Concerns about defrag's effect on hd
Laughingstar~*
remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my
computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own
backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan.
That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using
26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean
re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous.
nass
"Laughingstar~*" wrote:
Try to configure the number of day you ant onecare to take care of the
Defrag, by default may be OneCare set to defrag each time the scan performed!.
I do agree with you the Defrag will wear out the HDD <G>.
HTH.
nass
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you might find some answers
here:
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relate, please?
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Shenan Stanley
> I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare.
> However, OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready
> to demand my $ back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have
> not downloaded IE7, and do my own backups monthly. Additionally,
> it defrags every time it performs a scan. That is not good for my
> HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using 26% of my main
> drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean
> re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting
> ridiculous.
db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. wrote
> you might find some answers
> here:
>
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm
Laughingstar~* wrote:
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does that
> relate, please?
Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare...
http://qna.live.com/
And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare...
http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2
Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers from
people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - as they hang
out in the OneCare related forums/areas.
Why did you have to do a clean install twice? That sounds like one of two
things...
Hardware issues (defective hard drive, controller, cabling, etc come to mind
in this case...) or user error/user assumption. VERY seldom is it necessary
to perform a clean installation of Windows XP. In most cases, it may be
easier - might even be faster - but seldom is it necessary.
Why do you think that a defrag is *not* good for your hard disk drive?
Because it is being accessed/utilized more? After being around computers
that run FULL BLAST 24/7 - accessing GBs upon GBs of data every hour - I
would call that 'urban myth'...
http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=180776
Good Luck!
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MS-MVP
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Gerry
that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! Windows
Live OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in the last
few days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It could be
renamed Windows Live NannyCare!
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Regards.
Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Shenan Stanley wrote:
>
> Laughingstar~* wrote:
>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does
>> that relate, please?
>
> Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare...
> http://qna.live.com/
>
> And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare...
> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2
>
> Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers
> from people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively -
> as they hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas.
>
>
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http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1257&SiteID=2
I used one care during the trial period and
never encountered any difficulties with
it.
However, I chose to use the Live Free
Version instead of the subscription
version after the trial was over.
The Live version of One Care does
have customer scanning options
that permit disabling the defrag option.
No doubt that their will be updates
available for the subscribers when
they are made available.
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Phisherman
Not good. I'd dump OneCare. It is a good idea to do a thorough scan
and defrag, maybe once or twice a month for average PC use. There is
no reason at this time to "upgrade" to IE7 (this may even be
risky)--best to wait 6-12 months. Microsoft takes a long time to
patch security holes, as there is no profit in doing so.
Uncle Grumpy
>I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year.
>This is getting ridiculous.
I've had WinXP on my system since it was first released in October of
2001.
NEVER have I had to reinstall it.
NEVER.
Why have you had to reinstall it?
Laughingstar~*
corrupted--as identified and concurred with by Level I microsoft
technologists, and their managers. HP (computer mfgr) Business Computers
support was in on this from last Thursday, on the phone, ready and willing
to help any time I needed them. What a pleasant experience. The first Level
I MS tech they assisgned to my case started out helping me on the phone (I'm
blind) and told me what to back-up on my C drive (I do not segment my HD). I
used my Braille Writer to write down the Folders and backed them up on
SanDisks, like an idiot...had to format them b/c last month's back-up was on
them. Someone else heard his instuctions on my speaker phone and concurred
with my list.
After about 30 minutes, the tech put me on hold, then disconnected with
me...never called me back, and I kept emailing him w/o any reply--he was in
India (lovely!). This has been going on like this since June 18th. Alas, a
woman tech phoned to tell me the name of the tech who would call me the next
day--this time a "real Level I" tech. He was great. Did a wonderful job, and
followed through w everything he said was needed, and he'd do. By that time,
my adaptive programs were not operational, b/c they had to be re-loaded.
All's well now, but I'm w/o my adpative screen reader, Zoom Text, b/c it
gives me a "DCM error" message. The ZoomText techs are working on it in Ai
Squared. A couple of weeks ago, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` herein helped me quite a
long time. I didn't want to do anything with my registry, w/o expertise
'over my shoulder,' and after he helped me my windows began to appear like
slow-moving slide shows, not closing, staying open, grayed out, etc. That's
when I really hit hard on microsoft to answer my pleas from last June.
Everyone has told me (in Microsoft) not to defrag the HD often..."it not
good for your hard disk..." Today, I found out that in OneCare the option is
to schedule the Protection Plus, which includes defragging regardless--no
option--and its not needed "more than quarterly..." That's stupid
programming, imho. When I run my utilities, I don't defrag unless its
needed. Manually, its never been necessary. Thank you...so far all's well,
except for my adaptive software, and missing all my OE data in the 'not
backed up.'
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Laughingstar~*
big bugs. I'm only afraid its no better than Ad-Aware or others that are
anon. grayware, even though they do their job, if they are well observed in
what they 'remove."
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Laughingstar~*
what started the weird behaviour on my computer. I uninstalled it, and some
of the problems settled down. I also removed Adobe and tried as hard as was
sensible to remove WMP v. 11--I don't need a retail store on my system and
not one going out to the Internet all the time...for the life of me I could
not find the "update" file in v.11, so tried to go back to v. 10, but the
window reported it wasn't possible with XP Pro. Well I'm now running v. 9
with satisfaction since the clean install. IOW, I wanted to minimize the
programs updating w/o my knowledge. I was using Zone Alarm and WF both, but
databaseben advised against both, so I uninstalled Zone.
Now, back to ad-aware, spybot s&d, and AVG??? They were good to me, as long
as I
"watched" what was removed before I deleted things. My screen reader is
excellent. On computers since 1978 and no Virus or Trojans, yet. But, I'm
very cautious.
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Laughingstar~*
The only thing I can think of is that I use adaptive programs (for the
blind), dictate my input, and it reads everything to me. As a writer, that
is imperative. My HP Business Desktop will be two years old in October, and
on a 4 yr in-home warranty. They're on "it" everytime I contact them about
anything.
We did go through several power supplies in the first six months...my system
would merely shut down on me w/o any notice. The first replacement was
"bad," and the tech was aware that some parts returned that don't appear to
be malfunctioning aren't detected (weren't part of the original problem), so
install a new one, and it went like magic. Perhaps its the large programs.
Also, I've learned not to put any of them on StartUp. That helps a great
deal.
thank you, very much.
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first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have mentioned it on the
microsoft.ngs.
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after IE 7 was installed and uninstalled. All's well. Won't rock the cradle.
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to communicate with them and they
with you.
there are never any gaurantees that
any piece of software will work on
the millions of pc configurations
eventhough windows seems
to be the common denominator.
and it may be that your particular
system will be better off with out
it eventhough there are systems
that function perfectly with the
software.
I absolutely never encountered any
difficulties with that software. However,
I am not a fan of subscriptions or renting
of software so I use the Live version approx.
once every couple of weeks.
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> Great news. I've talked to MS in Ca about this program, and they know
> it has big bugs. I'm only afraid its no better than Ad-Aware or others
> that are anon. grayware, even though they do their job, if they are
> well observed in what they 'remove."
>
> " db īŊ`·.. ><)))š>` .. ."
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>> http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1183028&SiteID=2
>>
>> http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1257&SiteID=2
>>
>> I used one care during the trial period and
>> never encountered any difficulties with
>> it.
>>
>> However, I chose to use the Live Free
>> Version instead of the subscription
>> version after the trial was over.
>>
>> The Live version of One Care does
>> have customer scanning options
>> that permit disabling the defrag option.
>>
>> No doubt that their will be updates
>> available for the subscribers when
>> they are made available.
>>
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Ken Blake, MVP
<le_sentier_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP in the
> first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have mentioned it on the
> microsoft.ngs.
My guess is that you know six people who did clean reinstallations of
Windows XP in the first year they had it. I doubt very much that they
"had to."
Unfortunately, many people do clean reinstallations as a substitute
for doing even the most minor troubleshooting. They've learned this
from the technical support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their
solution to almost any problem they don't quickly know the answer to
is "reformat and reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It
gets you off the phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't
require them to do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them
obviously don't possess in any great degree).
I've seen at least a couple of people here in the newsgroups who "had
to" reinstall Windows because their Task Bar had "inexplicably" moved
to the top of their screen.
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Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Shenan Stanley
To see the thread in its entiritey:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/60da5cfe3fea1cda/15f1b34902b72884?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#15f1b34902b72884
Laughingstar~* wrote:
> BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP
> in the first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have
> mentioned it on the microsoft.ngs.
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> My guess is that you know six people who did clean reinstallations
> of Windows XP in the first year they had it. I doubt very much that
> they "had to."
>
> Unfortunately, many people do clean reinstallations as a substitute
> for doing even the most minor troubleshooting. They've learned this
> from the technical support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their
> solution to almost any problem they don't quickly know the answer to
> is "reformat and reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them.
> It gets you off the phone quickly, it almost always works, and it
> doesn't require them to do any real troubleshooting (a skill that
> most of them obviously don't possess in any great degree).
>
> I've seen at least a couple of people here in the newsgroups who
> "had to" reinstall Windows because their Task Bar had
> "inexplicably" moved to the top of their screen.
Agreed.
As I said earlier...
Clean installs are rarely *actually* necessary...
Hardware issues (defective hard drives come to mind...) might create the
need for a clean install otherwise it is likely user error/user assumption.
Even the former is more of a lack of knowledge/proper maintenance than
an actual reason to perform a clean install - as proper backups/imaging
as well as proper computer maintenance would have likely warned of the
issue(s) and allowed the user to repair the hardware and restore their
system without a clean installation.
VERY seldom is it necessary to perform a clean installation of Windows
XP. In some cases, it may be easier - might even be faster - but seldom
is it necessary. Anyone who tells you differently is practicing the
"otherwise' found in the previous paragraph.
Laughingstar~*
working with MS Support since last June, and some changes made in t he
interim made things worse. I believe what you said though. I had to remind
the "Level I" and "Level II" techs many times of things that should or
should not be done...each time I was "correct." The last bloke knew what he
was doing, but had to start and stop a few times, but that was
understandable. All including their Manager !!! saw areas to prove the XP
Pro had corrupted. I have NO idea how, but there's not much one can do when
open windows are going by like a faded out slide show, and will not close.
;0-
thanks though. I understand your rationale. BTW the first time was in the
first 9 months (this business desktop will be 2 in October).
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Shenan Stanley
> I don't get it, and don't open links randomly -- thank y ou.
You don't get what?
Ah - you are a top-reader (much less a top poster)...
Scroll down the entire response (not attached here). The link I put at the
top is the Google Groups archive of this conversation
(thread/posting/whatever you want to call it.)
If you look - I snipped much of the conversation that would have nothing to
do with my response. I put a linkto the entire thread for anyone in the
future who came across it and wondered what started my response.
I left the parts that I felt should remain and put my response at the
bottom... You'd have to actually scroll down to the bottom to read the
response I put. I will respond again with NO quoted text so you won't miss
it in a moment...
For you --> I left only one line above so you would not have to scroll much
in this response...
For you I will also explain how to get to the link I posted previously on
your own - so it is not some random link as you called it...
You know what Google is - I suppose - go there.
(For everyone else: http://www.google.com/ )
When you get to the main page (Google) look towards the upper left of the
page contents. There you will see links like:
Web Images Video News Maps Gmail more
Click on "More" and choose "Groups"...
You are now on Google Groups.
Google Groups contains the world's most comprehensive archive of Usenet
postings, dating back to 1981. Google Groups eliminates the need for a
newsreader and lets you search this archive the same way you'd search on the
web. You can also use Google Groups to post your own comments to an existing
Usenet newsgroup.
Now that you are on Google Groups - you can search and find your posting,
answers to previous posting, etc. In this case I will demonstrate its use
by finding THIS conversation - which is the liknk I posted before that you
'feared'...
First - I choose to do an "Advanced Groups Search" --> which is a link to
the right of the "Google Groups" search input area.
In the new page - I decided to enter two pieces of information to narrow my
search...
Group: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Author: Laughingstar
Everything else I left DEFAULT... And I clicked on the "Google Search"
(*NOT* "Lookup Message").
The first returned result is:
*****
Concerns about defrag's effect on hd
Group: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Laughingstar~* le_sentier_battunospam...@yahoo.com
No, I had to do the clean install only once, b/c the XP Pro became
corrupted--as identified and concurred with by Level I microsoft
technologists, and their managers. HP (computer mfgr) Business
Computers support was in on this ...
Aug 15 by Laughingstar~* - 24 messages - 8 authors
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Which links to:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/60da5cfe3fea1cda/e019b1ad15709344?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#e019b1ad15709344
Which is slightly different than the link I sent before because the search
that returned the results was not EXACTLY the way I did it before.
However - it still links to the entire conversation - which this response
will soon be a part of.
Shenan Stanley
> I don't get it, and don't open links randomly -- thank you.
Assuming you didn't *get* the last response because you did not understand
my response was at the bottom of the ordered conversation... Here is the
response... (I explained the 'link you feared' in my other response.)
> As I said earlier...
>
> Clean installs are rarely *actually* necessary...
>
> Hardware issues (defective hard drives come to mind...) might
> create the need for a clean install otherwise it is likely user
> error/user assumption.
> Even the former is more of a lack of knowledge/proper maintenance
> than an actual reason to perform a clean install - as proper
> backups/imaging as well as proper computer maintenance would have
> likely warned of the issue(s) and allowed the user to repair the
> hardware and restore their system without a clean installation.
>
> VERY seldom is it necessary to perform a clean installation of
> Windows XP. In some cases, it may be easier - might even be
> faster - but seldom is it necessary. Anyone who tells you
> differently is practicing the "otherwise' found in the previous
> paragraph.
So - what part of that - if I am incorrectly assuming you did not scroll
down to read - do you 'not get'?