ActiveX will not re-install...

[Neil Gould]

Hi all,

I've had the misfortune of having Adobe's "update" destroy my working
ActiveX installation on IE6, and can not get it back even after meticulously
following all their instructions and various other recommendations, so out
of desperation, I thought I'd ask in the MS news groups as to whether anyone
else has insights or suggestions to try. The failure is apparently due to an
OSX file that fails to register, although the correct permissions are set.

Windows 2000 pro SP4... IE6.

TIA,

Neil

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

And you anti-virus application is...?

[Neil Gould]

Hi,

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> And you anti-virus application is...?
>

Of course, I did thoroughly check my system for viruses after the "update"
first failed about a week ago. The system is clean.

Also, I have several versions of Flash & ActiveX off-line installers, and
they now all fail with the same error (an OSX file fails to register, the
actual file depends on the version), even when anti-virus is disabled. I was
able to install them as needed before without problems.

Neil

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

You didn't answer my question.

[Neil Gould]

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> You didn't answer my question.
>

Typically, I use Spybot when on-line. However, to check the system after the
first failure, I used a number of anti-virus applications that I keep
on-hand and up-to-date. None reported any problems, and all subsequent
attempts to install ActiveX were done off-line with no active anti-virus
software.

Hope that helps.

Neil

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Spybot is not an anti-virus application. Do you NOT have an (one)
anti-virus application running in the background at all times?

Spybot's two Residents provide only minimal protection, but one of them may
be blocking the ActiveX file from installing. Since you're so familiar with
this stuff, I don't need to tell you anything more, I'm sure.

Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/computer/default.mspx

Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/spyware/prevent.mspx

Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/prevent.mspx

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Neil Gould wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Spybot's two Residents provide only minimal protection, but one of
>> them may be blocking the ActiveX file from installing.
>>

> How would that happen when they are not running, e.g. during offline
> installlation attempts?

Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/27e94bcb95f02615

NB: Quote this post in full if you reply to it, otherwise I shall ignore all
further replies.

Being offline has no affect whatsoever on Spybot SDHelper and Tea Timer. In
any event, you would not be able to install most ActiveX Controls if the
machine was offline.

Spybot Support Forums
http://forums.spybot.info/

PS: What on earth does any of this have to do with Outlook Express?
==
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

[Neil Gould]

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Spybot's two Residents provide only minimal protection, but one of
> them may be blocking the ActiveX file from installing.
>

How would that happen when they are not running, e.g. during offline
installlation attempts?

Neil

[Neil Gould]

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eE5GqLTt...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Spybot is not an anti-virus application. Do you NOT have an (one)
> anti-virus application running in the background at all times?
>
> Spybot's two Residents provide only minimal protection, but one of them
may
> be blocking the ActiveX file from installing. Since you're so familiar
with
> this stuff, I don't need to tell you anything more, I'm sure.
>
> Protect Your PC!
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/computer/default.mspx
>
> Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/spyware/prevent.mspx
>
> Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/prevent.mspx
>

The "Full Service Scan", above, reported that there were no viruses etc. on
this system. While that may not be ultimately conclusive, it is consistent
with all the other anti-virus I've run, so I'm fairly confident that the
problem lies elsewhere.

[Neil Gould]

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23aUfwfU...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Neil Gould wrote:
> > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> >> Spybot's two Residents provide only minimal protection, but one of
> >> them may be blocking the ActiveX file from installing.
> >>
> > How would that happen when they are not running, e.g. during offline
> > installlation attempts?
>
> Thread history:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/27e94bcb95f02615
>
> NB: Quote this post in full if you reply to it, otherwise I shall ignore
all
> further replies.
>
> Being offline has no affect whatsoever on Spybot SDHelper and Tea Timer.
>

When I wrote "...they are not running...", I meant that I exited Spybot and
there were no Spybot or any other anti-virus programs' processes running
according to Task Manager.

> In
> any event, you would not be able to install most ActiveX Controls if the
> machine was offline.
>

I was certainly able to do that before, as I have Adobe's tools for doing
exactly that, and until I ran into this problem, I could install other
versions of ActiveX for testing purposes.

> Spybot Support Forums
> http://forums.spybot.info/
>
> PS: What on earth does any of this have to do with Outlook Express?
> ==
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>

Thanks for your attempts to help out.

Neil

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Closing/exiting Spybot does NOT disable SDHelper or Tea Timer.

If you don't fully understand what such "system protections" do and how they
do it, best not to enable them in the first place.

And I'd still like to know how this pertains to OE?

[Neil Gould]

So... you are saying that Spybot's resident monitors (SDHelper and TeaTimer)
are running in spite of the fact that their processes do not appear in Task
Manager? I think that is rather unlikely, since they do show up when
they're running.

I realize it was a long-shot to find someone here or in the other
cross-posted groups that might have come up with a Win2k solution along the
lines of a specific registry entry to change. It was a widely-cast net, and
the thought was that users of OE6 would also be likely to use IE6. That link
is now removed since there was no response.

Thanks, again.

[Stubby]

Sometime ago I had an awful time trying to install the latest Flash.
I finally found someone at Adobe that told me the problem is that the
permissions were wrong on something and that prevented removing the
previous version and the installation would fail. It turns out to be
a known problem and they have a prescription to fixing it that
involves installing subinacl and feeding it two command files. I'll
bet you can find it by searching the Flash installation page and the
faq.

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Post here instead, please: http://forums.spybot.info/

[Steve Parry]

"Neil Gould" <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote in message
news:ONACi3Et...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

Try downloading and using the full installer here, worked for me

http://www.softwarepatch.com/network-security/flashplay-security.html

--
Steve Parry

www.gwynfryn.co.uk

[Neil Gould]

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Post here instead, please: http://forums.spybot.info/
>

Thanks for your attempts to help, PA Bear, but I don't think the issue has
anything at all to do with Spybot. As I wrote several times, now, the issue
persists even when Spybot is not running, and if its processes are not
running, it isn't running.

I suspect that this is something specific to registry entries in Win2k/IE6,
as solutions to this problem seem to work for most folks running XP.

Neil

[Neil Gould]

Thanks, Steve. I already have this installer, as well as for older versions,
and none of them will load on my system, though they did so prior to my
attempt to update fp10 on-line.

Neil

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

And I will repeat that disabling Spybot does NOT disable its Residents or
its Immunizations.

[Steve Parry]

"Neil Gould" <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote in message

news:#JpofLrt...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

I noted that this download and its predecessor where named the same, the
predecessor would'nt install on my system but the newer one would :)

--
Steve Parry

www.gwynfryn.co.uk

[Neil Gould]

OK... good enough. However, uninstalling it does.

I do understand your perspective that an AntiVirus app could block registry
changes, but prior to going through all of this and asking for help here, I
uninstalled ALL of my anti-virus apps prior to the off-line installation
attempts, and that didn't change the outcome. Also, the on-line
Flash10/ActiveX installation worked flawlessly for FireFox with Spybot
active (same machine).

Thanks... any other ideas?

[Neil Gould]

Now, that _is_ curious!

What OS are you running?

Neil

[Robert Aldwinckle]

"Neil Gould" <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote in message news:uVFHLgtt...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Also, the on-line Flash10/ActiveX installation worked flawlessly
> for FireFox with Spybot active (same machine).

FireFox is using ActiveX now?

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/ActiveX

News to me. Thanks.

http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/plugin.htm

(Live Search for
firefox activex
)

So, now you can see how your symptom will change in No Add-ons mode. <eg>

---

[Neil Gould]

Although I don't have a definitive reason why it worked, I was able to
re-install Flash10/ActiveX successfully today via the on-line process at
Adobe.com.

Thanks for the ideas and help,

Neil

[Roger Fink]

Because of its date, I keep deleting this thread, but it keeps on
reappearing every couple of days. Is this on some kind of automated repost?
Can somebody (kindly) delete it permanently?

9996 wrote:
> NO

> "Neil Gould" <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote in message

> news:ONACi3Et...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Bruce Hagen]

Nobody here can delete a message from the news server. Put the spammer 9996:

ghjfdjkjdbf v

in your killfile. He/she is responsible. I never saw a thing until your
post.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

"Roger Fink" <fi...@manana.org> wrote in message
news:uFy1LtOC...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Roger Fink]

Thanks - with the spam message open, I did a �Blocked Sender� trick from the
OE Tools menu. Never did this before but I trust that is what you were
referring to.

BTW, my understanding is that I can delete a thread in OE by hitting the
Delete key, and I�ve done that in the past. In this instance however I�ve
been using the Delete icon, obviously without success. Wrong place for this
question, I realize, but shouldn�t they yield the same result?

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> Nobody here can delete a message from the news server. Put the
> spammer 9996:
>
> ghjfdjkjdbf v
>
> in your killfile. He/she is responsible. I never saw a thing until
> your post.
>

[Bruce Hagen]

I use message rules, but Blocked Senders has the same result. You want to
block the latest poster. You say the thread keeps coming back, but it's only
because of a new post. Either method of deleting should have the same
results.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

"Roger Fink" <fi...@manana.org> wrote in message
news:%23mLibKP...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Roger Fink]

Yes, the �thread� (I should have said �post�, which in case was one and the
same) keeps coming back, but hopefully this has put an end to it.

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> I use message rules, but Blocked Senders has the same result. You
> want to block the latest poster. You say the thread keeps coming
> back, but it's only because of a new post. Either method of deleting
> should have the same results.
>

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Here's an old trick: Create a News (not Mail!) Message Rule that reads,
"Where the message was sent more than 10 days ago, Delete it." With this
Rule enabled, any new/incoming posts dated 10 days or more in the /future/
will be deleted automatically, too.

Of course before enabling the Rule, you'll want to make sure you've
downloaded all available messages and/or have used Catch Up.

[Roger Fink]

Wow, that one is a candidate for the OE (news) sticky Hall-of-Fame.

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: