Deleted messages come back
Stan
times a day but frequently when i reopen that folder after it has been
emptied many messages come back. Some have been deleted several days ago,
The Sent folder and even the Recycle Bin act the same. Does anyone have a
solution?
Stan
Ron Sommer
deleted files to its own 'Recycle bin'.
How often do you compact a folder or folders?
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"Stan" <lib...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Stan
As far as I know I do not have a recovery program. Compacting is done
whenever a notice pops up saying it is going to do so, about every week or
two.
Stan
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Items folders and into other local OE folders you've created for archiving
(saving) such messages.
1b. Move 99% of your messages in your Inbox folder to other local OE
folders, too.
2. Write down the location of your identity's store
(http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain).
3. Close OE.
4. In Windows Explorer, navigate to your store folder, find & delete the
files Outbox.dbx, Sent Items.dbx, and Deleted Items.dbx.
To avoid such problems in the future:
- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.
- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm
- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.
- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages), it provides no additional protection,
and even Symantec says it's not necessary:
<QP>
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
the most recent virus definitions.
</QP>
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
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Stan
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and it should help. Many Thanks for your thorough efforts.
Stan
Stan
Hi Robert,
Thank You sincerely for all the advice. Am sending another Thank You because
my previous one was bottom posted and I just realized in this group most top
post. Sorry, but the important thing is I wanted to express my gratitude.
Stan
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Stan
Robert,
I followed your advice and since I was having the same problem with the
Recycle Bin I also posted in the XP group. There I got the suggestion to
bypass the Bin when deleting so I did that and the same when deleting in OE.
I reasoned that if my deletions were never in those folders there was no
chance they could re-appear there. It has only been one day but so far all
is well. I will watch for a week and then report my results in a brand new
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Your concurrent thread in WinXP Help & Support newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support/browse_frm/thread/32ad9390fdd5e22e
If you find that the behavior persists in OE, you may have a corrupt
identity. I can give you instructions on how to create a new identity.
I would NOT bypass the Recycle Bin or OE's Deleted Items folder, Stan! As I
posted in my reply to your other thread, it sounds like that machine may
have some serious issues.
You post using a WinXP SP2 machine: Is it the machine in question here?
What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall
(if any)?
Has a Symantec/Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
machine (e.g., a free trial that was preinstalled when you purchase the
machine)?
[It's "Robear" please.]
Stan
Hi Robear,
I posted in the XP group because I thought it was an XP issue in addition to
an OE issue. Otherwise I would not have posted to another group. Sorry.
As to serious issues, my pc functions well in all other respects and as I
stated, now I do not have any deleted items returning so far. What is the
harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin? When I decide to
delete something it's because I have no more use for it and will have no
reason to retrieve it.
I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware Blaster, and
Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone Alarm firewall. McAfee
came with my computer 3 years ago but I uninstalled it and reformatted
several times in the meantime anyway so there's nothing left. I did have
Norton AntiVirus for a while but uninstalled it using Symantic's Removal
tool and I use Revo Uninstaller regularly which doesn't show any sign of it
in my system. Right now my computer is running like it just came from Dell.
I've got my fingers crossed. Thanks for your efforts to help. I really
appreciate it.
Stan
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> to
> an OE issue.
Not a problem, although you did not mention the Recyle Bin in your post to
OE6 newsgroup and you did not mention OE in your post to WinXP Help &
Support. Both may be pieces of the same puzzle, hence my crosspost to Help
& Support and my reply to your other thread in Help & Support.
[BTW, WinXP Help & Support newsgroup was /intended/ to be about Start | Help
& Support, not generic help & support for WinXp. For the latter, post to
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup.]
> ...What is the
> harm in bypassing the Deleted folder and the Recycle Bin?
You might delete something in error. Better to have the deleted items in
Deleted folder or Recycle Bin and not need them than the other way around!
(I just replied to a user in another newsgroup who Shift+Deleted a file and
now he needs it for work!)
Also, you might be tempted to ignore what's already in Deleted folder and
Recycle Bin: Why clog your machine with unneeded files?
> I use AVG AntiVirus v8, AdAware Plus, Spybot S & D, Spyware Blaster, and
> Super AntiSpyware. I use the free version of Zone Alarm firewall.
ANY of the above (including Spybot Tea Timer and Ad-Aware's Ad-Watch, if
enabled) might be causing the deleted messages/files to reappear!
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Stan
Hi,
I don't have the Tea Timer. I just very recently got Ad-Watch and I had the
problem prior to Ad-Watch so that's not the culprit. As to the safety net in
the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete what I am positive I will
never need. I'm very careful about that and if I ever slip up I'll live with
it. So far all is well so I'll just see what happens from now on. Hopefully
I won't have to bother you again.
Stan
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Stan
Is it all deleted messages that come back or some?
When you compact copies of all Outlook Express folders before
complaction are placed in the Recycle Bin. It is possible to restore
these to Outlook Express. It sounds unlikely that you would do this but
please check that you are not doing this. When compacting is taking
place do you get any messages asking whether you want to Allow or Not
Allow some action to take place?
Have you tried manually compacting Outlook Express before you are
prompted to allow automatic compaction? Manual compaction gives you more
control over the process and defers automatic compaction for another 100
openings of Outlook Express.
In Outlook Express place the cursor on Local Folders and select File,
Work Offline followed by File, Folder, Compact All. Do not attempt to
interupt or stop the process until it has completed. Close Outlook
Express when it has completed.
After compacting check your Outlook Express folders are as they should
be. Then select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk
CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also select
Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore
point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
Do you see any deleted messages returning other than those left by you
in the Deleted Items folder at the time you compacted?
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Gerry
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Never say never!
Stan wrote:
> ...As to the safety net in
> the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete what I am positive I
> will
> never need...
Gerry
Shift + Delete to delete newsgroup spams. Oops I can hardly Bear the
thought I might get the wrong one <EBG>!
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Delete (or CTRL+D) does not delete News messages to Deleted Items in the
first place?
Think about it...
Gerry wrote:
> Oh there speaks the confidence of youth <G>. Says I who regualrly use
> Shift + Delete to delete newsgroup spams. Oops I can hardly Bear the
> thought I might get the wrong one <EBG>!
>
>
Gerry
Checked what you said. CTRL+D puts a mail message in the Deleted Items
folder. CTRL+D permanently deletes newsgroup messages.
Conclusion -might as well use Shift + Delete for unwanted messages
rather have to think which type of message is being deleted.
Oops I can hardly Bear the thought I might get the wrong one <EBG>!
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Stan
Gerry,
"Gerry" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Stan
>
> Is it all deleted messages that come back or some?
Just some
> When you compact copies of all Outlook Express folders before complaction
> are placed in the Recycle Bin. It is possible to restore these to Outlook
> Express. It sounds unlikely that you would do this but please check that
> you are not doing this.
No I don't do this
>When compacting is taking place do you get any messages asking whether you
>want to Allow or Not Allow some action to take place?
No
> Have you tried manually compacting Outlook Express before you are prompted
> to allow automatic compaction? Manual compaction gives you more control
> over the process and defers automatic compaction for another 100 openings
> of Outlook Express.
Yes
> Do you see any deleted messages returning other than those left by you in
> the Deleted Items folder at the time you compacted?
This does not always happen so I really don't know what comes back but it
is a lot.
As I reported, now that I followed Robear's suggestions and delete with
bypassing the Deleted Folder and the Recycle Bin
I am no longer getting back any deleted items.
Thanks for your efforts.
Stan
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
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>
>
>
> Stan wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I don't have the Tea Timer. I just very recently got Ad-Watch and I
>> had the problem prior to Ad-Watch so that's not the culprit. As to
>> the safety net in the Deleted folder and Recycle Bin, I only delete
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Stan wrote:
<snip>
> As I reported, now that I followed Robear's suggestions and delete with
> bypassing the Deleted Folder and the Recycle Bin...
Stan
in addition to following your suggestions about compacting etc I ALSO, at my
own peril, decided to bypass and all is well now. Don't know if the
bypassing is in any way responsible or not but again, all is well. Sorry I
was not more explicit.news:O22oPspw...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...