Is WinXP Sp3 update necessary?
Roy
I had been planning to install this version but due to problem with
some of my acquiantances using this update I had delayed it.
NOw I would like to ask, how important is this SP3 ?
I had already SP2 in my WinXP run PC and never had problems...
What are the ramifications of not updating my WinXP to the SP3
versions?
Would my drivers and other things conk out?
Somebody said to me that the SP3 is for improved windows security? Who
will be the ultimate beneficiary, is it the user or the Microsoft?
Supposing if your PC is installed with an iron clad antimalware
protection then what is the point of improved security in the presence
of Sp3.
I am keenly interested to your points on this matter.
TIA
Roy
philo
Not only does SP3 give better security...I also noticed improved
performance...so I'd say : go for it...
but of course, back up your system first...just in case there is a problem.
Go off line and turn your virus checker off when performing the update
Shenan Stanley
"... due to problem with some of my acquiantances using this update I had
delayed it ..."
What "problem" is there with it?
If they delayed it - I would like to see their point-to-point reasons at
this time. I'd like to compare it with the information I am about to give
you.
In the thousands upon thousands of installs thus far - I have not seen a
problem with SP3 that was *caused* by SP3 - but rather *exposed* by SP3.
Short:
With proper preparation - you are unlikely to have problems - and if you
have been performing proper maintenance all along - even if you do - you are
only out a short period of time (restoring from the backup/drive image you
made wisely before diving in...)
A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*...
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx
Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
Suggestions:
1) Download the full SP3 installation file and/or burn the ISO download to
CD.
2) Ensure (as well as plausible) you have no spyware/malware by doing a full
scan with SuperAntiSpyware and MalwareBytes.
3) CHKDSK
4) Defragment
5) Ensure your hardware drivers are up to date (from the hardware
manufacturer's respective web pages.)
6) Reboot right before you try to install SP3.
7) Disconnect from the internet before installing (physically.)
8) Disable your antivirus and antispyware applications when you are about to
install SP3.
Some (if not all) of that is covered in the above links.
Long:
Like it or not - Windows XP SP3 is something that you probably should
install if...
- You are currently running Windows XP (32bit).
- You care about keeping your machine current and running its best.
- You wish to continue running Windows XP for some indeterminate time into
the future.
- You want to free support if you have any trouble installing it (SP3 that
is.)
Service Pack 3 is mostly all of the updates released after SP2 and until the
release of SP3. You may think to yourself that you have been keeping your
PC updated - so you probably have all those updates - fact is, you'd be
incorrect. You may have all the publically released ones, but SP3 contains
1179 previously released updates - guaranteed you do not have them all
installed without it. ;-)
Most of the issues people have had with SP3 have to do with their particular
configuration or a problem caused by a third party change/mis-configuration
on their system - and almost all have a relatively simple fix.
Before starting, know where you can get help:
A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*
until April 2009...
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
Other than "Automatic Updates" or the Windows Update web page - how can you
get SP3?
Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en
Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for
IT Professionals and Developers (works just as well for you.)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en
Do a little reading - to ensure you are ready...
WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx
Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm
Key things to note:
Internet Explorer:
"If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of
Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall
Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta
version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP
SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3,
uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
"If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center
Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To
avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If
this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows
XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."
Did all that and have some issues you believe might be related to SP3?
Check these out:
It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing
SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair
installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for
that...
Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
installation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue...
Workarounds:
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
[NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool
that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing
[WinXP SP3]."
1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD.
2. After booting into Safe Mode:
Start --> Run --> (copy/paste)
sc config intelppm start= disabled
--> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode.
Other references include:
1. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790
2.http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
3. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/
4.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
5. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to
Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a
non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372
Some people have gotten an "Access Denied" message when trying to install
SP3... I suggest going straight to the third method of this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377
Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like installing the
latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...
Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
planning. ;-)
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
db
the trouble.
the only improvement
is with networking and
remote assistance.
if however, you choose
to install sp3, first be sure
to disable "or" uninstall
your antivirals.
------------
keep in mind that after the
update, your system will be
sp3 and your sp2 windows cd
is no longer compatable
with your system.
so if in the future you
experience a major issue
with the o.s. and require
the cd to make repairs,
you will have to uninstall
sp3 via add/remove programs
or
you might want to have
a slipstreamed cd with
sp3 handy, which you
will need to make as
soon as possible after
updating your system
to sp3.
--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
"share the nirvana" - dbZen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
"Roy" <royb...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bcc21dd2-cf69-4247...@y38g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Roy
Suggestions:
1) Download the full SP3 installation file and/or burn the ISO
download to
CD.
2) Ensure (as well as plausible) you have no spyware/malware by doing
a full
scan with SuperAntiSpyware and MalwareBytes.
3) CHKDSK
4) Defragment
5) Ensure your hardware drivers are up to date (from the hardware
manufacturer's respective web pages.)
6) Reboot right before you try to install SP3.
7) Disconnect from the internet before installing (physically.)
8) Disable your antivirus and antispyware applications when you are
about to
install SP3.
>
> Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like installing the
> latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...
>
> Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
> planning. ;-)
>
> --
>
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Thanks for that detailed explanation, but how about if my windows
update continue to egg me with the SP3 update and the file size
displayed just ranges from 60-350 mb IIRC, Would this mean that what
will be installed if I follow the windows update prodding is what is
necessary and some parts of SP3 is already installed in my PC?
Is a clean install really better than the short cut instal via
windows update?
The amount of preparation needed for iSP3 installation might be
discouraging at some point, ....<grin>
Roy
> nah, sp3 is not worth
> the trouble.
>
> the only improvement
> is with networking and
> remote assistance.
>
Hmm Thanks ! that sounds like an honest to good ness answer...<grin>
I had been considering that also that is why I am delaying it until
its really necessary .
The complication that arise from the installation was the thing that
held me back
and indeed some of my acquintances really regretted why they did that
sp3 update so the
cautioned me also about doing it.
They had a perfectly running computers with only WinXPSP2 only to
become problematic when the SP3 was installed...
Daave
On Mar 14, 9:03 am, "db" <databaseben at hotmail> wrote:
>> nah, sp3 is not worth
>> the trouble.
>>
>> the only improvement
>> is with networking and
>> remote assistance.
>>
>
> Hmm Thanks ! that sounds like an honest to good ness answer...<grin>
You would be well advised to ignore db, who has a reputation of offering
poor advice. You would do much better to listen to a well-respected MVP
like Shenan, who is far more knowlegeable . Also keep in mind that if
you choose to install SP3 now, Microsoft is still offering *free*
support (but only until April, I believe). Furthermore, MS will stop
supporting SP2 in 2010, so you might as well do the prep work (not as
bad as it seems!) and install SP3 now. That way, in 2010, you can still
keep on installing the necessary security patches. And these patches
*are* important! Somone I know who was running an unpatched system
recently got infected with malware (Conficker, I believe) just by
*visiting* a compromised site -- she didn't even click on anything!
Two major problems with SP3 have been reported. However, with
preparation on your part, though, you won't (more than likley)
experince *any* problems whatsoever. Still, it is always wise to
image your hard drive before undertaking any major change like a
Service Pack upgrade.
Problem #1: On certain PCs that come with a factory-imaged hard
drive erroneously assuming the CPU is Intel rather than AMD (e.g.,
HPs), upgrading to SP3 without applying a particular patch first is
problematic. See this page for more information and for the fix:
(or http://tinyurl.com/6zs52d )
Problem #2: The installation can fail if there are devices connected to
the PC. Therefore, it is best to disconnect all perpipheral devices
(e.g., USB external hard drives, printers, etc.) and configure a Clean
Boot environment (because certain anti-malware programs that run in the
background can interfere with the upgrade). See:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
Make sure to download the standalone SP3 installer like Shenan advised!
(Or make your own SP3 CD from the .iso file available.)
Unknown
I have installed SP3 on a test PC without problems but on my
PC that I use for every day use. Below is most of what you
need to know.
Note: Service Pack 2 - Support/security updates end as of
July 13th, 2010. This is another reason to move install SP3.
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=7&y=11
Also if I where to install SP3 I would choose to download the
file and not use Automatic Updates.
Your PC must be at least SP1 or SP2 level as SP3 will not
install on XP Gold.
I would also create an "Image Backup" of my drive prior
to installing SP3 just in case you do have problems.
Don't have any Image Backup software:
Try "True Image" (has a 15 day trial version available)
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/
If you use Zone Alarm Firewall (Free or Paid) then update to
version 7.0.483.
Warning do not install ZA version 8.0.xxx as it currently has
problems.
Free unlimited installation and compatibility support
Note: Free SP3 support installed ends April 14,
(Via Email, Chat or Phone support)
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
Install SP3 in 'Clean Boot' mode:
How to configure Windows XP to start in a "clean boot" state
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
How to obtain the latest Windows XP service pack
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389
Where to download the SP3 installation file:
(File is large but will only install components that your PC requires)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5b33b5a8-5e76-401f-be08-1e1555d4f3d4&DisplayLang=en
Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&displaylang=en
Be sure to download and read the file titled 'Overview of Windows XP Service
Pack 3'
Note: "You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1
or SP2."
The hard disk space requirements for Windows XP Service Pack 3
Discusses the hard disk space requirements for installing
Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3)
"For a PC on which Windows XP is already installed"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311/en-us
Installing Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3)
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/cc164204.aspx
Release notes for the Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929/en-us
List of fixes that are included in Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/
Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
Recommends steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3.
Also includes troubleshooting information and error codes.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717/en-us
You cannot uninstall Internet Explorer 7 or Internet Explorer 8 Beta 1
after you install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950719
IE 8 Beta Warning - Windows XP Service Pack 3(SP3) users only:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/upgrading-to-internet-explorer-8-beta-2.aspx
Internet Explorer 8 Release Candidate 1 Warning (1/26/09)
Scroll down the blog page till you reach
"Windows XP Service Pack 3(SP3) users only"
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/01/26/upgrading-to-internet-explorer-8-release-candidate-1.aspx
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
Scroll down to the end of the article.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx
XP SP3: Post Installation Cleanup:
http://www.aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33827
How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of
Windows XP Service Pack 3:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718/en-us
ISO image - used to create install CD:
(You must have CD burning software that can use an ISO as source)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en
Availability of the .NET Framework 1.0 post-Service Pack 3 hotfix
Describes the .NET Framework 1.0 post-Service Pack 3 hotfix rollup package
for the Mscorwks.dll, Mscorsvr.dll, and Mscorlib.dll files.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896061/en-us
How to prevent SP3 from being installed on your PC
(Windows Service Pack Blocker Tool Kit)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D7C9A07A-5267-4BD6-87D0-E2A72099EDB7&displaylang=en
(Works for 1 year from date SP3 was released) also read:
How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525/en=us
(See the section titled: Turn Off Automatic Updates)
Then each time you go to the Windows Update site choose
the "Custom" option. You can now pick and choose what
updates you want to install.
Just some of the SP3 Issues:
(see the next to last entry in this list for more issues)
You are not offered the option to install Windows XP Service Pack 3
when you use the Windows Update Web site or Automatic Updates
(5 specific reasons documented and a troubleshooting guide)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/955307
Windows XP SP3 Issues and Fixes Continued:
(Note: there is a section of this article devoted to System Restore points,
read it!)
http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2008/05/25/pitstop-news-flash-sp3-still-no-go-flash-xp-sp3-still-not-ready-news-flash-do-not-install/
After you create Windows XP Service Pack 3 slipstreamed media, your product
key is not accepted
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950722/en-us
XP SP3: Registry Corruption & Norton SymProtect:
Symptoms: After installing XP Service Pack 3,
Device Manger is empty; the Network Connections panel is empty;
there are no Network connection icons; and/or there is problematic
or no Wireless or Ethernet connectivity;
the Safely Remove Hardware icon no longer appears;
USB devices no longer function, including mice.
You may not have all of these symptoms, only some of them.
Solution: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33522&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
The Address toolbar no longer appears on the taskbar after you install
Windows XP Service Pack 3
Describes why the Address toolbar is no longer visible on the taskbar
A workaround (this is not a fix - the address bar is gone) for this missing
functionality is provided.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951448/en-us
MuvEnum Address Bar:
A replacement for the missing address bar after installing SP3:
http://www.muvenum.com/products/freeware/
Restore the Address Bar in Windows XP SP3:
http://blog.ryantadams.com/2008/05/08/restore-the-address-bar-in-windows-xp-sp3/
Note: I have not tried this as I'm still at SP2, so run at your own risk!
SP3-based computer loses wireless connectivity when it resumes from standby
or from hibernation,
or you receive an error message when you try to put the computer in standby
or in hibernation
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951447/en-us
Device Manager and Network Connections may be blank after you install
Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953791/en-us
Device Manager may not show any devices and Network Connections may not
show any network connections after you install Windows XP Service Pack 3.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953979/en-us
Changes to the 802.1X-based wired network connection settings in Windows XP
Service Pack 3
Describes that the AuthMode and SupplicantMode registry entries are no
longer used in
Windows XP Service Pack 3 for a 802.1X-based wired network connection.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949984/en-us
You cannot connect to an 802.1X wired network after you upgrade to Windows
XP Service Pack 3
Problem in which you cannot connect to an 802.1X wired network.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953650/en-us
If you have hotfix 885222 applied on a Windows XP SP2-based computer,
and then you upgrade to Windows XP SP3,
an installed 1394b FireWire device reverts from S400 speed to S100
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/955408
Error messages when you try to install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
"Service Pack 3 installation did not complete" and "An internal error
occurred"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949384/en-us
Windows XP Service Pack 3 installation fails with an error message, and the
following error is logged in the service pack installation log: "8007F0F4 -
STATUS_PREREQUISITE_FAILED"
You must take one of the actions that are described in this article to
resolve this issue.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949388/en-us
The Authentication tab is missing in the properties dialog box of the wired
network adapter after you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950725/en-us
Error message when you try to install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
"Access is denied" or "Service Pack installation did not complete"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377/en-us
You do not have enough free disk space on %SystemDrive% to install Service
Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949385
Error message when you try to install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
"Setup has detected that another update is in progress Please complete that
installation or removal and try again"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949381/en-us
Error message during every restart after you install Windows XP Service Pack
3:
"The procedure entry point apsSearchInterface could not be located in the
dynamic link library wlanapi.dll"
Describes a situation in which you receive an error message every time that
you restart a Windows XP-based computer.
Specifically, this problem occurs after you install Windows XP Service Pack
3 (SP3).
A resolution is provided: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950720/en-us
Error message after you upgrade a computer that uses a processor other than
an Intel processor to Windows XP Service Pack 2 or to Windows XP Service
Pack 3: "STOP: 0x0000007E"
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=953356
This is the patch to fix the above issue "For non-Intel processors"
***Must be applied before installing SP3***
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=230796A7-54D6-4C31-BDA3-EFD2F7E87A8C&displaylang=en
You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to Windows
XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372
From: Jesper Johansson's blog
Does your AMD-based computer boot after installing XP SP3?
(Affects AMD-based computers with OEM images, primarily HP Desktops)
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
A blank desktop may appear when you log on to a Windows XP-based computer:
(Hotfix for SP2 and SP3)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948277/en-us
Event ID: 5603 occurs when you install Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1,
Windows XP Service Pack 2, or Windows XP Service Pack 3:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/915148/en-us
Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update,
from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after
you repair a Windows XP installation
(This KB article may also solve SP3 Windows Update will not work problem)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
Some third-party programs may experience a change in functionality after you
install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947309
Problems occur after installing Windows XP Service Pack 3 or
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 with a Norton 2008 product installed:
Info and Fix:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/norton2008.nsf/docid/2008051623552079
The print operation fails, or partial pages are printed when you try to
print to a Citizen printer or to an Alps printer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;951822
Custom settings in the Oobeinfo.ini file are lost after you upgrade a
computer to Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953651/en-us
Error message when you try to use the "Files and Settings Transfer" Wizard
to import settings on a computer that is running Windows XP Service Pack 3:
"Your migration store was created with a previous version of Files and
Settings Transfer Wizard"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950728
Windows Installer 4.5
(supports SP2 and SP3)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942288
The long list of things you don't want to know about Service Pack 3:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?mode=a&query=service+pack+3&catalog=LCID%3D1033&1033comm=1&spid=1173
How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 3 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950249/en-us
"Roy" <royb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bcc21dd2-cf69-4247...@y38g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Shenan Stanley
> I had been planning to install this version but due to problem with
> some of my acquiantances using this update I had delayed it.
> NOw I would like to ask, how important is this SP3 ?
> I had already SP2 in my WinXP run PC and never had problems...
> What are the ramifications of not updating my WinXP to the SP3
> versions?
> Would my drivers and other things conk out?
> Somebody said to me that the SP3 is for improved windows security?
> Who will be the ultimate beneficiary, is it the user or the
> Microsoft? Supposing if your PC is installed with an iron clad
> antimalware protection then what is the point of improved security
> in the presence of Sp3.
> I am keenly interested to your points on this matter.
Shenan Stanley wrote:
<snipped>
> In the thousands upon thousands of installs thus far - I have not
> seen a problem with SP3 that was *caused* by SP3 - but rather
> *exposed* by SP3.
>
> Short:
>
> With proper preparation - you are unlikely to have problems - and
> if you have been performing proper maintenance all along - even if
> you do - you are only out a short period of time (restoring from
> the backup/drive image you made wisely before diving in...)
>
> A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from
> Microsoft*...
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
>
> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx
>
> Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
>
> Suggestions:
>
> 1) Download the full SP3 installation file and/or burn the ISO
> download to CD.
> 2) Ensure (as well as plausible) you have no spyware/malware by
> doing a full scan with SuperAntiSpyware and MalwareBytes.
> 3) CHKDSK
> 4) Defragment
> 5) Ensure your hardware drivers are up to date (from the hardware
> manufacturer's respective web pages.)
> 6) Reboot right before you try to install SP3.
> 7) Disconnect from the internet before installing (physically.)
> 8) Disable your antivirus and antispyware applications when you are
> about to install SP3.
>
> Some (if not all) of that is covered in the above links.
<snip the long version>
Roy wrote:
> Thanks for that detailed explanation, but how about if my windows
> update continue to egg me with the SP3 update and the file size
> displayed just ranges from 60-350 mb IIRC, Would this mean that what
> will be installed if I follow the windows update prodding is what is
> necessary and some parts of SP3 is already installed in my PC?
> Is a clean install really better than the short cut instal via
> windows update?
>
> The amount of preparation needed for iSP3 installation might be
> discouraging at some point, ....<grin>
If the amount of preparation is discouraging - I refer you to my posting
where I stated:
"With proper preparation - you are unlikely to have problems - and if you
have been performing proper maintenance all along - even if you do - you are
only out a short period of time (restoring from the backup/drive image you
made wisely before diving in...)"
What I am saying is - if you have been properly maintaining your machine all
along - the preparation is probably just part of normal routine. If you
have not been properly maintaining your machine all along - you aren't going
to learn any younger how to.
To answer your direct questions (from your original post and follow up
post):
- The ramifications? You are not updated and soon, will not receive further
Windows XP updates without installing SP3 - as Windows XP SP2 will no longer
be supported or conatin the necessary components to accept later updates.
If you plan on replacing your Windows XP machine with another OS soon -
none.
- Your drivers would likely be fine - sometimes you need to update them -
but SP3 was not like SP2 in this category. SP2 affected far more drivers
than SP3 did - in fact - I would venture to say the only driver issues I
recall/have seen with SP3 have been the HP AMD fiasco and one or two strange
'software dongle key' issues.
- Whom told you that SP3 was for improved security?
- In the end - Microsoft doesn't care if you update to SP3 or not. That's
*your* problem. If you stick with Windows 98 for the rest of your life and
it always does what you need - the only thing Microsoft misses out on is
making more money off you since you never purchase another OS. Same thing
here. You already paid them for Windows XP. Doesn't matter if you run it
without any SP, with SP1, SP1a, SP2 or SP3. That's *your* choice and you
get to live with the consequences. If Microsoft provides you with support
for a given version (Say Windows XP with SP3 installed) and you have chosen
to stop at Windows XP SP2 and just deal with things without security updates
and the likes... OK - your choice.
- hahahah hahahah Iron Clad and antivirus, antimalware, security of any
type. That's funny. If there was any iron clad solution out there - none
of the rest would be able to show their faces and we wouldn't be chatting
here. Perfection (iron clad) does not exist. Everything is continuously
involving and improving. You can choose to evolve with it or just let your
stuff get so old that no one benefits from hacking it anyway (and things you
might want to use cannot even be installed. heh)
- After you install Windows XP SP3, windows update should not ask you about
installing it anymore.
- The size differential is because you likely *do* have components of it
installed. However - Windows XP SP3 contains 1179 updates - only a fraction
of which were released to the general public between Windows XP SP2 and SP3
as well as including everything in SP1a and SP2. If you have Windows XP
SP2, then you have everything that was included in SP1a and SP2 and you
probably have 100 or so updates since SP2 out of the additional 1179 things
Windows XP SP3 includes. So - you are missing, likely, about 1050+ things.
If you can live with that - *shrug*, okay.
- It is BETTER (IMHO) to follow the advice I gave in numbered format and
install from a downloaded/ISO version of the service pack *offline*. Think
of it simply - if your computer is concentrating on doing *one thing* (the
installation of SP3) and nothing else - that's just bound to work out
better. Just like you driving down a road. You are probably a better
driver if that is all you are doing, as opposed to singing with the radio
while drinking a soft drink and eating a burger and talking on your cell
phone at the same time. Also - you eliminate any strange download issues
while it is decided what you need and don't need.
So - having answered your questions directly - I again ask mine...
You stated, "... due to problem with some of my acquiantances using this
update I had delayed it ..."
What "problem" is there with it?
Since you delayed installing because of problems said acquaintances
had - I would be interested in the actual problems/reasons. I'd like
to compare it with the information I have already given you.
--
Shenan Stanley
Roy
>
> > WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
>
> - Show quoted text -
May I ask are you a Microsoft marketing fella?....
You seem to arouse suspicion...with your lengthy discourse..
You seem to enumerate only the good part of it.
And you did not even care to answer what is the difference between the
installation of sp3 via windows update and by ISO fresh installation.
Besides my PC is had factory installed WinXP SP 2.
You seems to be promoting only the benefits but you never dig out the
problems that may arise....
BTW, when all the people I know in my vicinity operated PC WinXP
sp2 and even Sp3 got infected with a conficker virus, due to poor
antimalware but not mine, meaning its not the SP3 that makes the
computer safe?
Shenan Stanley
> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131
>
> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
Roy wrote:
> May I ask are you a Microsoft marketing fella?....
> You seem to arouse suspicion...with your lengthy discourse..
>
> You seem to enumerate only the good part of it.
> And you did not even care to answer what is the difference
> between the installation of sp3 via windows update and by
> ISO fresh installation.
>
> Besides my PC is had factory installed WinXP SP 2.
> You seems to be promoting only the benefits but you never
> dig out the problems that may arise....
>
> BTW, when all the people I know in my vicinity operated PC WinXP
> sp2 and even Sp3 got infected with a conficker virus, due to poor
> antimalware but not mine, meaning its not the SP3 that makes the
> computer safe?
I have no direct relationship (other than voluntary here on these
newsgroups) with Microsoft. I hate marketing, it's usually not fact-based.
I don't particularly care if you ever use a Microsoft product or not. I am
just presenting you all the facts. What you do with them is your choice.
Your choice is your own - no one here really cares what you end up doing.
I did enumerate why I prefer local/offline installation vs. the download and
what tthe size differences in possible download sizes were - you are
eliminating the risk of random problems during download and you are taking
the computer offline, so you are not risking any exposure during the update.
Online simply scans your machine and sees which parts it needs to download.
If you have SP1a when you scan, it needs everything from then/on. If you
have SP2 already installed, it needs everything from then on. So on. So
the download can be variable in size. The ISO/full executable does the same
thing - but just for the install part - there is no download.
I gave all the problems that I have seen (and their work-arounds/fixes) in
my lengthier response. If you cannot read - that is a problem you need to
address elsewhere. ;-) The links given have practically everything that has
been reported in these newsgroups and the steps many people have taken and
then had no problems installing SP3 as a result of.
My experience is that Windows XP SP3 is a benign update, all problems I have
seen associated with it were existing issues - things that needed to be
looked at before SP3 was ever thought of, but quite possibly the user did
not know about them and/or did not properly maintain their machine.
*shrug* - so you did not get infected when everyone else did. I run no
_active_ AntiSpyware applications on any of my personal machines and have
one or two machines I have ran for long periods of time without AntiVirus
software - and have not personally ever got infected with a virus or the
likes. It's a matter of common sense and habits.
No one here said SP3 made your computer safe (only you did that) - I just
inferred you that if you did not update, your system would be unsupported
and one day it is possible a patch for a yet unknown security hole comes up
and you will be unable to install said patch without SP3 installed.
I cannot dig out what isn't there in my experience. You are the one that
claimed to have delayed things because of problems you 'acquaintances had' -
but you seem unwilling to enumerate those. Why is that?
I've given you all you need to decide, there really isn't much more you
could get out there than what I have presented you in these posts
surrounding SP3 and the known issues surrounding its installed and the
suggestions on the best way to install it.
Sorry - I don't know how to give facts like this in a "McDonald's Picture
Menu" manner - have to use words. ;-)
Now it is "all you" - decide... or don't (which is a decision.)
Shenan Stanley
Missed anything?
Why?
(Archived Indefinitely - entire conversation)
Roy
>> > - Whom told you that SP3 was for improved security?
Somebody did but its not likely you..<grin>
>
> > - The size differential is because you likely *do* have components
> > of it installed. However - Windows XP SP3 contains 1179 updates -
> > only a fraction of which were released to the general public
> > between Windows XP SP2 and SP3 as well as including everything in
> > SP1a and SP2. If you have Windows XP SP2, then you have everything
> > that was included in SP1a and SP2 and you probably have 100 or so
> > updates since SP2 out of the additional 1179 things Windows XP SP3
> > includes. So - you are missing, likely, about 1050+ things. If you
> > can live with that - *shrug*, okay.
>
Shhhrug...okay...
> > - It is BETTER (IMHO) to follow the advice I gave in numbered
> > format and install from a downloaded/ISO version of the service
> > pack *offline*. Think of it simply - if your computer is
> > concentrating on doing *one thing* (the installation of SP3) and
> > nothing else - that's just bound to work out better. Just like you
> > driving down a road. You are probably a better driver if that is
> > all you are doing, as opposed to singing with the radio while
> > drinking a soft drink and eating a burger and talking on your cell
> > phone at the same time. Also - you eliminate any strange download
> > issues while it is decided what you need and don't need.
>
> > So - having answered your questions directly - I again ask mine...
>
> > You stated, "... due to problem with some of my acquiantances using
> > this update I had delayed it ..."
>
via windows update and by
> > ISO fresh installation.
>
> > Besides my PC is had factory installed WinXP SP 2.
> > You seems to be promoting only the benefits but you never
> > dig out the problems that may arise....
>
> > BTW, when all the people I know in my vicinity operated PC WinXP
> > sp2 and even Sp3 got infected with a conficker virus, due to poor
> > antimalware but not mine, meaning its not the SP3 that makes the
> > computer safe?
>
> I have no direct relationship (other than voluntary here on these
> newsgroups) with Microsoft. I hate marketing, it's usually not fact-based.
> I don't particularly care if you ever use a Microsoft product or not. I am
> just presenting you all the facts. What you do with them is your choice.
> Your choice is your own - no one here really cares what you end up doing.
Hmmm I am going to appreciate likely as i soon as I digested all what
you have discussed
>
> I did enumerate why I prefer local/offline installation vs. the download and
> what tthe size differences in possible download sizes were - you are
> eliminating the risk of random problems during download and you are taking
> the computer offline, so you are not risking any exposure during the update.
What I mean is if the Sp3 updates is already downloaded by windows
update and just need a go signal to instal , but still ruminating
whether to give it a go or nott
> Online simply scans your machine and sees which parts it needs to download.
> If you have SP1a when you scan, it needs everything from then/on. If you
> have SP2 already installed, it needs everything from then on. So on. So
> the download can be variable in size. The ISO/full executable does the same
> thing - but just for the install part - there is no download.
The full install results in a big file that the update as why there is
arange of file size that needs to be idownloaded /nstalled?
>
> I gave all the problems that I have seen (and their work-arounds/fixes) in
> my lengthier response. If you cannot read - that is a problem you need to
> address elsewhere. ;-) The links given have practically everything that has
> been reported in these newsgroups and the steps many people have taken and
> then had no problems installing SP3 as a result of.
Thanks for that ....
>
> My experience is that Windows XP SP3 is a benign update, all problems I have
> seen associated with it were existing issues - things that needed to be
> looked at before SP3 was ever thought of, but quite possibly the user did
> not know about them and/or did not properly maintain their machine.
That is one issue, if there is not much care about PC maintenance like
many of the PC users and the lack of users friendliness of the
installation and update of the SP3 is something of concern.
>
> *shrug* - so you did not get infected when everyone else did. I run no
> _active_ AntiSpyware applications on any of my personal machines and have
> one or two machines I have ran for long periods of time without AntiVirus
> software - and have not personally ever got infected with a virus or the
> likes. It's a matter of common sense and habits.
>
Oh? you must be running MAC OS or some other OS aside from Windoze?
Or its either your pc have already a preinstalled antimalware that
magically install /update by itself without your knowledge ( and
always in hidden/ invisible mode) <grin>?
Would you mind sharing that knowhow of that invisible malware
protection. that you've got in your pc as
Thats good a good business investment opportunity to invest as there
is no compeitition <grin>?
> I cannot dig out what isn't there in my experience. You are the one that
> claimed to have delayed things because of problems you 'acquaintances had' -
> but you seem unwilling to enumerate those. Why is that?
Well whatever their problems with their pcs I did n ot care to know
more about but the fact is the SP3 installation was the culprit. and
Nothing else and that is the reason for my reluctance to instal it in
mine.
>
> I've given you all you need to decide, there really isn't much more you
> could get out there than what I have presented you in these posts
> surrounding SP3 and the known issues surrounding its installed and the
> suggestions on the best way to install it.
>
>
> Now it is "all you" - decide... or don't (which is a decision.)
Anyway I presume things will get better soon<grin>
> --
> --
Randall Flagg
<newsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>- Whom told you that SP3 was for improved security?
It's "Who told you....?"
WHOM would be used for "You told whom...?" or "Whom did you tell...?"
Big_Al
load it post SP3 install. There was an issue when MS released a DNS
patch via WU and a lot of PC's got patched and vendors like ZoneAlarm
did not get their product updated to match the MS patch. It took a day
to get their patch released, but all you had to do was turn off ZA as it
would block the internet, download then install the latest ZA program
and all was fine.
Jonathan Harker
[290 quoted lines snipped]
>Zone Alarm 8 does not have issues.
[more snipped]
Umm... your post with the quotes was 298 lines. Your 9-line reply was
to material was at about line 23 and that was only 4 lines long.
Do you think you could have quoted more judiciously?
BillW50
Daave typed on Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:22:13 -0400:
> "Roy" <royb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a1d6572b-4258-474e...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Problem #2: The installation can fail if there are devices connected
> to the PC. Therefore, it is best to disconnect all perpipheral devices
> (e.g., USB external hard drives, printers, etc.) and configure a Clean
> Boot environment (because certain anti-malware programs that run in
> the background can interfere with the upgrade). See:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>
> Make sure to download the standalone SP3 installer like Shenan
> advised! (Or make your own SP3 CD from the .iso file available.)
Sounds like it is best to install SP3 in Safe Mode, if it will let you.
Or maybe that isn't a good idea since you won't see much of your system
and guess wrong when it installs files.
--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
BillW50
news:a1d6572b-4258-474e...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Roy typed on Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:08:04 -0700 (PDT):
> Hmm Thanks ! that sounds like an honest to good ness answer...<grin>
>
> I had been considering that also that is why I am delaying it until
> acquintances really regretted why they did that sp3 update so the
> cautioned me also about doing it. They had a perfectly running
> computers with only WinXPSP2 only to become problematic when the SP3
> was installed...
I haven't installed SP3 on any of my computers because I still remember
the horrors of installing SP2. Not a single one went well for me. And
performance went down the tubes. And only a total slipstreamed XP with
SP2 in a complete reinstall worked for all of my computers. What a PIA!
If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't. Period! There is much to
be said about not fixing something that isn't broken. ;-)
Shenan Stanley
(Archived Indefinitely - entire conversation)
Roy wrote:
The proper maintenance of your computer should not be something you do just
because of an update, it is a continuous thing. Lack of it was the reason
some had trouble installing Windows XP SP3; although in a few cases, it was
something someone else (like HP) had done long before the end-user had a
chance to do anything.
With common sense and a little knowledge - I'd dare say you do not need
antimalware software or even antivirus software. A firewall and perhaps NAT
protection followed by using common sense and maintaining a basic level of
knowledge so you don't do the dense things that get you infested/infected.
I still _recommend_ people use antivirus software, because anyone could have
a moment of weakness or foolishness.
The download size range (one more time) presented to you by the automatic
updates and/or windowsupdate.microsoft.com web page is because from there it
will scan your computer and only _download and install_ what you need. If
you download the full executable - it is *one* size: 316.4 MB. It does the
scanning and only _installs_ what you need.
Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for
IT Professionals and Developers (works just as well for you.)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en
You seem to not have the gumption to install Windows XP SP3. Nothing anyone
here can say will give you the courage you lack - all anyone here can do is
give you the actual facts of the situation. IMO, your fear is founded in
ignorance. You can continue blissfully in your timorous ignorance or take
the advice given. It cannot be made simpler than that.
Daave
> In news:ezw$UQFpJH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
> Daave typed on Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:22:13 -0400:
>> "Roy" <royb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a1d6572b-4258-474e...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> [...] Problem #2: The installation can fail if there are devices
>> connected to the PC. Therefore, it is best to disconnect all
>> perpipheral devices (e.g., USB external hard drives, printers, etc.)
>> and configure a Clean Boot environment (because certain anti-malware
>> programs that run in the background can interfere with the upgrade).
>> See: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>>
>> Make sure to download the standalone SP3 installer like Shenan
>> advised! (Or make your own SP3 CD from the .iso file available.)
>
> Sounds like it is best to install SP3 in Safe Mode, if it will let
> you. Or maybe that isn't a good idea since you won't see much of your
> system and guess wrong when it installs files.
You snipped away my recommendation to configure a clean boot and then
install SP3. But others have successfully installed it in Safe Mode.
Since I haven't done so, I don't personally recommend it, but still it's
better than installing with McAfee running!
Unknown
"Big_Al" <Bi...@md.com> wrote in message
news:%23OaDgAK...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Shenan Stanley
<snipped>
> - Whom told you that SP3 was for improved security?
Randall Flagg wrote:
> It's "Who told you....?"
>
> WHOM would be used for "You told whom...?" or "Whom did you
> tell...?"
Randall Flagg is correct. The mistake was mine.
For those who would like further information on the proper usage of
who/whom, I refer you to:
http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/difficulties/whowhom.html
You know what they say...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/The_More_You_Know.jpg
db
as you can see, people
will implore you to install
this and that, but fail
short in everything else.
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DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
"share the nirvana" - dbZen
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>
>
"Roy" <royb...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:a1d6572b-4258-474e...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Shenan Stanley
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/1fee48e254e7a092/cf5aa69beffbcc72#cf5aa69beffbcc72
(Archived Indefinitely - entire conversation)
db wrote:
> sure. glad to help.
>
> as you can see, people
> will implore you to install
> this and that, but fail
> short in everything else.
Or they can present the facts and let the person decide on their own.
In the end - if anyone responding actually cares whether or not the original
poster installs Windows XP SP3 - they know them personally or are just an
extremely sensitive/caring person (they probably exist - I've seen them made
fun of on TV and in movies. *grin*)
db
Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
Brief Description
Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released updates for the operating system. This update also includes a
small number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change customers' experience with the operating system.
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- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
"share the nirvana" - dbZen
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>
>
"Shenan Stanley" <newsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e7VFgqLp...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
BillW50
db typed on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:12:38 -0500:
> directly from microsoft:
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
>
> Brief Description
>
> Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released
> updates for the operating system. This update also includes a small
> number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change
> customers' experience with the operating system.
Which begs the question, why bother?
Shenan Stanley
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/1fee48e254e7a092/cf5aa69beffbcc72#cf5aa69beffbcc72
(Archived Indefinitely - entire conversation)
db wrote:
> sure. glad to help.
>
> as you can see, people
> will implore you to install
> this and that, but fail
> short in everything else.
Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Or they can present the facts and let the person decide on their
> own.
> In the end - if anyone responding actually cares whether or not the
> original poster installs Windows XP SP3 - they know them personally
> or are just an extremely sensitive/caring person (they probably
> exist - I've seen them made fun of on TV and in movies. *grin*)
db wrote:
> directly from microsoft:
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
>
> Brief Description
>
> Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released
> updates for the operating system. This update also includes a small
> number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change
> customers' experience with the operating system.
If you want to just anwer the direct question (subject line):
- *NOTHING* is ever necessary. So WinXP SP3 falls under that umbrella.
If you want a little more information and be able to make an informed
decision whether or not you should install SP3...
- 1179 updates (post-SP2 updates) were included in Windows XP SP3. I would
venture to say less than 150 updates were released to the general public
between SP2 and SP3. That leaves over 1000 updates a system with only SP2
and post-SP2 updates doesn't have.
- In the near future, Windows XP machines that do not have Windows XP SP3
installed will be unable to download further updates (the updates will
require SP3 to be installed.) Whether these updates will be 'critical' - no
one can say.
- The offer of free support from Microsoft with problems/concerns installing
Windows XP SP3 ends very soon. If you want free technical help when
installing it/right after installing it - you need to get on it now. I
believe the free support offer ends in April 2009.
Essentially - it boils down to a decision each person has to make. If they
are satisfied making that decision of the fact that SP3 does not
significantly change the customers' experience line - fine. Makes no
difference in my life.
Personally - I think whom ever wrote that part you quoted failed.
I would say the lack of supported updates will change the customer
experience significantly if said updates turn out to be critical in nature
and cause trouble in the future. Reguardless of whether the updates end up
being critical or not - there will be people months or years down the line
asking how to install Windows XP SP3 because they didn't do it now and they
haven't got updates in XX months or they need SP3 to install some software
they want to use (just like still happens today with software needing SP2.)
Again - it boils down to personal decision and living with it.
Do you actually *care* whether or not anyone (at all) installs Windows XP
SP3?
For me - then answer is "only if I might become involved with their computer
support now/later".
db
the only reason I would
suggest sp3 is when the
computer user needs the
remote assistance feature
or requires connectivity
between computers via
networking.
sp3 resolves the issues
that sp2 has with the above.
further if I do recommend sp3
I will make sure people the
points below:
point 1: the issue of the sp2
cd becoming incompatible
point 2: the option to use add/
remove programs to uninstall
sp3 is available
point 3: the need to make a
slipstream of sp3.
point 4: uninstall the av's
before updating to sp3.
point 5: some third party
programs are hard coded
for sp2 only.
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- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
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>
>
"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message news:eHUjMEMp...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
Roy
> sure. glad to help.
>
> as you can see, people
> will implore you to install
> this and that, but fail
> short in everything else.
>
> --
>
> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
> - Systems Analyst
> - Database Developer
> - Accountancy
> - Veteran of the Armed Forces
>
> "share the nirvana" - dbZen
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 9:03 am, "db" <databaseben at hotmail> wrote:
> >> nah, sp3 is not worth
> >> the trouble.
>
> >> the only improvement
> >> is with networking and
> >> remote assistance.
>
> > Hmm Thanks ! that sounds like an honest to good ness answer...<grin>
>
> > I had been considering that also that is why I am delaying it until
> > its really necessary .
> > The complication that arise from the installation was the thing that
> > held me back
> > and indeed some of my acquintances really regretted why they did that
> > sp3 update so the
> > cautioned me also about doing it.
> > They had a perfectly running computers with only WinXPSP2 only to
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are the one of the sensible fella that answered to my post sans
the tedious discourse..Keep it up, SIMPLICITY is the keyword here!
BTW
I hope I can still hear other negative experience of SP3 installation
as I will then balance it if its worth the time to undergo the complex
process of preparation for the installation of that Microsoft vaunted
SP3.
Supposing by 2010 the support for Sp2 is stopped maybe that time
Window7 is ready then?
Cheers!
Roy
wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
> > Innews:ezw$UQFpJH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
> > Daave typed on Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:22:13 -0400:
> >>news:a1d6572b-4258-474e...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> [...] Problem #2: The installation can fail if there are devices
> >> connected to the PC. Therefore, it is best to disconnect all
> >> perpipheral devices (e.g., USB external hard drives, printers, etc.)
> >> and configure a Clean Boot environment (because certain anti-malware
> >> programs that run in the background can interfere with the upgrade).
> >> See:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>
> >> Make sure to download the standalone SP3 installer like Shenan
> >> advised! (Or make your own SP3 CD from the .iso file available.)
>
> > Sounds like it is best to install SP3 in Safe Mode, if it will let
> > you. Or maybe that isn't a good idea since you won't see much of your
> > system and guess wrong when it installs files.
>
> You snipped away my recommendation to configure a clean boot and then
> install SP3. But others have successfully installed it in Safe Mode.
> Since I haven't done so, I don't personally recommend it, but still it's
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hmm, thats another informative point taken, thanks!
Roy
> Innews:a1d6572b-4258-474e...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
That is also my concern Bill, at least you said about it...Thanks for
that! And that is one reason to be careful with installing any more
updates and so called patches if its not necessary....
Roy
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/bro...
Really? you should be a candidate for a major Windoze prize I for
insisting that you don't need any antimalware for their operating
system?
I presume
Antimalware companies if they take your word seriously et all would
like to hear you hear roll< LOL> for insisting and possibly
campaigning that antimalwares are superflous?
BTW
I don't see that the multitude of computer users will took pains on
following what you do to confirm if it really works. I was also
thinking why you said about absolutely no antimalware that is you
seldom connect to the internet and if you surf you are extra careful
about the sites you visit.
I presume you are doing the same painstaking care even when examining
your mails if its worth opening or not? <grin>
>
> The download size range (one more time) presented to you by the automatic
> updates and/or windowsupdate.microsoft.com web page is because from there it
> will scan your computer and only _download and install_ what you need. If
> you download the full executable - it is *one* size: 316.4 MB. It does the
> scanning and only _installs_ what you need.
That is the point,if supposing what I need is not the whole package
then I should have the right to instal what is lacking so the Complete
installation does not sounds good to me as it might fuck up my stable
system.
I want to know the other people experience with complete installation
by ISO or by just windows update..
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for
> IT Professionals and Developers (works just as well for you.)http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E7...
>
That link does not work for me
> You seem to not have the gumption to install Windows XP SP3. Nothing anyone
> here can say will give you the courage you lack - all anyone here can do is
> give you the actual facts of the situation. IMO, your fear is founded in
> ignorance. You can continue blissfully in your timorous ignorance or take
> the advice given. It cannot be made simpler than that.
>
Well I am just reviewing the pros and cons if its worth it. I don't
want to listen to microsoft sales people< grin>..
Cheers!
Roy
> >> Brief Description
>
> >> Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released
> >> updates for the operating system. This update also includes a small
> >> number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change
> >> customers' experience with the operating system.
>
> > Which begs the question, why bother?
>
Hmm that is maybe the reason why in windows update the file range for
SP3 ranges from 60 to 300 + mb, as it will be redundant if you install
the whole program.
But what are the complications with just installing what is needed in
your PC and not to put in what is in already from previous updates?
From my point , the fewer the update size, it would be the better so I
want to hear feedbacks from experienced people in this area as that is
the likey way I have to do so it will not bloat my C drive with
redundant files...
db
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>
"Roy" <royb...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:86821fdc-87aa-4637...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
Shenan Stanley
> Hmm that is maybe the reason why in windows update the file range
> for SP3 ranges from 60 to 300 + mb, as it will be redundant if you
> install the whole program.
> But what are the complications with just installing what is needed
> in your PC and not to put in what is in already from previous
> updates? From my point , the fewer the update size, it would be the
> better so I want to hear feedbacks from experienced people in this
> area as that is the likey way I have to do so it will not bloat my
> C drive with redundant files...
SP3 will replace the files it needs to from previous updates, not put in
duplicates. It is not redundant.
- You can remove the update uninstall fies if you are concerned over space.
- Disk Cleanup and CCleaner are also options for cleaning up disk space.
- SequoiaView and JDiskReport can show you where all the space is being used
on your PC.
- Turning off Hibernation, adjusting the TIF size to 64-128MB and changing
the system restore maximum size to something near 1GB is also a good plan.
- Check your Add or Remove Programs control panel. Remove unused
applications, reduce the number of Java's you have installed to just the
latest (if you can.)
Daave
On Mar 14, 10:47 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>
wrote:
>> You snipped away my recommendation to configure a clean boot and then
>> install SP3. But others have successfully installed it in Safe Mode.
>> Since I haven't done so, I don't personally recommend it, but still
>> it's
>> better than installing with McAfee running!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> Hmm, thats another informative point taken, thanks!
You're welcome, Roy. A big reason that many people have had issues with
installiing SP3 is that they neglected to first turn off antivirus,
firewall, etc. programs that wind up interfering and botching the
installation.
Roy Smith
I guess it all depends on which antivirus and firewalls one uses. When
I applied SP3 to my 2 pc's and my sister's, I didn't do any of that.
Just stuck the CD in the drive and started the upgrade...
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(Archived Indefinitely - entire conversation)
Daave wrote:
> You're welcome, Roy. A big reason that many people have had issues
> with installiing SP3 is that they neglected to first turn off
> antivirus, firewall, etc. programs that wind up interfering and
> botching the installation.
Roy Smith wrote:
> I guess it all depends on which antivirus and firewalls one uses.
> When I applied SP3 to my 2 pc's and my sister's, I didn't do any of
> that. Just stuck the CD in the drive and started the upgrade...
The 'turn off the antivirus' suggestion is more of a 'best practice' than a
'100% always must do'.
Eliminates possible variables before a problem arises and should a problem
arise - one less thing to look into.
Roy
>
> SP3 will replace the files it needs to from previous updates, not put in
> duplicates. It is not redundant.
.)
Hmm, thanks, if that is the case, then what is the point of using a
complete install via an ISO file instead of following the windows
update?
My reluctance to go with the complete install is the related files
that have been downloaded to windows update will be likely replaced .
What ever upgrade I have to make it should be economical and not to
overhaul my system with parts of similar files that already exist?
Roy
> "Roy" <royba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Hmm thanks! Would you mind to elaborate further what popular
antivirus would interfere with the installation? Does the firewall
needs to be configured as well as what I am having right now is an
internet security which includes already their propreitary firewall.
Shenan Stanley
If you have the entire SP3 install file already downloaded or you have the
installation CD for Windows XP SP3 - there is almost *no chance* a bad
network packet or network hiccup/outtage will affect your install. It's
that simple.
As far as files getting replaced... Why do you think that is a bad thing at
all?
Once you install Windows XP SP3 - things in your automatic/download and
notify updates should be cleaned up for you. There are other things you can
do to clean up the uninstall files later - if you feel you need the space.
"Economical"? I guess you might have an Internet connection that you pay
for by how much you utilize?
I'd say if the latter is true - you would be better off (economically)
getting someone who does not have that limitation to download and save the
full install file for you and then using it on your machine.
Daave
news:e0a8bb4e-1d89-46bd...@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.co
m:
> On Mar 16, 1:17 am, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>
> wrote:
>> "Roy" <royba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f3597397-ef70-49d2...@f1g2000prb.googlegroups.
>> com... On Mar 14, 10:47 pm, "Daave"
>> <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> You snipped away my recommendation to configure a clean boot
>> >> and then install SP3. But others have successfully installed
>> >> it in Safe Mode. Since I haven't done so, I don't personally
>> >> recommend it, but still it's
>> >> better than installing with McAfee running!- Hide quoted text
>> >> -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> > Hmm, thats another informative point taken, thanks!
>>
>> You're welcome, Roy. A big reason that many people have had
>> issues with installiing SP3 is that they neglected to first turn
>> off antivirus, firewall, etc. programs that wind up interfering
>> and botching the installation.
>
> Hmm thanks! Would you mind to elaborate further what popular
> antivirus would interfere with the installation? Does the firewall
> needs to be configured as well as what I am having right now is an
> internet security which includes already their propreitary
> firewall.
Off the top of my head, I can't give you a definitive list. I recall
mentions of Norton, McAfee, and Zone Alarm in this very newsgroup by
people who did not have success installing SP3. Keep in mind that
running certain antivirus programs does not cause any interference
whatsoever. Rather than experiment, though, I would just disable
*any* such program or suite. It's easy to do and it doesn't hurt
anything.
Also, people tend to have better results if they download the
installation file or use the CD. And this way, you don't even need to
be online to install the service pack.
And it's better to downgrade to IE6 before upgrading to SP3, and
*later* re-upgrade to IE7.
The people who follow all the recommended precautions never have any
issues upgrading to SP3. These include configuring a clean boot (or
at the very least, disabling on-access scanning... for me, a clean
boot is easy to do and easy to undo, and it covers all the bases),
disconnecting unnecessary peripherals like printers, external hard
drives, etc., and determining whether or not your PC (almost always
an HP) has *both* an AMD processor *and* a factory-installed image on
the hard drive that incorrectly assumes the PC has an Intel
processor.
Using "best practices," you will also scan for malware before
attempting the upgrade, make sure you have enough free space on the
drive, and back up all your data -- just in case. Personally, I just
make an image of the entire C: drive; this way, if something goes
wrong, it's very easy to go back in time.
The Windows Firewall presents no conflict, but I believe I've heard
people having problems specifically with the third-party Zone Alarm
(but it might have been their larger all-in-one security suite).
Roy
more attractive than getting an Iso copy of WinXPSP3 to install.
I would like to hear your feedbacks regarding this
In the windows update icon with a exclamation mark in it,if I click it
to open :
AUTOMATIC UPDATES
How do youinstall updates
Windows found 1 update. This update requires that you first
accepts license terms.
Express install( recommended)
The easy way to install updates that are applicable to your
computer. This will ensure that your computer is up to date
with the latest software.
Custom install( advanced)
Note: you many need to restart your computer for the updates
to take effect
I selected custom install and the next prompt is like this
Windows XP Service Pack3(KB936929)
Details
Size 66.0-316.4mb
Windows XP Service Pack3(SP3) is an update to Windows XP that
addresses
key feedback from our customers and is cumulative update that
includes
all previously released updates and should not significantly
change
the Window XP experience. After you install this item, you may have
to
restart your computer.
More information can be found at
http://support.microsoft. Com/kb936929
Now having this information which to my assumption is much easier to
install the SP3 than finding and Iso file of the complete SP3 update
then what is the difference
if I follow the easy part of just following the windows update
portion?
Daave
much quicker. The best-practices method is the most foolproof one. But
if you want to install the update you downloaded, go for it. Just
remember you don't want any pesky programs running that may interfere
with the installation. And make sure the only things connected to your
PC are the mouse, keyboard, and monitor.
It's also a good idea to back up your data (then again, it's *always* a
good idea to do that). Personally, I prefer to make an image of C:.
Your PC is not one of those weird HP ones, is it? I'm referring to the
problem discussed here:
Keep us posted!
"Roy" <royb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Roy
> There may not be any difference at all. And your way could very well be
> much quicker. The best-practices method is the most foolproof one. But
> if you want to install the update you downloaded, go for it. Just
> remember you don't want any pesky programs running that may interfere
> with the installation. And make sure the only things connected to your
> PC are the mouse, keyboard, and monitor.
>
> It's also a good idea to back up your data (then again, it's *always* a
> good idea to do that). Personally, I prefer to make an image of C:.
>
> Your PC is not one of those weird HP ones, is it? I'm referring to the
> problem discussed here:
>
>
> Keep us posted!
>
I am still wary of following the update, I am unsure if many of the
older softwares installed in that PC would still function after the
SP3 is installed. It’s still murky to me if there is an easy way to
uninstall the SP3 once its installed or will the system restore be
able to resolve it and get back to its former glory?
Its rather messy reinstalling the OS if anything goes wrong and I have
no time for it now with my favorite PC which I used for my work most
of the time.
I just want an easy way out that is why I want to learn as much
information about past experience of other people. If the installation
will likely cause problems then better postpone it until I feel
satisfied with my knowledge about the spectrum of ramifications
With all the information provided I have stil to make further
consideration about the niche softwares installed whom I have never
been aware if their drivers were updated. or were they made ready for
SP3?
One of those guys who cautioned me about the Sp3 update was sharing
the same experience that two of his softwares useful for his work
won’t function anymore. And unfortunately the reinstallation of the
softwares with the SP3 did make the software problematic.
What he did was he reformatted his drive and reinstalled everything
was back to the glory of Winxp Sp2.
I have to think about it further, but anyway If I go with the
installation I will let you know how it goes…
Thanks for your generous comments, but still eager to hear more
feedbacks related to this topic.
Roy
Daave
I understand your trepidation, Roy, but seriously, if someone does the
necessary legwork prior to the upgrade, the odds are over 99% that it
will be successful. Are there certain programs that might not work with
SP3? Perhaps a handful. I wouldn't let that stop you from the upgrade.
Besides, you'll learn immediately if that's the case or not.
If you want to uninstall SP3, it's just a matter of using Control Panel
| Add or Remove Programs (make sure the "Show updates" box is checked).
Windows System Restore is another method. Just make sure there are no
pesky programs like Norton or Zone Alarm that may interfere with it.
Then again, if you image your drive beforehand, that is the best way to
go. Then if you want or need to, all you need to do is restore the image
and everything will be as it was. If you don't have Acronis True Image
(my favorite), you may use a freebie called DriveImageXML:
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
Bob I
BillW50 wrote:
> In news:04B90349-1DE8-452B...@microsoft.com,
> db typed on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:12:38 -0500:
>
>>directly from microsoft:
>>
>>Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
>>
>>Brief Description
>>
>>Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released
>>updates for the operating system. This update also includes a small
>>number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change
>>customers' experience with the operating system.
>
>
> Which begs the question, why bother?
>
Service Pack Support Policy
The Microsoft Support Lifecycle policy requires that the product’s
supported service pack be installed to continue to receive support
(including security updates).
You have 24 months, which translates to 13-Jul-2010.
BillW50
Bob I typed on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:59:27 -0500:
I don't have support now. What difference will it make when July 2010
rolls around? I don't have support for MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, 95, 98, nor
2000 either. So what else is new?
Remember DR-DOS selling point? Full lifetime support! And that lasted
until they had your money and then dropped the support. Funny how that
works, eh?
--
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Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2
Doug W.
solutions for AMD chip problem before starting. It will take
about a half an hour or so but what the hay...no big deal. Have
a moist towel to wipe away the sweat from your brow as your
computer grinds away installing the update. After it updates and
your computer restarts NORMALLY, you can shout a hurrah and
relax.
-
Doug W.
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Daave
> In news:uz6GLfkp...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
> Bob I typed on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:59:27 -0500:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>> In news:04B90349-1DE8-452B...@microsoft.com,
>>> db typed on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:12:38 -0500:
>>>
>>>> directly from microsoft:
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
>>>>
>>>> Brief Description
>>>>
>>>> Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released
>>>> updates for the operating system. This update also includes a small
>>>> number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change
>>>> customers' experience with the operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which begs the question, why bother?
>>>
>> Service Pack Support Policy
>>
>> The Microsoft Support Lifecycle policy requires that the product’s
>> supported service pack be installed to continue to receive support
>> (including security updates).
>>
>> You have 24 months, which translates to 13-Jul-2010.
>>
>> see
>> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps
>
> I don't have support now.
You *do* have support now. Not the kind of support you're talking about,
but the kind of support Bob I is talking about -- regular critical
updates are still coming out.
Roy
> BillW50 wrote:
> > Bob I typed on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:59:27 -0500:
> >> BillW50 wrote:
>
> >>> db typed on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:12:38 -0500:
>
> >>>> directly from microsoft:
>
> >>>> Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
>
> >>>> Brief Description
>
> >>>> Windows® XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) includes all previously released
> >>>> number of new functionalities, which do not significantly change
> >>>> customers' experience with the operating system.
>
> >>> Which begs the question, why bother?
>
> >> Service Pack Support Policy
>
> >> The Microsoft Support Lifecycle policy requires that the product’s
> >> supported service pack be installed to continue to receive support
> >> (including security updates).
>
> >> You have 24 months, which translates to 13-Jul-2010.
>
> >> see
> >>http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps
>
> > I don't have support now.
>
> You *do* have support now. Not the kind of support you're talking about,
> but the kind of support Bob I is talking about -- regular critical
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello Guys, after must trepidation I installed the WinXP3 update
now,,,,as of now I noticed not much an peculiarity except
1) Drastic decrease of free space in the C drive,( by1.4 gb)
2) Slow boot up time..
The installation took about an hour.... and I have to reboot it and
then thats it.
I am keeping my fingers crossed while I have to see what are the other
changes that it may have done to my PCs performance...
Regards
3)
Daave
> Hello Guys, after must trepidation I installed the WinXP3 update
> now,,,,as of now I noticed not much an peculiarity except
> 1) Drastic decrease of free space in the C drive,( by1.4 gb)
> 2) Slow boot up time..
> The installation took about an hour.... and I have to reboot it and
> then thats it.
> I am keeping my fingers crossed while I have to see what are the other
> changes that it may have done to my PCs performance...
SP3 should not increase bootup time. Do you mean the first bootup was
slow but subsequent botups are fine? Or do they continue to be slow?
What method did you use to install it?
Roy
Thanks for your reply Dave..
First I tried the windows update, but it failed due to error
notes...so what I did I downloaded the complete file ( about 316 megs
IIRC) and backed up my files dually using the Acronis tru image, as
well as by using the System tools in a separate hard disk. Then re
read all the given salient steps from this thread , shut down
temporarily the Kaspersky Internet Security and Installed the Sp3.
Well it took me almost an hour as if my PC freezes( which gave me some
goosebumps earlier<grin>). Then when the installation is complete I
restarted the PC which normallytook quite a time to boot up ( about 5
minutes?) Then to check the boot up time, I restarted it and it still
took me about 3 minutes....
Before the SP3 installation, the boot up time was just slightly above
a minute.
I did some post clean up but just careful not to touch yet the
restore points and windows back up folder .
I did compress the C:\Windows\ServicePackFiles. but reluctant to
clean the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download, and the old hot
fix storage,worrying that if this Sp3 will give problems this might
come handy? Or is still so?
I have noticed that there are 7 restore points but is worried also
that If I remove the 6 and retain the last one, it might be difficult
to get back to do the system restore if the upgrade plan turns awry in
later time?
Any more ideas and suggestion to further remove all the excess files
during the installation?
TIA
Roy
Daave
I wonder what's happening...
Keep in mind that since you imaged your hard drive, you can certainly
restore your most recent image. If it were me, I'd be tempted to do that
and then reinstall SP3, but only after configuring a Clean Boot:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
I'm guessing there was *still* something running in the background when
you installed SP3. If you have time to experiment, it may be worthwhile
to try it again, using the Best Practices method outlined by Shenan in
an earlier post.
> I did some post clean up but just careful not to touch yet the
> restore points and windows back up folder .
> I did compress the C:\Windows\ServicePackFiles. but reluctant to
> clean the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download, and the old hot
> fix storage,worrying that if this Sp3 will give problems this might
> come handy? Or is still so?
> I have noticed that there are 7 restore points but is worried also
> that If I remove the 6 and retain the last one, it might be difficult
> to get back to do the system restore if the upgrade plan turns awry in
> later time?
> Any more ideas and suggestion to further remove all the excess files
> during the installation?
Bookmark this page:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33827
But I wouldn't do that right away!
What are the dates of your Restore Points? What date did you apply SP3?
Once you are satisified with your SP3 installation and you tidy up
(removing the tons of files outlined in the link above as well as
deleting old restore points and temp files and even your hiberfil.sys
file if you don't use hibernation -- and you still might have the
Automatic Updates SP3 installation file in that downloads folder!... you
can delete that, too), a defrag would be a great idea.
Last question: what mode do you run Automatic Updates in? For most
people, I recommend "Notify me but don't automatically download or
install them." Actually, I turned mine off and I visit Windows Update
twice a month!
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Ideally, you would have seen
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm before you installed
SP3.
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Roy wrote:
<snip>
Roy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Now the boot up time took me about 3.5 minutes....
I did the same thing about that Automatic Updates notification.
Regarding restore points the tune up utilities 2009 told me that there
are 7 restore points but when I look at the system restore there are
only threee.
I installed SP3 just yesterday( April 17)..
BTW I remember that the command prompt box opened during the first
reboot after the installation and seems to emply errors? as I was
unable to do a print screen of it as it just appeared and vanished
quickly....
Hmm maybe its time to roll it back...?
BTW before I did this Sp3 installation on my current PC I did some
practice using other Pcs but that using the windows update
installation of the Windows Update and the update ran smoothly and the
boot up time never changed.....
Roy
> Seehttp://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33827
>
> Ideally, you would have seenhttp://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htmbefore you installed
> SP3.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>
> Roy wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > Hello Guys, after must trepidation I installed the WinXP3 update
> > now,,,,as of now I noticed not much an peculiarity except
> > 1) Drastic decrease of free space in the C drive,( by1.4 gb)
> > 2) Slow boot up time..
> > The installation took about an hour.... and I have to reboot it and
> > then thats it.
> > I am keeping my fingers crossed while I have to see what are the other
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for that ,,,but there is a notification that it needs a license
that must be purchased?
Roy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well I am unsatisfied with the installation as the boot up time
gradually increased , so there must be something wrong with the sp3
installation, So I went to control panel and Uninstal the sp3, but it
said that is erroneously uninstalled? how was that??? Anyway I went
with the uninstallation, but it seems that the removal from that Add
remove list did not sort the problem as when I checked the system
information there was still Sp3. So what I did was to do the system
restore , few days before I installed the Sp3. But there was one
pecularity after that restore, some softwares just malfunction, like
for example the kaspersky internet security which says that the file
was corrupted.
Anyway I was able to repair it by updating the files twice.
Now , I would like to replace the back up files to what I believe was
an already corrupted system files due to theinstallation and
uninstallation of Sp3 but would want to do it carefully and safely, is
there any simpler way to do it as even if I follow the wizard
Hope somebody could give me some advice on this area.
TIA
Daave
> Well I am unsatisfied with the installation as the boot up time
> gradually increased , so there must be something wrong with the sp3
> installation, So I went to control panel and Uninstal the sp3, but it
> said that is erroneously uninstalled? how was that???
Control Panel said this?! I don't follow. Perhaps Add or Remove
Programs? What and where is the *exact* message? This is why I always
recommend configuring a clean boot first!
> Anyway I went
> with the uninstallation, but it seems that the removal from that Add
> remove list did not sort the problem as when I checked the system
> information there was still Sp3.
Something (perhaps Kaspersky) must be interfering. Again, a Clean Boot
would eliminate this possibility.
> So what I did was to do the system
> restore , few days before I installed the Sp3. But there was one
> pecularity after that restore, some softwares just malfunction, like
> for example the kaspersky internet security which says that the file
> was corrupted.
Which file was corrupted? Also, Kaspersky can interfere with System
Restore as well:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html
> Anyway I was able to repair it by updating the files twice.
Repair what? Which files did you update and how did you update them?
> Now , I would like to replace the back up files to what I believe was
> an already corrupted system files due to theinstallation and
> uninstallation of Sp3 but would want to do it carefully and safely, is
> there any simpler way to do it as even if I follow the wizard
I'm a little confused. Which backup files? In an earlier post, you
stated that you:
> backed up my files dually using the Acronis tru image, as
> well as by using the System tools in a separate hard disk.
I'm not sure what you mean by the phrase "using the System tools in a
separate hard disk." And did you not make an image? Backing up files,
although better than doing nothing, is not good enough! You needed to
image your hard drive! Then all you would need to do is restore the
image. Did you not make an image?
If you didn't make an image, configure a Clean Boot environment:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
and uninstall SP3 and or run Windows System Restore to the point in time
before the SP3 upgrade.
And make an *image*!
Daave
> On Apr 18, 3:37 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seehttp://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33827
>>
>> Ideally, you would have
>> seen http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm
>> before you installed SP3.
> Thanks for that ,,,but there is a notification that it needs a license
> that must be purchased?
The clickable "Download" link is for the free version. As the page
states, "The licensed version allows for *selective deletion* [emphasis
mine] of Hotfix files and Registry entries." The clickable "Here" link
is for that.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
in-place.
Daave
I was merely pointing out to him that there is no need to purchase the
license.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
Roy
wrote:
>
> Control Panel said this?! I don't follow. Perhaps Add or Remove
> Programs? What and where is the *exact* message? This is why I always
> recommend configuring a clean boot first!
What I mean here is when I went to the add remove programs and click
uninstal the statement says that the Sp3 was already uninstalled there
was an error in that process.
> Which file was corrupted? Also, Kaspersky can interfere with System
> Repair what? Which files did you update and how did you update them?
The Kaspersky was the first one corrupted that its icon vanished from
the tool bars and even
when clicked from the start up menu it just briefly appeared with the
statement that
database was corrupted that it needs to be updated.
The second one which was corrupted was the Acronis as it just vanished
from the Add and removed programs but it still in the
program files and windows. When I clicked it was not working anymore
and said of an error so I forcibly removed it from the
program files.
As I stated I connected to the net and updated it twice to repair as
repairing it by itself was not possible as the windows instal facility
was
corrupted as well and non functioning.
After the kaspersky repair by update I did not notice the pop ups tha
the windows instal facility was corrupted, but possibly it sstill
there..
Hmm at this point supposing the windows instal is corrupted is there a
remedy for such to make it return to normal functionality?
>
> > Now , I would like to replace the back up files to what I believe was
> > an already corrupted system files due to theinstallation and
> > uninstallation of Sp3 but would want to do it carefully and safely, is
I did two back ups using the acronis and they WinXP utility in the
accessories> system tools> back up.
As the Acronis got corrupted I have to fall back t the WinXP utility.
I did try to restore but it stopped in the middleof the process saying
there is an error in the restoration...
I was wondering that possibly as the C drive is loaded, there might be
a need to format the drive or something similar so that there will
be a clean restoration of the back up files?
>
> > backed up my files dually using the Acronis tru image, as
> > well as by using the System tools in a separate hard disk.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by the phrase "using the System tools in a
> separate hard disk." And did you not make an image? Backing up files,
> although better than doing nothing, is not good enough! You needed to
> image your hard drive! Then all you would need to do is restore the
> image. Did you not make an image?
As I don't have enough space in theC drive I did the back up in the
external hard drive( also NTFS type)
> If you didn't make an image, configure a Clean Boot environment:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>
> and uninstall SP3 and or run Windows System Restore to the point in time
> before the SP3 upgrade.
I did already the System restore and that is where the error roblems
arised as mentioned in the above post
> And make an *image*!
Now as I removed already the Acronis as its corrrupted I might have to
reinstal it again to make and image, or is there
a windows facility can do the same ?
I am still digesting all the questions posted< grin>....
Daave
> On Apr 18, 11:17 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Control Panel said this?! I don't follow. Perhaps Add or Remove
>> Programs? What and where is the *exact* message? This is why I always
>> recommend configuring a clean boot first!
>
> What I mean here is when I went to the add remove programs and click
> uninstal the statement says that the Sp3 was already uninstalled there
> was an error in that process.
So, SP3 is in this list and there is a Remove button? But when you click
on the button, you get a message? What is the complete text of this
message?
And once more, did you configure a Clean Boot before attempting to
remove SP3?
Also, try Start | Run and type "winver" (without the quotes) in the box.
What Service Pack level is indicated?
> As I don't have enough space in theC drive I did the back up in the
> external hard drive( also NTFS type)
This is important information!!!
How large is C: and how much free space exists?
>> If you didn't make an image, configure a Clean Boot environment:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>>
>> and uninstall SP3 and or run Windows System Restore to the point in
>> time before the SP3 upgrade.
>
> I did already the System restore and that is where the error roblems
> arised as mentioned in the above post
But did you try System Restore after configuring a Clean Boot?
> The second one which was corrupted was the Acronis as it just vanished
> from the Add and removed programs but it still in the
> program files and windows. When I clicked it was not working anymore
> and said of an error so I forcibly removed it from the
> program files.
"Forcibly removed?" That can't be good! Sounds like you forced some
damage. How did you "forcibly remove" it?
Still need some clarification:
Did you use Acronis's imaging function or did you merely copy files and
folders? If you did the latter, that wasn't an image. But if you did,
where did you save the image archive? If you still have the archive on
an external hard drive, all you need to do is boot off the Acronis CD
and restore it.
>> And make an *image*!
>
> Now as I removed already the Acronis as its corrrupted I might have to
> reinstal it again to make and image, or is there
> a windows facility can do the same ?
Windows does not have an imaging utiliity. If you want to use a free
imaging product, try DriveImageXML:
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
But note that you need to boot off a Bart PE rescue CD in order to
restore the image.
But also note that Acronis is superior (and you already paid for it and
they do offer support). What version of Acronis are you running?
Roy
wrote:
>
> So, SP3 is in this list and there is a Remove button? But when you click
> on the button, you get a message? What is the complete text of this
> message?
was still present in the control panel that is why I removed it first
there ….
> And once more, did you configure a Clean Boot before attempting to
> remove SP3?
> Also, try Start | Run and type "winver" (without the quotes) in the box.
> What Service Pack level is indicated?
Win Xp Sp2
>
> This is important information!!!
>
> How large is C: and how much free space exists?
The C Drive had 20 GIGS and before the sp3 installation it had 4.7
gigs of free space and after the installation it only had 2.7 gigs
left
>
> >> and uninstall SP3 and or run Windows System Restore to the point in
> >> time before the SP3 upgrade.
I did that also
>
> But did you try System Restore after configuring a Clean Boot?
Hmnn ,,,no….
>
> "Forcibly removed?" That can't be good! Sounds like you forced some
> damage. How did you "forcibly remove" it?
I remove the files by deleting it from the C drive any remnants as
found in the Search option…
> Still need some clarification:
>
> Did you use Acronis's imaging function or did you merely copy files and
> folders? If you did the latter, that wasn't an image. But if you did,
> where did you save the image archive? If you still have the archive on
> an external hard drive, all you need to do is boot off the Acronis CD
> and restore it.
Well what I get was some sort of Tib files of ( complete back up)
>
> Windows does not have an imaging utiliity. If you want to use a free
> imaging product, try DriveImageXML:
>
> http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> But note that you need to boot off a Bart PE rescue CD in order to
> restore the image.
>
> But also note that Acronis is superior (and you already paid for it and
> they do offer support). What version of Acronis are you running?
The Acronis Image version was Acronis Home version 11
Daave
> On Apr 19, 10:09 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>
> wrote:
>>
>> So, SP3 is in this list and there is a Remove button? But when you
>> click on the button, you get a message? What is the complete text of
>> this message?
> IIRC, it says that Sp3 was already removed??????? How was that when it
> was still present in the control panel that is why I removed it first
> there ….
I can't answer, especially since I don't know the exact message (at
least, if we have the complete message, we can Google it). In the event
that it has been truly removed, you can always try the Windows Installer
CleanUp Utility:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301
(But if you are able to restore the Acronis image you made, you don't
even need to worry about it.)
>> And once more, did you configure a Clean Boot before attempting to
>> remove SP3?
> That is the one that I missed…..
>> Also, try Start | Run and type "winver" (without the quotes) in the
>> box. What Service Pack level is indicated?
>
> Win Xp Sp2
It sounds like SP3 has been uninstalled. :-) And again, running that
CleanUp utility mentioned above might remove that leftover entry in your
Add or Remove Programs list.
>> This is important information!!!
>>
>> How large is C: and how much free space exists?
> The C Drive had 20 GIGS and before the sp3 installation it had 4.7
> gigs of free space and after the installation it only had 2.7 gigs
> left
By today's standards, that's a *very* small hard drive! And 2.7 GB of
free space, as you know, is not enough to perform a number of actions
(System Restore being one of them, IIRC). If you plan on keeping this
PC, I would suggest replacing the hard drive with a larger one.
>>>> and uninstall SP3 and or run Windows System Restore to the point in
>>>> time before the SP3 upgrade.
> I did that also
>>
>> But did you try System Restore after configuring a Clean Boot?
> Hmnn ,,,no….
I think that your C: drive is too filled up *and* since you didn't
configure a Clean Boot (or run in Safe Mode), System Restore was unable
to function, probably because Kaspersky or some other program was
running in the background (or maybe just because you didn't have enough
free space).
>> "Forcibly removed?" That can't be good! Sounds like you forced some
>> damage. How did you "forcibly remove" it?
> I remove the files by deleting it from the C drive any remnants as
> found in the Search option…
Not good! When that happens, sometimes what you need to do is reinstall
the program so that you may uninstall it!
>> Still need some clarification:
>>
>> Did you use Acronis's imaging function or did you merely copy files
>> and folders? If you did the latter, that wasn't an image. But if you
>> did, where did you save the image archive? If you still have the
>> archive on an external hard drive, all you need to do is boot off
>> the Acronis CD and restore it.
> Well what I get was some sort of Tib files of ( complete back up)
Good. A .tib file is an image archive. Since you made this image before
you started having all these issues, what you should do is configure the
BIOS to boot off your Acronis CD and restore the image. Hopefully, the
backup archive was validated!
> The Acronis Image version was Acronis Home version 11
Sounds like a plan! Good luck. And keep in mind that once you restore
this image, all your other headaches you reported that happened after
the image was made will disappear. :-)
And when you are eventually ready to reinstall SP3 (I wouldn't do it
until after you have your larger hard drive; SP2 updates will still be
available for another year), follow Shenan's advice! Also, it's
important to make sure you don't have any programs running in the
background (that's why I always recommend configuring a Clean Boot; and
some have reported success using Safe Mode as well).
Roy
> Roy wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 10:09 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> >> So, SP3 is in this list and there is a Remove button? But when you
> >> click on the button, you get a message? What is the complete text of
> >> this message?
> > IIRC, it says that Sp3 was already removed??????? How was that when it
> > was still present in the control panel that is why I removed it first
> > there ….
>
> I can't answer, especially since I don't know the exact message (at
> least, if we have the complete message, we can Google it). In the event
> that it has been truly removed, you can always try the Windows Installer
> CleanUp Utility:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301
I willl download that utiliity for possilbe use....
>
> (But if you are able to restore the Acronis image you made, you don't
> even need to worry about it.)
>
> >> And once more, did you configure a Clean Boot before attempting to
> >> remove SP3?
> > That is the one that I missed…..
> >> Also, try Start | Run and type "winver" (without the quotes) in the
> >> box. What Service Pack level is indicated?
>
> > Win Xp Sp2
>
> It sounds like SP3 has been uninstalled. :-) And again, running that
> CleanUp utility mentioned above might remove that leftover entry in your
> Add or Remove Programs list.
>
> >> This is important information!!!
>
> >> How large is C: and how much free space exists?
> > The C Drive had 20 GIGS and before the sp3 installation it had 4.7
> > gigs of free space and after the installation it only had 2.7 gigs
> > left
>
> By today's standards, that's a *very* small hard drive! And 2.7 GB of
> free space, as you know, is not enough to perform a number of actions
> (System Restore being one of them, IIRC). If you plan on keeping this
> PC, I would suggest replacing the hard drive with a larger one.
I think that is the best way to do.....
This SONY VAIO VGN A59GP desktop replacement system that I tried to
install the SP3 is my favorite and had been with me for almost 4 years
now ....
I am just reluctant to upgrade the hard drive as I am apprehennsive
that I may not able to make a complete transfer of the C drive
recovery partition to the New HDD . Still doing plans for it also...
>
> >> But did you try System Restore after configuring a Clean Boot?
> > Hmnn ,,,no….
>
> I think that your C: drive is too filled up *and* since you didn't
> configure a Clean Boot (or run in Safe Mode), System Restore was unable
> to function, probably because Kaspersky or some other program was
> running in the background (or maybe just because you didn't have enough
> free space).
That is more likely the restore option of the Winxp through system
tools was unsuccessful
>
> Not good! When that happens, sometimes what you need to do is reinstall
> the program so that you may uninstall it!
Yes, that was my mistake , tsk tsk, tsk for being impatient with
stubborn files....
> > Well what I get was some sort of Tib files of ( complete back up)
>
> Good. A .tib file is an image archive. Since you made this image before
> you started having all these issues, what you should do is configure the
> BIOS to boot off your Acronis CD and restore the image. Hopefully, the
> backup archive was validated!
>
> > The Acronis Image version was Acronis Home version 11
>
> Sounds like a plan! Good luck. And keep in mind that once you restore
> this image, all your other headaches you reported that happened after
> the image was made will disappear. :-)
> And when you are eventually ready to reinstall SP3 (I wouldn't do it
> until after you have your larger hard drive; SP2 updates will still be
> available for another year), follow Shenan's advice! Also, it's
> important to make sure you don't have any programs running in the
> background (that's why I always recommend configuring a Clean Boot; and
> some have reported success using Safe Mode as well).
Thanks for that information Daave!
Have a nice day!
Daave
> On Apr 20, 6:46 am, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>> By today's standards, that's a *very* small hard drive! And 2.7 GB of
>> free space, as you know, is not enough to perform a number of actions
>> (System Restore being one of them, IIRC). If you plan on keeping this
>> PC, I would suggest replacing the hard drive with a larger one.
> I think that is the best way to do.....
> This SONY VAIO VGN A59GP desktop replacement system that I tried to
> install the SP3 is my favorite and had been with me for almost 4 years
> now ....
> I am just reluctant to upgrade the hard drive as I am apprehennsive
> that I may not able to make a complete transfer of the C drive
> recovery partition to the New HDD . Still doing plans for it also...
I'm not sure I follow, but all you need to do is clone the old drive;
the result will be a functionally identical new drive (including the
recovery partition), just larger. The new drive you purchase will have
cloning software you can use. Or you may use Acronis's cloning function.
> Thanks for that information Daave!
You're welcome.
> Have a nice day!
You, too!
BillW50
Daave typed on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:08:25 -0400:
Well Roy's SP3 update doesn't seem to be going well for one. And Roy's
problem of slower boots is a big no-no with me. No need for that on a
netbook. Secondly, on this Asus EeePC 4G SSD I only have 260MB free. You
need 450MB free to install SP3. I removed all Live applications which I
didn't use anyway (gave me about 100MB more free) and Add/Remove said MS
Works v9 ate up 401MB. I didn't use it, so I uninstalled and it only
gave me about 200MB more free. No way to reinstall it since it only gets
installed from a Recovery disc (which is really a Ghost v11 image - Asus
OEM Windows XP SP2). I did image the SSD before removing it, so I have
that at least.
I have trimmed everything I can think of. No Hibernation file, update
folders deleted (except the "$hf_mig$ folder"), no pagefile, System
Restore turned off, and temps moved to a Ramdisk. I used to have 1.3GB
free before installing software I wanted to have. But even the current
SP2 updates are eating up a lot of space. Soon, I am going to have to
stop updating this computer since I just won't have the room for the
future ones anyway.
Which brings me to my next point. While I can see the importance of
plugging up security holes. But anything you don't want on your system
has to make it through your firewall and anti-virus first anyway. Thus
since the anti-virus is looking for and blocking the software that wants
to take advantage of the security holes, why bother patching the holes
anyway?
I do have other netbooks and other computers with SP2 which has a lot of
room to install SP3. But since it just doesn't seem that important on
this 4GB, I don't see it as important for the rest of my computers
either. Getting about 6 computers to SP2 was a disaster for me. As it
worked, but performance went down the tubes. I could only get SP2 to
work well by using a Windows XP SP2 install disc. Or by an OEM version
with SP2 already applied. The last thing I need is a repeat of the same.
Sadly, there are no SP3 Home install discs available this time around.
Daave
> Sadly, there are no SP3 Home install discs available this time around.
Yes, there are. I have one! Although there are no Retail CDs with SP3,
there are certainly OEM CDs with SP3 (that's what I have: a generic OEM
XP Home installatin CD). Even Dell OEM CDs (w/ SP3) exist!
Furthermore, once can *create* his or her own installation CD w/ SP3 by
the slipstreaming process.
Daave
> Well Roy's SP3 update doesn't seem to be going well for one.
That's because he neglected to totally disable an antivirus program.
> Secondly, on this Asus EeePC 4G SSD I only have 260MB free.
I would never buy a laptop with such a small amount (4GB, correct?) of
storage space! I'm surprised they even exist.
Terry R.
Daave pounded out on the keyboard:
It's a lap "tot", not laptop. ;-) Meant for web surfing & email. Not
much else unless you use external storage.
Terry R.
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olfart
<snip>
> I have trimmed everything I can think of. No Hibernation file, update
> folders deleted (except the "$hf_mig$ folder"), no pagefile, System
> Restore turned off, and temps moved to a Ramdisk. I used to have 1.3GB
> free before installing software I wanted to have. But even the current SP2
> updates are eating up a lot of space. Soon, I am going to have to stop
> updating this computer since I just won't have the room for the future
> ones anyway.
>
> Which brings me to my next point. While I can see the importance of
> plugging up security holes. But anything you don't want on your system has
> to make it through your firewall and anti-virus first anyway. Thus since
> the anti-virus is looking for and blocking the software that wants to take
> advantage of the security holes, why bother patching the holes anyway?
>
> I do have other netbooks and other computers with SP2 which has a lot of
> room to install SP3. But since it just doesn't seem that important on this
> 4GB, I don't see it as important for the rest of my computers either.
> Getting about 6 computers to SP2 was a disaster for me. As it worked, but
> performance went down the tubes. I could only get SP2 to work well by
> using a Windows XP SP2 install disc. Or by an OEM version with SP2 already
> applied. The last thing I need is a repeat of the same. Sadly, there are
> no SP3 Home install discs available this time around.
>
> --
> Bill
> Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
> Windows XP SP2
Jusst can't figure what's using your C Drive space. My eee701 has a full
install of XPHome SP3 with all the latest updates, plus MS Works 4.0 and a
bunch of other progs and I'm using 2,8gb with 1.2gb free. My only big
program is Garmin GPS using about 1.8gb and I have that on D along with temp
files, docs, etc.
If you want I'll run Belarc Advisor and email you a copy. I think I still
have your email addy.
John John - MVP
> The date and time was Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:33:17 PM, and on a whim,
> Daave pounded out on the keyboard:
>
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>> Well Roy's SP3 update doesn't seem to be going well for one.
>>
>> That's because he neglected to totally disable an antivirus program.
>>
>>> Secondly, on this Asus EeePC 4G SSD I only have 260MB free.
>>
>> I would never buy a laptop with such a small amount (4GB, correct?) of
>> storage space! I'm surprised they even exist.
>>
>
> It's a lap "tot", not laptop.
or a laptoy... Around here one of the major bank was giving them away
for free if you opened an account with them. Most people said they
wanted a free toaster instead...
John
Ken Blake, MVP
Regardless of what you call it, I think they're great and something I
yearn for. They are small and light, and therefore easy to carry.
Since I use my laptop for almost nothing but E-mail when I'm
traveling, it would be ideal for me.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Frank Holman
John John - MVP
Which part is not believable? That a bank was giving them away for free
or that people wanted free toasters instead?
They had one on display at my branch during the promotion. I didn't get
one I was already a customer, this was for new customers... who hadn't
already received a free toaster!
John
BillW50
Daave typed on Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:33:17 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>
>> Well Roy's SP3 update doesn't seem to be going well for one.
>
> That's because he neglected to totally disable an antivirus program.
That could explain why upgrading to SP2 was hell for me. One would think
as big and wonderful Microsoft is, they would run a verify and make sure
everything is going to plan. And if it doesn't, to report back and guess
what is going wrong. But I guess Microsoft programmers are as dumb as
nails. I am just a simple electronic engineer and that seems to be
programming 101 to me. But I am just a hardware engineer who only
understands 1's and 0's. <grin>
>> Secondly, on this Asus EeePC 4G SSD I only have 260MB free.
>
> I would never buy a laptop with such a small amount (4GB, correct?) of
> storage space! I'm surprised they even exist.
4GB was just fine just before the updates came. Then the space
disappears really fast. My 8GB (with SP2) netbooks are still enjoying
over 1GB of free space. But in a year or two, that won't be enough
either.
Personally I love computing with only 10 watts of power. And anything
less would be more wonderful. So this is as low as I can safely go and
still get the job done. The only things I can't get these netbooks to do
well is flight simulators, edit large video/audio files, and keep up
with Windows updates (well for 4GB anyway for now). Otherwise they are
doing just fine. Sure beats those low powered PDAs I have been using. No
wonder they are selling in the millions, eh? <grin>
BillW50
olfart typed on Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:58:49 -0400:
> <snip>
>> I have trimmed everything I can think of. No Hibernation file, update
>> folders deleted (except the "$hf_mig$ folder"), no pagefile, System
>> Restore turned off, and temps moved to a Ramdisk. I used to have
>> 1.3GB free before installing software I wanted to have. But even the
>> current SP2 updates are eating up a lot of space. Soon, I am going
>> to have to stop updating this computer since I just won't have the
>> room for the future ones anyway.
>>
>> Which brings me to my next point. While I can see the importance of
>> plugging up security holes. But anything you don't want on your
>> system has to make it through your firewall and anti-virus first
>> anyway. Thus since the anti-virus is looking for and blocking the
>> software that wants to take advantage of the security holes, why
>> bother patching the holes anyway? I do have other netbooks and other
>> computers with SP2 which has a
>> lot of room to install SP3. But since it just doesn't seem that
>> important on this 4GB, I don't see it as important for the rest of
>> my computers either. Getting about 6 computers to SP2 was a disaster
>> for me. As it worked, but performance went down the tubes. I could
>> only get SP2 to work well by using a Windows XP SP2 install disc. Or
>> by an OEM version with SP2 already applied. The last thing I need is
>> a repeat of the same. Sadly, there are no SP3 Home install discs
>> available this time around. --
>> Bill
>
> Jusst can't figure what's using your C Drive space. My eee701 has a
> full install of XPHome SP3 with all the latest updates, plus MS Works
> 4.0 and a bunch of other progs and I'm using 2,8gb with 1.2gb free.
> My only big program is Garmin GPS using about 1.8gb and I have that
> on D along with temp files, docs, etc.
> If you want I'll run Belarc Advisor and email you a copy. I think I
> still have your email addy.
Hi olfart! Well on the EeePCs, I am working with the OEM version of
Windows XP SP2. I do have retail versions of XP that I never tried with
these, so that might make a big difference. My biggest beef is the wave
of endless Windows updates. The last SP2 wave didn't seem like too much,
sounded like 20MB or so. But it must have been 100MB or more after
installation.
You mentioned MS Works v4. I believe I have that or at least v4.5
somewhere. I could actually get to love MS Works except for the fact it
doesn't support macros. It seems that MS has been holding that part back
for some reason. Which forces me to MS Office. Which always had this
feature.
I do have some paid version of Belarc Advisor, but I have to dig to find
it. It is probably a year or two old. Is that good enough?
Roy
> BillW50 wrote:
> > Well Roy's SP3 update doesn't seem to be going well for one.
>
> That's because he neglected to totally disable an antivirus program.
No, I disabled the kaspersky before I did that update procedure.....
But one thing that keeps me thinking if the space for the hard drive
for such is just less than 2 gig then how come my C drive which had
4.7 GB of free space before the Sp3 intal would pose a problem?
BillW50
news:f6a18f2c-e442-47ce...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com,
Roy typed on Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:22:21 -0700 (PDT):
Microsoft declares that SP3 will use no more than 500MB when everything
is all said and done. MS Works said in Add/Remove that it ate up 401MB.
So I removed it and I only got back less than 200MB. So Roy, it seems
very clear to me that the people at Microsoft knows nothing about math.
Otherwise how do you explain this nonsense? I expect this nonsense from
things like Linux (which freeware means you have nobody to complain
too), but Microsoft should know better!
Daave
> On Apr 22, 6:33 am, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> Well Roy's SP3 update doesn't seem to be going well for one.
>>
>> That's because he neglected to totally disable an antivirus program.
>
> No, I disabled the kaspersky before I did that update procedure.....
I might be confusing you with another poster, then, who thought he had
completely disabled his AV but one of its processes ran anyway. If so,
sorry about that. But still, didn't you tell me you didn't configure a
Clean Boot? If that's the case, there's still the possibility that
*something* interfered with the installation in some way. I'm not saying
that that's what definitively happened, but the possibility certainly
exists.
> But one thing that keeps me thinking if the space for the hard drive
> for such is just less than 2 gig then how come my C drive which had
> 4.7 GB of free space before the Sp3 intal would pose a problem?
Although 4.7 GB is not *lots* of free space, it still should have been
enough; that is, it probably didn't pose any problem. I think the reason
you lost an extra 2-3 GB was the colossal restore point that was set
automatically. If you have less than 2 GB of free space now, that will
lead to all sorts of problems.
Were you able to boot off the Acronis CD and restore the image? That
would at least take you back to a more stable point where you have your
4.7 GB of free space once more.
Roy
> Roy wrote:
But still, didn't you tell me you didn't configure a
> Clean Boot? If that's the case, there's still the possibility that
> *something* interfered with the installation in some way. I'm not saying
> that that's what definitively happened, but the possibility certainly
> exists.
I did a Clean Boot twice after i installed that Sp3..
> > But one thing that keeps me thinking if the space for the hard drive
> > for such is just less than 2 gig then how come my C drive which had
> > 4.7 GB of free space before the Sp3 intal would pose a problem?
>
> Although 4.7 GB is not *lots* of free space, it still should have been
> enough; that is, it probably didn't pose any problem. I think the reason
> you lost an extra 2-3 GB was the colossal restore point that was set
> automatically. If you have less than 2 GB of free space now, that will
> lead to all sorts of problems.
Well after I installed the Sp3, the accumulated restore points amounts
to more than a gig in size.
>
> Were you able to boot off the Acronis CD and restore the image? That
> would at least take you back to a more stable point where you have your
> 4.7 GB of free space once more.
When the acronis produced bugs, and it nonfunctional after the system
restore I remove it and have not reiinstalled it yet.
BTw, supposing the Acronis is running what is the best way to restore
the image to the C drive, do I have to format the C partition and
reinstall the image. Well I am not familiar with reinstallation of
such acronis image on a formatted or similarly prepared hard drive, or
is there a need for such...?
Another related question, how about the back up of system tools which
is similar in size to the acronis image what is the best way to apply
a restore to to the C drive...?
What are the requirements for that to be properly restored or
installed?
Roy
Is there an easy and surefire way to to such, I am thinking in that
direction also
Roy
> Innews:f6a18f2c-e442-47ce...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com,
are the restore points and back ups created as an outgrowth to the
instal?
Daave
> On Apr 22, 9:12 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>
> But still, didn't you tell me you didn't configure a
>> Clean Boot? If that's the case, there's still the possibility that
>> *something* interfered with the installation in some way. I'm not
>> saying that that's what definitively happened, but the possibility
>> certainly exists.
>
> I did a Clean Boot twice after i installed that Sp3..
The Clean Boot needs to be done *before* the installation!
(An alternative is to boot into Safe Mode to install SP3.)
>>> But one thing that keeps me thinking if the space for the hard drive
>>> for such is just less than 2 gig then how come my C drive which had
>>> 4.7 GB of free space before the Sp3 intal would pose a problem?
>>
>> Although 4.7 GB is not *lots* of free space, it still should have
>> been enough; that is, it probably didn't pose any problem. I think
>> the reason you lost an extra 2-3 GB was the colossal restore point
>> that was set automatically. If you have less than 2 GB of free space
>> now, that will lead to all sorts of problems.
>
> Well after I installed the Sp3, the accumulated restore points amounts
> to more than a gig in size.
>>
>> Were you able to boot off the Acronis CD and restore the image? That
>> would at least take you back to a more stable point where you have
>> your
>> 4.7 GB of free space once more.
>
> When the acronis produced bugs, and it nonfunctional after the system
> restore I remove it and have not reiinstalled it yet.
You shouldn't reinstall Acronis now. In fact, there may be no need to
reinstall it at all once you restore your image.
> BTw, supposing the Acronis is running what is the best way to restore
> the image to the C drive, do I have to format the C partition and
> reinstall the image. Well I am not familiar with reinstallation of
> such acronis image on a formatted or similarly prepared hard drive, or
> is there a need for such...?
When you use the phrase "supposing the Acronis is running," it sounds as
if you are referring to a hypothetical where you are running Windows and
you start Acronis. That is *not* what you want to do!
There is no need to format anything. Simply boot off the Acronis CD and
choose restore. Navigate to the location where the good .tib file is
located. Then indicate where you want that restored to. That simple!
> Another related question, how about the back up of system tools which
> is similar in size to the acronis image what is the best way to apply
> a restore to to the C drive...?
I still don't know what you mean by the phrase "the back up of system
tools." The bottom line is if your Acronis image archive is good, that
is *all* you need. If you're referring to XP's own ntbackup program,
it's not necessary (as long as the Acronis image is a good one).
Unknown
"> That could explain why upgrading to SP2 was hell for me. One would think
> as big and wonderful Microsoft is, they would run a verify and make sure
> everything is going to plan. And if it doesn't, to report back and guess
> what is going wrong. But I guess Microsoft programmers are as dumb as
> nails. I am just a simple electronic engineer and that seems to be
> programming 101 to me. But I am just a hardware engineer who only
> understands 1's and 0's. <grin>
>
existence would
you hazard a guess as to total time for release?
BillW50
Unknown typed on Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:22:03 -0500:
Having an update do a verify has nothing to do with testing against all
programs in existence. What screws up updates is that some parts are not
really saved to the hard drive. A simple verify would catch this.
BillW50
news:d99f4fc9-9fa5-4d48...@f19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com,
Roy typed on Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:15:04 -0700 (PDT):
Yes in your case, this is most likely true. Although in my case on my
netbooks, System Restore is turned off. Although I do make Ghost images
of the 4GB SSD. It only takes 7 minutes. And I routinely sync the data
files between other computers.
Unknown
The verification would be far more complex. Think about all the various
system configurations, fragmented files etc. etc.
"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
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BillW50
Unknown typed on Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:00:58 -0500:
> They would have to verify updates against many virus and malware
> programs. The verification would be far more complex. Think about all
> the various system configurations, fragmented files etc. etc.
Not so. When you burn a CD/DVD you can do a verify to see if everything
got written correctly. Same idea with Windows Updates. Even the commands
Copy and Xcopy has verify switches. It is very simple to implement.
Unknown
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BillW50
Unknown typed on Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:02:58 -0500:
No, what I am saying Windows Update should do a verify to make sure
everything was written correctly. Or at least give you the choice. What
it does now is it just assumes it was written correctly. That is just
bad programming practice.
Unknown
multitude of computer configurations
If it were a simple program it would be easy but an update?????? .
"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
BillW50
Unknown typed on Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:10:17 -0500:
No, not so. Say the update wants to change the xyz.dll file. It
overwrites it and then verifies to see if it was really written. If not,
something blocked it like an anti-virus program. It has nothing to do
with multiple configurations.
Roy
wrote:
> Roy wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 9:12 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
> > I did a Clean Boot twice after i installed that Sp3..
>
> The Clean Boot needs to be done *before* the installation!
>
> (An alternative is to boot into Safe Mode to install SP3.)
>
Not sure if that is universally applicable for any Sp3 installation,
as I installed Sp3 on one of my workplace computer and it was a
trouble free installation . It was done a week before I did with my
personal PC..
> When you use the phrase "supposing the Acronis is running," it sounds as
> if you are referring to a hypothetical where you are running Windows and
> you start Acronis. That is *not* what you want to do!
Thanks for that info
>
> There is no need to format anything. Simply boot off the Acronis CD and
> choose restore. Navigate to the location where the good .tib file is
> located. Then indicate where you want that restored to. That simple!
So this Acronis Back up would overwrite the Tib file over the existing
file in the C drive?
Roy
wrote:
>
> > I did a Clean Boot twice after i installed that Sp3..
>
> The Clean Boot needs to be done *before* the installation!
>
> (An alternative is to boot into Safe Mode to install SP3.)
What I mean by my recent post is I did the Sp3 installation without
even using the Clean Boot and the Safe Mode in its installation and
it was smooth...
Daave
I don't doubt it at all. SP3 installations usually work without any
issues whatsoever.
Still, configuring a Clean Boot (or using Safe Mode) is very easy to do.
And in those relatively rare instances where a particular program would
otherwise interfere, using this "best practices" method eliminates that
possibility. That is why many of us recommend it. :-)
Daave
No.
In fact it doesn't matter at all what is on this drive. You can even use
a brand new one if you wish! Restoring the image file recreates the
complete structure (everything: OS, programs, data, all the directories
where they belong) of your hard drive the exact way it was when you made
the image.
Terry R.
John John - MVP pounded out on the keyboard:
LOL!
Terry R.
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