OE6.0 compact question
Dudley Henriques
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if
it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques
Alias
It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE sets the
count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it
for months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you
can delete the items in the recycle bin.
Alias
Steve Cochran
Its a new patch to protect the message store when compacting. See
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
steve
"Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.
--
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http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.
Dudley Henriques
DH
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Dudley Henriques
DH
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Dudley Henriques
My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of compacting
every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down my system. Does
this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after compacting and check
every folder to see that messages are still intact, then go into the recycle
bin and empty it? That will mean I have to go back and open each and every
folder on the bar to see if it's showing messages, and even then I won't
know if they are ALL there.
Am I missing something here? :-)))))
Dudley
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franks...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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Alias
> Thanks Frank;
>
> My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of compacting
> every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down my system. Does
> this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after compacting and check
> every folder to see that messages are still intact, then go into the recycle
> bin and empty it? That will mean I have to go back and open each and every
> folder on the bar to see if it's showing messages, and even then I won't
> know if they are ALL there.
> Am I missing something here? :-)))))
> Dudley
You can wait until the morning but don't empty the recycle bin until
you've checked. That said, I always back up OE before compacting with
another OE back up program. Chances are, nothing will be missing unless,
for example, the lights go off when you're in the middle of compacting
or if you foolishly stop the compacting by doing a reboot in the middle
of the process or try to do something else like surf the web when it's
in process. When compacting, you should not even touch your mouse or
keyboard until it's done. I have never lost messages from compacting (or
anything else for that matter).
Alias
Dudley Henriques
not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one thing before
opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing open save
processes running in the background. When I compact at night, everything is
closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off line.
I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave the
recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day, always
working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow the next day
to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and compact for the next
day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave again for a repeat the next
day. In other words, work OE each day, but work the recycle bin one day
later all the time.
Sound feasible?
Dudley
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
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Alias
> That's my procedure as well. My normal method of using the computer is to
> not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one thing before
> opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing open save
> processes running in the background. When I compact at night, everything is
> closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off line.
> I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
> method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave the
> recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day, always
> working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow the next day
> to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and compact for the next
> day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave again for a repeat the next
> day. In other words, work OE each day, but work the recycle bin one day
> later all the time.
> Sound feasible?
> Dudley
Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express
at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you,
go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line
and disabling/enabling the folder tree.
Alias
Dudley Henriques
guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
Dudley
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
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Bruce Hagen
Outlook Express so no active folder is open.
--
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MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~
"Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Alias
> I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I
> guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
> Dudley
I don't really know. I read it on an MVP's OE site and have done it ever
since. Perhaps it isn't necessary but it can't hurt ;-)
Doug
-
Alias: One of the goofiest schemes that Microsoft has come up
with in a while. What on earth has happened?...these guys are
nuts. Filling up my computer with a whole bunch of useless
backups which I didn't want or ask for is just plain dumb.
I know, the MVPs will say...well if you don't like the patch,
then uninstall it. I say, if they are going to re-program OE or
patch it, then do it correctly, not with stupid easy routines
that don't really correct things but just mask them or give you
an out if things go wrong.
In the meantime, put up with this BS, and for gawds sake don't
complain...as it will do no good.
Doug W.
-
Alias
I prefer the OT Tool and using OE Freebie Backup myself. When I
reformat, that feature will not be a part of my downloads.
Alias
Heather
Thank goodness I read thru the posts. I just discovered 550 meg of
backed up OE stuff in my Delete Bin and wondered what in h*ll was going
on. I had removed IE7 (ptui!!) a few days ago and thought that was the
culprit.
NO.....MS in its infinite wisdom has seen fit to spring yet another
surprise on us without mentioning what will happen. (VBG)
OK....now I will go and delete all of these *.bak files now that I see
you guys are OK with that......I think. I will await your approval, Sir
Stevie.
And will also clean out the excess **** from my Inbox and Outbox (PA
Bear knows I am bad with that, grin).
Merry Christmas to all of the MVP's on here that I have known for a
decade (almost). Elayne and I still laugh at what she did to your cat
way back when, Steve. (eyeball)
Cheers....Heather/Figgs
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Heather
to time. My (hopefully) once a year problem usually....lol.
Best.....Heather
"Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Bruce Hagen
MS did this. I would download CCleaner. You can empty the Recycle Bin, TIFs,
History, Cookies and more with a click of the mouse. It can also be set to
run at startup and do this automatically.
CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~
"Doug" <stand@attention> wrote in message
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Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
> Thanks Frank;
>
> My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of compacting
> every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down my system.
> Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after compacting and
> check every folder to see that messages are still intact, then go into the
> recycle bin and empty it? That will mean I have to go back and open each
> and every folder on the bar to see if it's showing messages, and even then
> I won't know if they are ALL there.
No. As long as you do not interrupt the compacting process by shutting down
the machine before compacting finished you should be all right, especially
if you click File | Work Offline first.
Ken A
question you did. Glad to see the answer even before I ask the question.
Ken A.
"Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques
seems. Time marches on.
It seems one thing never changes. Sooner or later all of us end up back here
trying to figure out what the hell Microsoft has changed and sprung on us
this week :-)))))
A very Merry Christmas to you as well, and keep in touch once in a while.
Old friends are good friends.
Dudley
Dudley Henriques
[MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator
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Dudley Henriques
DH
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Dudley Henriques
DH
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Dudley Henriques
I'll be doing it as well.
DH
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mae
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mae
"Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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| Thanks Bruce, I'll just click on OE before compacting.
| DH
|
| "Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
| news:%239CrnNG...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to click
on
| > Outlook Express so no active folder is open.
| > --
| > Bruce Hagen
| > MS-MVP Outlook Express
| > ~IB-CA~
| >
| > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
| > news:eidGNBGI...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| >> I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered
I
| >> guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
| >> Dudley
| >>
| >>
| >> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
| >> news:%23Zd4B2F...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
-snip
| >>> Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook
Express
| >>> at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like
you,
| >>> go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line
-snip much
| >>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
| >>>> news:uMDmWdFI...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >>>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
| >>>>>> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franks...@mvps.org> wrote in
| >>>>>> message news:82D1C2FD-CB8A-4FAC...@microsoft.com...
| >>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
| >>>>>>> news:OOn55vA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Dudley Henriques
downloading into a folder like the inbox as you are compacting. The way I
use OE might be preventing this anyway, as I am configured to check for mail
and everything else for that matter manually. In other words, I don't use
ANY automatic downloads on my system.
Just an individual preference I guess, but it seems to work for me.
I'm not all that savvy on OE, so I have a tendency to do what the folks in
the know suggest. I can't think of anything that clicking on the OE folder
does for me in my scenario, but I'll usually do things that Frank and the
folks suggest anyway just in case they know something I might have missed
:-))
DH
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PA Bear
thread in AumHa Forums! <eg>
Heather wrote:
> Thank goodness I read thru the posts. I just discovered 550 meg of
> backed up OE stuff in my Delete Bin and wondered what in h*ll was going
> on. I had removed IE7 (ptui!!) a few days ago and thought that was the
> culprit....
Heather
have known at least 5 of these guys.....back from my Win95 Compaq black
box days. I was so naive!! I've come a long way, Pooh Bear, grin!!
"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Harvey Fenwick Lung
wrote:
>Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues
>> with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
>> Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I
>> manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
>> Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
>> settings and this has never happened before.
>> If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if
>> it's an issue please.
>> Thank you
>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>>
>
>It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE sets the
>count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
>recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it
>for months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you
>can delete the items in the recycle bin.
>
>Alias
I also noticed a bunch of BAK files after compacting. I had a Windows
Update a few days ago,
How does one disable this wonderfil feature (backup files to Recycle
Bin)?
Bruce Hagen
majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain when they
are lost.
I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc. Whatever you
choose. It can also be set to run at startup.
CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~
"Harvey Fenwick Lung" <H...@null.net> wrote in message
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Harvey Fenwick Lung
<Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote:
>You can't unless you remove the update. It was added as a benefit for the
>majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain when they
>are lost.
>
>I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
>empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc. Whatever you
>choose. It can also be set to run at startup.
>
>CCleaner:
>http://www.ccleaner.com/
<Groan>.... it's amazing how everyone just accepts that it does what
it does. They should have sent the files to a "backup" folder, not the
darn recycle bin.,... only 1 set of files, overwrite the old ones if
the data is good.
Someone will come up with a registry hack to disable, I hope.
Bruce Hagen
I was told awhile back that a second compaction was going to overwrite the
first, but obviously it doesn't.
See the section outlined in red here for more info:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
Harvey Fenwick Lung
<Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote:
>
>"Harvey Fenwick Lung" <H...@null.net> wrote in message
>news:dvv8o2hu3h72ldd98...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:17:35 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
>> <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>You can't unless you remove the update. It was added as a benefit for the
>>>majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain when
>>>they
>>>are lost.
>>>
>>>I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
>>>empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc. Whatever
>>>you
>>>choose. It can also be set to run at startup.
>>>
>>>CCleaner:
>>>http://www.ccleaner.com/
>>
>> <Groan>.... it's amazing how everyone just accepts that it does what
>> it does. They should have sent the files to a "backup" folder, not the
>> darn recycle bin.,... only 1 set of files, overwrite the old ones if
>> the data is good.
>>
>> Someone will come up with a registry hack to disable, I hope.
>>
>
>I was told awhile back that a second compaction was going to overwrite the
>first, but obviously it doesn't.
>
>See the section outlined in red here for more info:
>www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
I've had Outlook Express on this and my previous computer for about 7
years- even brought my dbx files over from the old computer,
I compact all folders almost every time I get/delete/send e-mail and
I haven't had any file corruption issues. I have a backup set of dbx
files, but I have to remember to refresh them regularly. I suppose
there's always a chance for corruption (power outage while compacting
or receiving), but I feel that Microsoft should have handled this
differently.
Michael Santovec
to build the logic into OE to look for the hack.
For what it's worth, I do a compact once a week just before I do my
weekly backup. Unless you are deleting thousands of messages per day
(or perhaps hundreds with binaries), and very low on free disk space,
more often compacting is of minimal value. I also have my recycle bin
sorted on date deleted. Then whenever I think about it (perhaps every
few weeks) I delete items from the recycle bin that were deleted more
than a few weeks ago.
--
Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
"Harvey Fenwick Lung" <H...@null.net> wrote in message
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XRaySpeX
unexpected change of functionality. The whole purpose of Compaction is to
save space; instead M/Soft has done the contradictory action and consumed yet
more space by copying the whole of OE's message store rather than just
freeing up the unused space within it. Furthermore, they have multiplied the
waste by saving yet another copy of the whole store FOR EACH TIME you Compact.
They should have made this action optional by adding a parameter in OE's
Options or at least the Registry. At the very least, they should have removed
the previous set of .bak files in the Recycle Bin when they back up for the
latest Compaction, so as not to proliferate the problem.
Doug
they tee me off.
Doug W.
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PA Bear
Why we MVPs asked for it for many, many years:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone;
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
+26,000 instances where messages have gone missing during/after compacting:
http://snipurl.com/156d5
The behavior was first introduced earlier this year with the 918766 patch.
We've been telling everyone here that this patch would be included in the
next Cumulative Update for OE: http://snipurl.com/156du
NB: With 923694 (MS06-076) installed, you do NOT need to install 918766, nor
would installing it succeed.
See Notes section of http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 for
documentation of this behavior and how to recover your messages using the
BAK files. (IMHO, this documentation and more should be spelled out in
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=923694 but I'm not holding my breath.)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
Dudley Henriques
I've been manually compacting OE for years when I close the computer each
night. It's the last thing I do actually.
I have created several archive folders on the bar and regularly transfer
files out of the sent folder into this archive folder.
I use no automatic download features at all on my system, so hopefully
nothing is downloaded when OE is being manually compacted so I avoid
corruption this way (knock on wood at least :-)
This new update I guess wouldn't affect me using OE the way I do, but it's
no big deal to have the baks put into the recycle bin when I compact. I know
this procedure probably helps a lot of people so I can live with it :-)
DH
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Dudley.
--
~PA Bear
Dudley Henriques
something is a good idea and has basis for implementation, it's usually
after they have studied it and worked with it for a protracted period and
see it as a general improvement in the program.
Dudley
Dudley Henriques
[MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator
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Dudley Henriques
Dudley
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Dudley Henriques
happens around then. Should prove to be an interesting month for all of us.
:-)
DH
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Gary S. Terhune
upgraded (hardware, not software) and ready for prime time, I'm going to
load that back in. Any suggestions for control hardware?
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite
Dudley Henriques
As for controllers, I use CH Products after testing almost everything else
out here. They are stable, realistic, and will function right out of DirextX
with no additional software (unless you want it)
DH
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MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite
Mary Roberson
Mary Roberson
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Mary Roberson
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Mary Roberson
Mary Roberson
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I
>> guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
>> Dudley
>
> since. Perhaps it isn't necessary but it can't hurt ;-)
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
>> news:%23Zd4B2F...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> That's my procedure as well. My normal method of using the computer is
>>>> to not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one
>>>> thing before opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing
>>>> open save processes running in the background. When I compact at night,
>>>> everything is closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off
>>>> line.
>>>> I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
>>>> method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave
>>>> the recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day,
>>>> always working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow
>>>> the next day to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and
>>>> compact for the next day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave
>>>> again for a repeat the next day. In other words, work OE each day, but
>>>> work the recycle bin one day later all the time.
>>>> Sound feasible?
>>>> Dudley
>>> Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express
>>> at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you,
>>> go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
>>>> news:uMDmWdFI...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of
>>>>>> compacting every night. I do this as the last thing before closing
>>>>>> down my system. Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night
>>>>>> after compacting and check every folder to see that messages are
>>>>>> still intact, then go into the recycle bin and empty it? That will
>>>>>> mean I have to go back and open each and every folder on the bar to
>>>>>> see if it's showing messages, and even then I won't know if they are
>>>>>> ALL there.
>>>>>> Am I missing something here? :-)))))
>>>>>> Dudley
>>>>> You can wait until the morning but don't empty the recycle bin until
>>>>> you've checked. That said, I always back up OE before compacting with
>>>>> another OE back up program. Chances are, nothing will be missing
>>>>> unless, for example, the lights go off when you're in the middle of
>>>>> compacting or if you foolishly stop the compacting by doing a reboot
>>>>> in the middle of the process or try to do something else like surf the
>>>>> web when it's in process. When compacting, you should not even touch
>>>>> your mouse or keyboard until it's done. I have never lost messages
>>>>> from compacting (or anything else for that matter).
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franks...@mvps.org> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:82D1C2FD-CB8A-4FAC...@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:OOn55vA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
>>>>>>>> Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle
>>>>>>>> bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK
>>>>>>>> extension.
>>>>>>>> Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've
>>>>>>>> changed any settings and this has never happened before.
>>>>>>>> If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
>>>>>>>> correct it if it's an issue please.
>>>>>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
>>>>>>> http://www.fjsmjs.com
>>>>>>> Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
Mary Roberson
>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>> I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
>>>> issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
>>>> Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
>>>> as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
>>>> Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
>>>> any settings and this has never happened before.
>>>> If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
>>>> it if it's an issue please.
>>>> Thank you
>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>
>>> count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
>>> recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it
>>> for months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you
>>> can delete the items in the recycle bin.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> -
>> Alias: One of the goofiest schemes that Microsoft has come up with in a
>> while. What on earth has happened?...these guys are nuts. Filling up my
>> computer with a whole bunch of useless backups which I didn't want or ask
>> for is just plain dumb.
>>
>> I know, the MVPs will say...well if you don't like the patch, then
>> uninstall it. I say, if they are going to re-program OE or patch it, then
>> do it correctly, not with stupid easy routines that don't really correct
>> things but just mask them or give you an out if things go wrong.
>>
>> In the meantime, put up with this BS, and for gawds sake don't
>> complain...as it will do no good.
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
> I prefer the OT Tool and using OE Freebie Backup myself. When I reformat,
> that feature will not be a part of my downloads.
>
> Alias
Mary Roberson
"XRaySpeX" <XRay...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Mary Roberson
"Ken A" <nospaml@nospamnet> wrote in message
news:uBnYNaKI...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I also just had this happen. I came to the newsgroup to ask the same
>question you did. Glad to see the answer even before I ask the question.
>
> Ken A.> news:%23PM%236IFIH...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks. I had no idea what was going on :-)
>> DH
Mary Roberson
"Doug" <stand@attention> wrote in message
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Mary Roberson
>I /knew/ I shoulda checked this newsgroup first before replying to your
>thread in AumHa Forums! <eg>
>
> Heather wrote:
>> Thank goodness I read thru the posts. I just discovered 550 meg of
>> backed up OE stuff in my Delete Bin and wondered what in h*ll was going
>> on. I had removed IE7 (ptui!!) a few days ago and thought that was the
>> culprit....
>
Mary Roberson
>> Thanks Frank;
>>
>> My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of compacting
>> every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down my system.
>> Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after compacting and
>> check every folder to see that messages are still intact, then go into
>> the recycle bin and empty it? That will mean I have to go back and open
>> each and every folder on the bar to see if it's showing messages, and
>> even then I won't know if they are ALL there.
>
>
> down the machine before compacting finished you should be all right,
> especially if you click File | Work Offline first.
Mary Roberson
"Ken A" <nospaml@nospamnet> wrote in message
news:uBnYNaKI...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I also just had this happen. I came to the newsgroup to ask the same
>question you did. Glad to see the answer even before I ask the question.
>
> Ken A.
>
>
XRaySpeX
PA Bear
Antioch
> Thanks, & BTW, congrats on your MVP award.
>
Hello Dudley
I would like to add my 'well done' to your award.
Rgds
Antioch
Steve Cochran
Hope you have happy holidays also.
I've got a 20 pounder now. You don't want a similar picture of him. <G>
cheers,
steve
"Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:uKpGiQII...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Little Stevie Wonder!!
>
> Thank goodness I read thru the posts. I just discovered 550 meg of backed
> up OE stuff in my Delete Bin and wondered what in h*ll was going on. I
> had removed IE7 (ptui!!) a few days ago and thought that was the culprit.
>
> NO.....MS in its infinite wisdom has seen fit to spring yet another
> surprise on us without mentioning what will happen. (VBG)
>
> OK....now I will go and delete all of these *.bak files now that I see you
> guys are OK with that......I think. I will await your approval, Sir
> Stevie.
>
> And will also clean out the excess **** from my Inbox and Outbox (PA Bear
> knows I am bad with that, grin).
>
> Merry Christmas to all of the MVP's on here that I have known for a decade
> (almost). Elayne and I still laugh at what she did to your cat way back
> when, Steve. (eyeball)
>
> Cheers....Heather/Figgs
> "Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:866AEB4A-B65C-4DEB...@microsoft.com...
>> Hi Dudley,
>>
>> Its a new patch to protect the message store when compacting. See
>> www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenr...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:OOn55vA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Steve Cochran
teed off if you have lost all your messages during compaction.
Here's what I posted earlier:
Let me briefly enter into this thread after reading the whole thing and give
you a little background so you understand why things were done this way.
1. Background: Since OE5 was introduced with the dbx file structure (ca
1998) there have been innumerable instances where users have lost their
messages unexpectedly. It became apparent to those of us in the newsgroups
that this was likely due to two major issues. One was OE triggering
compaction of its folders in the background that grabbed 100% of the CPU and
slowed down the computer. Users would endtask OE to stop this or the
computer might shut down in the process and messages were lost. The other
issue was antivirus software interfering with OE and destroying the users'
messages. Both issues still prevail. See www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx and #2
and #3
Our mantra became "Turn off background compaction under Tools | Optionts |
Maintenance, and compact manually and frequently using File | Folder |
Compact all". I must have typed that sentence 100,000 times before I
finally put it up on the website. Microsoft refused to accept that this was
a problem for several years until they introduced error reporting and
figured out that compaction caused users to lose messages.
So finally in XP (maybe it was SP1) they stopped background compaction and
set OE to prompt the user to compact after 100 closings of OE.
Unfortunately this wasn't implemented very well and the compaction process
sometimes was interrupted via computer shutdowns as well as the fact that it
has intrinsic issues that result in message loss. The function is flaky and
sometimes fails and the results is that the user opens up OE and huge chunks
of messages or all messages are lost. The only chance of recovery in such
circumstances is my DBXpress program that will pull OE messages off the disk
clusters.
This has been a HUGE issue over the years. Before I made my DBXtract
program $5, I was getting 4000 downloads a month of it over a period of over
2 years.
2. The "resolution": So what has been done is a stopgap measure to prevent
the loss of messages during compaction. The dbx format and its accompanying
code is old. Retooling the compaction process was not an option, as MS has
changed the message store format (finally) in Vista. So getting them to
re-write legacy OE code is not likely to happen. So this new feature was
the easiest method that would result in protection of the message store
prior to compaction.
While it may annoy users such as yourself that don't want the additional
backup, it will help thousands of users from experiencing the agony of
message loss. Sure they should have made backups of important messages, and
we tell them that over and over again ("what if your hard drive fails?"),
but you can't not feel sorry for a grandmother that lost all of her
genealogical messages for 4 years or the family that lost all their messages
and pictures from their soldier son in Iraq -- just because OE hiccuped and
they didn't have backups.
I agree that it would be good to have a way to turn it off, and maybe they
will agree to this, and for sure its not the ideal programming option, but
hopefully it will prevent the tragedy that many are experiencing from the
flawed compaction process.
Oh, and as to your #2 down there, what if the compaction screwed up a file
and the user compacts again? Then that file would get overwritten by a
corrupt version, and that would defeat the purpose.
cheers,
steve
MS-MVP
Outlook Express / Windows Mail