For the MVP's and Microsoft guys and anybody else About 7
Kaja
I have heard so many things about the upcoming release of Windows 7 on Oct
22nd from Microsoft and others.
The way I understand it Windows Photo Gallery and Windows Live Photo
Gallery, which I love are excluded in 7. You have to buy an "ultimate
upgrade", so correct me if I am wrong, I am a novice. A redesigned taskbar
does not do too much for me.
Now according to Microsoft, 7 Will make make my computer "more responsive"
and what if I have little space on the hard drive, is not that a factor? Will
it cut down on processes and if I use the same computer and do no, the
increase in performance or responsiseveness as MS says? I don't plan to add
any additional RAM or a faster or better CPU chip, how is this possible? So
many are on a limited budget and are the compatibilty issues fully resolved?
I would love any feedback so I can learn.
Thanks
Kaja
Peter Foldes
Microsoft has established an excellent special web-based Windows 7 Beta Forum you
can access here:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/category/w7itpro/
Please repost your inquiry in the "Windows 7 Installation, Setup, and Deployment"
forum:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproinstall/threads/
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You'll be able to install Windows Live Photo Gallery and any other Windows
Live Essentials crapware you want at no-charge.
Daave
> Now according to Microsoft, 7 Will make make my computer "more
> responsive"
More responsive than if it had XP or more responsive than if it had XP?
:-)
peter
Like every other operating system W7 has some minimum requirements
We don’t know if your system even comes close to those requirements since
you
did not post your system specs.I can only tell you that I am running XP on
one HD
and W7 on another with an Intel Core2Duo 2.6 processsor and 2 GB of Ram.
I play a few Games,Record some music and Movies.lots of Office spreadsheets
and Word work
as well as the usual Internet stuff.
The W7 OS starts quicker and performs slightly faster in most if not all
applications that
I run. It does use less resources than XP as my free memory is slightly
higher.
I also run another System with Vista and between the 2 I prefer W7...
The amount of free space on a HD affects every OS...if you feel its getting
"tight"
you either need to clean up some space or buy a larger HD...
I assume they have achieved this by cleaning up their codeing, improving
their drivers
and creating better cooperation between CPU and OS.
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Daave
Oops! Try *this*:
More responsive than if it had XP or more responsive than if it had
Vista? LOL
BillW50
peter typed on Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:31:04 -0600:
> Someone already gave you the address of W7 groups. Like every other
> operating system W7 has some minimum requirements We don't know if
> your system even comes close to those requirements since you did not
> post your system specs.I can only tell you that I am running XP on one
> HD and W7 on another with an Intel Core2Duo 2.6 processsor and 2 GB of
>
> The W7 OS starts quicker and performs slightly faster in most if not
> all applications that I run. It does use less resources than XP as my
> free memory is slightly higher. I also run another System with Vista
> and between the 2 I prefer W7... The amount of free space on a HD
> affects every OS...if you feel its getting "tight" you either need to
> clean up some space or buy a larger HD... I assume they have achieved
> this by cleaning up their codeing, improving their drivers and
> creating better cooperation between CPU and OS.
>
> peter
I have the opposite experience. As I have Windows 7 on one EeePC with a
Celeron 900 and a Gateway MX6124 with a Celeron 1.5GHz. Both have 2GB of
RAM. And doing nothing, the CPU never drops below 20% usage. And
everything I run is very much slower than the same machine running XP
Home or Pro (which XP shows 0% usage if I am doing nothing). And XP runs
100% of the software I want to run while Windows 7 only runs about 90%.
So I am not sure what Microsoft is pulling, but I for one don't like it.
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Kaja
Thank you for your reply. The tough economy hit everyone I think.
Pocketbooks are tight. I know that I really do not matter to a huge
corporation like Microsoft or to yourself. I am just one consumer, and as a
consumer I have choices when I buy and I spend money and tell others of my
experience, so I do matter.
Now my question was to MS and you being an MVP are somehow affiliated with
Microsoft. So I think the bottom line is money. Microsoft spends a huge
amount on advertising to knock off Google, and I am sure spent money creating
and developing the new OS Windows 7.
I am sure Microsoft wants the consumer to buy Windows 7, preferrably on Oct
22nd when it comes out for what I understand is around a price tag of $119
never mind if I use XP Or Vista. Microsoft wants the same thing they want the
consumers money. So if they want this, then they need to convince the
consumer to spend the money. They need to convince us that 7 is better.
So I ask, and from a Microsoft affiliate and I get a curt answer and I ask
about two programs that are Windows programs, Microsoft programs and you say
they are "crapware". You put down your own company. Myself I will save my
money for something else than buying an upgrade to 7. If Microsoft is
displeased they should try harder to woo potential consumers.
Best Regards,
Kaja
Peter Foldes
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No one from Microsoft monitors this newsgroup. We're all of us volunteers,
Kaja.
> You put down your own company.
MVPs neither work for nor represent Microsoft
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs
MVPs tend to be the most critical (pro & con) of all Microsoft customers,
despite Marketing's efforts to have us seen as <spit> Evangelists and
corporate toadies.
> ...So I think the bottom line is money.
Of course it is: Like all for-profit corporations, Microsoft's first
responsibility is to its shareholders, not its customers.
> I am sure Microsoft wants the consumer to buy Windows 7
See previous answer. WinXP SP3 entered Extended Support on 12 April 2009.
Most WinXP SP3 users will continue to receive critial security updates
through 12 April 2014 but that's all. I suspect most WinXP users will stick
with the OS for many more years, especially given the recent and ongoing
economic meltdown.
> ...If Microsoft is
> displeased they should try harder to woo potential consumers.
Couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, most potential customers these
days aren't very discrimating consumers IMHO and tend to be enticed by
flashy adverts.
Bruce Hagen
that are die-hard MS advocates. We are /only/ here to help the users, and
feel the same frustrations.
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Mint
> <Sheesh> An MVP gets little more than a pat on the back and I don't know any
> that are die-hard MS advocates. We are /only/ here to help the users, and
> feel the same frustrations.
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> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
I wouldn't take it personal.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.
A lot of people spend a lot of time looking for the negative things in
life.
Have a good week,
Andy
ANONYMOUS
What else were you expecting? Were you expecting somebody to say what a
wonderful work you are doing even if it is of no help to majority of MS
customers?
Well, if you think you are not getting the respect you deserve then
clearly you know what you can do. Right?
Bruce Hagen
From the OP:
<QP>
Now my question was to MS and you being an MVP are somehow affiliated with
Microsoft.
And:
So I ask, and from a Microsoft affiliate and I get a curt answer and I ask
about two programs that are Windows programs, Microsoft programs and you say
they are "crapware". You put down your own company.
</QP>
I /never/ expect anything from the posters.
I am not affiliated with MS in any sense that I am an advocate for them.
I did not make the statement, but some MS programs are, IMO, crapware.
I, (we), are not putting down our own company. It isn't /our/ company, and
(we), are here to help the user, not Microsoft.
Bite me!
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You misspelled Bite. According to MS, it should be spelled Byte.
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BillW50
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Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
> If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
> They do have choices.
Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could buy
Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before July
11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I know much
about it and have regrets. <sigh>
Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting Windows 7
most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine, we will have
little choice, eh?
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M
> In
> news:82df215c-a9a1-42fd...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com,
> Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
>> If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
>> They do have choices.
>
> Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could buy
> Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before July
> 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I know much
> about it and have regrets. <sigh>
>
> Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting Windows 7
> most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine, we will have
> little choice, eh?
>
Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.
M
BillW50
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:
So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer hardware
when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?
Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like that?
Bob I
BillW50 wrote:
If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system you
wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.
BillW50
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:
And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers that
they are selling now Bob?
Bob I
Computer <> hardware. But just for you.
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/winxp_inspn?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&redirect=1
BillW50
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:42 -0500:
And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?
And for those of us that has bad luck with Dell computers and won't buy
any more of them... well we are just screwed now, eh Bob?
Ken Blake, MVP
> And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
> that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
> get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
> you are saying, Bob?
I don't know what Bob was saying, but here's my view:
Almost certainly, those people who want to buy copies of Windows XP
will be able to do so for a good many years--certainly used, and even
some new ones.
As an experiment, I just went to Amazon.com to see whether they still
offered Windows 95 for sale. They had new copies from two sources and
used copies from six. I didn't bother to also check eBay, but they
probably have even more used copies for sale.
Why did I look for Windows 95? Because Windows 98 came out on July 25,
1998. If you can buy Windows 95 over 11 years after it became
obsolescent, almost certainly you'll be able to do the same with any
other version of Windows, including Windows XP.
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Bob I
BillW50 wrote:
I think someone needs to do a reality check, you can't buy PCs with
Windows 2000, NT4, Win 3.11 either.
M
> In news:h9ij5f$j3p$1...@aioe.org,
> M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In
>>> news:82df215c-a9a1-42fd...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com,
>>> Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
>>>> If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
>>>> They do have choices.
>>> Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
>>> buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before
>>> July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I
>>> know much about it and have regrets. <sigh>
>>>
>>> Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
>>> Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
>>> we will have little choice, eh?
>>>
>> Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
>> computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.
>>
>> M
>
> So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer hardware
> when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?
False, they still do. I just installed XP on a computer that was bought
three days ago. It came with an XP friendly ASUS mother board CD with
the drivers for the chipset, on board audio and NIC. The nVidia 9800 GT
had XP drivers at the nVidia site. You can get a copy of XP from NewEgg.
> Linux? Been there, done that.
How long ago?
> Completely useless to me. Can't even
> multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
> applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
> masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like that?
I have no problem with it. I was not suggesting you use Linux, btw.
M
M
Not the point. You need drivers for the motherboard. If you have a
dedicated graphics card, you need them for the card too, as well as if
you have a dedicated sound card. If all is on board, you only need the
CD that comes with the motherboard. Hardware makers know the popularity
of XP, trust me. Computer makers like Dell and HP are totally irrelevant.
M
BillW50
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:51:15 -0500:
Yes Bob, try a reality check. Corporate and many users have rejected
Vista and I predict this will be true of Windows 7 as well. So that
leaves many with just Windows XP.
BillW50
Ken Blake, MVP typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:50:05 -0700:
Well finding older version of Windows isn't much of a problem. The
problem comes in that drivers for newer hardware usually doesn't exists.
I personally won't mind running Windows v3.1 and Windows 95 once again
(mainly for fun) on a modern machine. As I bet they would run lighting
fast. But drivers doesn't exists for newer hardware.
BillW50
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:02:33 +0200:
Using Intel CPU and chipset?
>> Linux? Been there, done that.
>
> How long ago?
For the past year with Xandros, Ubuntu, and Puppy. Drivers for devices
are often missing, applications are rare, multimedia performance is
poor, etc. And OpenOffice can't even convert text to sentence or title
case. It's completely useless since I need to fire up a real machine to
get a simple job done.
>> Completely useless to me. Can't even multitask or play media very
>> well. And it only has one hundredth the applications that Windows
>> does. And anybody who likes Linux is a masochist IMHO. As why would
>> they want to torture themselves like that?
>
> I have no problem with it. I was not suggesting you use Linux, btw.
Cool and nice looking it is. But I need an OS that does something more
than just sitting there and looking pretty. <wink>
Ken Blake, MVP
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:26:28 -0500, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:
> In news:04ppb5dls1rdlmefb...@4ax.com,
> Ken Blake, MVP typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:50:05 -0700:
> > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:24:55 -0500, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:
> >
> >> And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
> >> that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they
> >> can get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is
> >> what you are saying, Bob?
> >
> > I don't know what Bob was saying, but here's my view:
> >
> > Almost certainly, those people who want to buy copies of Windows XP
> > will be able to do so for a good many years--certainly used, and even
> > some new ones.
> >
> > As an experiment, I just went to Amazon.com to see whether they still
> > offered Windows 95 for sale. They had new copies from two sources and
> > used copies from six. I didn't bother to also check eBay, but they
> > probably have even more used copies for sale.
> >
> > Why did I look for Windows 95? Because Windows 98 came out on July 25,
> > 1998. If you can buy Windows 95 over 11 years after it became
> > obsolescent, almost certainly you'll be able to do the same with any
> > other version of Windows, including Windows XP.
>
> Well finding older version of Windows isn't much of a problem. The
> problem comes in that drivers for newer hardware usually doesn't exists.
Well that's often true (especially for laptops), but it's a different
statement from the one I replied to.
M
Yep. I've done it recently with a new AMD machine too.
M
Bob I
BillW50 wrote:
In reality, much of Vista's features were more geared to the home
consumer, and didn't give the corporate user any real benefit to move
off of XP. Also I think you are wrong about the acceptance of Windows 7.
But if there is a market, the drivers will be created. If you MUST have
Windows XP then you will need to plan ahead. The rest of the world is
moving on.
BillW50
Bob I typed on 25 Sep 2009 12:35:42 -0500:
> In reality, much of Vista's features were more geared to the home
> consumer, and didn't give the corporate user any real benefit to move
> off of XP. Also I think you are wrong about the acceptance of Windows
> 7. But if there is a market, the drivers will be created. If you MUST
> have Windows XP then you will need to plan ahead. The rest of the
> world is moving on.
Really Bob? So far most of the world is with me. Most Windows users are
using Windows XP than any other Windows version. And there aren't any
signs that this is going to be changing anytime soon. So if you wish to
leave most of us and enter into the abyss of no return. well that is up
to you isn't it?
Windows XP has been the longest lasting and supported OS MS has ever
created. And developers have yet the memory limits of XP. And every new
software and device that is coming out has XP support behind it. Neither
Vista nor Windows 7 has this kind of support yet. And they may never
have.
Some people have often wondered how long can Microsoft continue their 28
year reign for OS domination? I personally believe huge, bloated, and
slow OS like Vista and Windows 7 is a turn for the worst. So we might be
seeing a whole new and different world in the future. One that Microsoft
no longer dominates. Unless they focus back on XP once again.
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> Really Bob? So far most of the world is with me. Most Windows users
> are using Windows XP than any other Windows version. And there
> aren't any signs that this is going to be changing anytime soon. So
> if you wish to leave most of us and enter into the abyss of no
> return. well that is up to you isn't it?
>
> Windows XP has been the longest lasting and supported OS MS has ever
> created. And developers have yet the memory limits of XP. And every
> new software and device that is coming out has XP support behind
> it. Neither Vista nor Windows 7 has this kind of support yet. And
> they may never have.
>
> Some people have often wondered how long can Microsoft continue
> their 28 year reign for OS domination? I personally believe huge,
> bloated, and slow OS like Vista and Windows 7 is a turn for the
> worst. So we might be seeing a whole new and different world in the
> future. One that Microsoft no longer dominates. Unless they focus
> back on XP once again.
In the end - it's all opinions.
Where I work, we did not push Vista until SP2 came out - because in our
estimation, it wasn't as ready as we like. As for Windows 7 - since we
obtained Windows 7 - we have been pushing it out.
For me - I would say it is the *next* Windows XP. Yep - Windows XP is a
great OS, although it had to develop into that. I see Windows 7 being that.
Windows Vista I treated like Windows ME. ;-)
All anyone can say for certain here is what they think, and only what they
think right at that moment. ;-) Everything else is speculation when it
comes to the future.
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Shenan Stanley wrote:
> In the end - it's all opinions.
>
> Where I work, we did not push Vista until SP2 came out - because in
> our estimation, it wasn't as ready as we like. As for Windows 7 -
> since we obtained Windows 7 - we have been pushing it out.
>
> For me - I would say it is the *next* Windows XP. Yep - Windows XP
> is a great OS, although it had to develop into that. I see Windows
> 7 being that. Windows Vista I treated like Windows ME. ;-)
>
> All anyone can say for certain here is what they think, and only
> what they think right at that moment. ;-) Everything else is
> speculation when it comes to the future.
Thought I should clarify...
Right now the majority of the systems I manage at work are 'Windows XP'.
There are a FEW 'Windows Vista' machines - but so few that the 'Windows 7'
workstations now number 3 times the number of 'Windows Vista' workstations.
So I would (roughly) say 80% 'Windows XP' (mostly because of the specs of
the hardware), 15% 'Windows 7' and 5% 'Windows Vista'.
Any new machines that are ordered get 'Windows 7' installed on them. ;-)
Terry R.
The date and time was Friday, September 25, 2009 1:57:54 PM, and on a
whim, Shenan Stanley pounded out on the keyboard:
Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering what corp. was installing
Vista! None of the networks I admin have Vista at all. If any get new
workstations/laptops, we either load XP or it's preinstalled.
Even with Win7 almost here, none of the existing workstations will get
it. So it means that only new machines would be considered for a new OS.
And in this economy, none of my customers are allocating much of their
budget for that type of expense. It's "Use it up, wear it out, make
due, or do without."
Terry R.
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