security@home
RJK
This web-site contains lots of contradictions !
...and it would take a lot of TIME to work through some of the things he
suggests - lots of which which could also cripple your PC.
It's actually quite cunning, the web site itself is sort of succinct but, at
almost every turn leads you off to somewhere, (where if you don't have lots
of PC / OS and application software and/or Internet experience), you could
end up getting your PC in a real mess.
He criticizes "internet security" applications, and the text on his site
could be misunderstood as giving advice to not use an internet security
application at all ! ...then he hyperlinks you off to a site where you
could end up taking advice to switch off XP services that you may need, by
taking losts of time to manually work through XP services.
Most home users don't implement common sense on the internet and SIMPLY DO
NOT want to know what a visual basic script, ActiveX control, Java Applet
actually is, and would rather trust their defenses to applications such as
Zone Alarm Internet Security Suite.
I wonder if the http://www.argos.co.uk web site loads and runs on B. Nice's
PC ? :-)
regards, Richard
...NG Flame certainly gets the adrenalin flowing !
Bruce Hagen
this newsgroup in your crosspost?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~
"RJK" <notat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23mIGq34...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
RJK
...I do help lots of people, and friends, with messes they've got themsleves
into, from and on the internet, and if I thought for a moment that they
could, or would at least spend some time and try to understand some of the
basic internet security principles and good practices outlined on your site,
I would direct them there !
...and I would direct them to
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
...and lots of other reputable places but, along with scripts, ActiveX, XP
Java and Sun Java runtime, email attachments etc., correct use of IE
internet zones and other IE security settings ... I could go on and on
.....they simply don't want to know about the hosts file, or anything else !
They seem happier to be just furious with their PC and browser software
because the one or two websites they've tried to visit won't correctly load,
run, or display in their IE browser window. ...so they yank down their IE6
internet surity zone setting until it does load etc.
...then there's the, (in my view), badly designed websites where the URL
changes every time one clicks a link to progress into the same site ...and
then there's the IE https window that opens from the "same" website that's
configured to be a new window with no address slot, and nothing in the title
bar and no clue, (other than right-clicking for properties), for the user,
(who can't remember or even grasp the concept of a right-click), that the
URL has yet again changed to one that's not yet been added into IE's trusted
sites zone and - hence an empty ssl window with "Done" on that Windows'
status bar !
My contention is simply that there are several internet security suite
applications that do quite well looking after lots of security aspects for
novice and/or stubborn users ! The reference on your web-site, to being
"pestered" with firewall alerts is not really fair - and is a little
misleading, in that a freshly installed firewall often has to be trained up,
and in a short time will not bother the user quite so much. Here of course
we could get into the realms of novice users setting rules incorrectly e.g.
for outbound connections because he or she doesn't recognise exactly what's
trying to get out, ...or in !
...but, there you go - I've said my piece again :-)
If I was attempting to make a living from "internet security" then I suppose
I can see where you're "coming from" on your site. Lots of good advice
that's beyond the understanding of most "ordinary users," - mainly due to
individual's time restraints, plus a good sprinkling of criticism aimed at
internet security appplications. Not that I was intending to imply that you
make a living from internet security advice - this was an impression I got
after looking around your web-site.
regards, Richard
"B. Nice" <b__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gh05l2teu9iist2j5...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:30:46 -0000, "RJK" <notat...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>...NG Flame certainly gets the adrenalin flowing !
>
> Why don't you just tell us right away which security company you
> represent so we know who we are dealing with.
>
> /B. Nice
>
> --
> Comments I make or advice I may provide is primarily aimed at home users.
RJK
link, in my mind - at the time, to OE via aspects of security ? ! :-)
regards, Richard
"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
news:%231$qOD6AH...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
Ted Zieglar
I don't see a problem with that, so long as you include a disclaimer:
ATTENTION - THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.
BTW, I found a few newsgroups that you forgot to cross-post to.
---
Ted Zieglar
"Backup is a computer user's best friend."
B. Nice wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:34:51 -0000, "RJK" <notat...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't represent any company !
>> ...I do help lots of people, and friends, with messes they've got themsleves
>> into, from and on the internet, and if I thought for a moment that they
>> could, or would at least spend some time and try to understand some of the
>> basic internet security principles and good practices outlined on your site,
>> I would direct them there !
>> ...and I would direct them to
>> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
>> ...and lots of other reputable places but, along with scripts, ActiveX, XP
>> Java and Sun Java runtime, email attachments etc., correct use of IE
>> internet zones and other IE security settings ... I could go on and on
>> .....they simply don't want to know about the hosts file, or anything else !
>
> They don't need to know. All they need to do to reach a reasonable
> level of surfing security is to install a robust browser that is build
> for dealing with insecure networks like the internet and to be able to
> destinguish between sites they trust and sites they don't. If they
> can't do something as simple as that, they are better off pulling the
> plug.
>
> But of course, if people choose to stay ignorant, and therefore will
> get repeatedly burned, that's their choice. I offer some groundrules
> (that actually work) for those interrested - nothing else. People are
> free to take my advice and free to ignore it and look for advice at
> one of the gazillion other sites available. I really don't care.
>
> The only thing I do care about is the overselling nonsense, especially
> concerning features like "outbound control" and "making you invisible
> on the internet", that many "firewall software companies" can get away
> with on their web-sites.
>
>> They seem happier to be just furious with their PC and browser software
>> because the one or two websites they've tried to visit won't correctly load,
>> run, or display in their IE browser window. ...so they yank down their IE6
>> internet surity zone setting until it does load etc.
>> ...then there's the, (in my view), badly designed websites where the URL
>> changes every time one clicks a link to progress into the same site ...and
>> then there's the IE https window that opens from the "same" website that's
>> configured to be a new window with no address slot, and nothing in the title
>> bar and no clue, (other than right-clicking for properties), for the user,
>> (who can't remember or even grasp the concept of a right-click), that the
>> URL has yet again changed to one that's not yet been added into IE's trusted
>> sites zone and - hence an empty ssl window with "Done" on that Windows'
>> status bar !
>
> As long as people don't understand that IE is a security threat by
> design there is'nt that much to do.
>
>> My contention is simply that there are several internet security suite
>> applications that do quite well looking after lots of security aspects for
>> novice and/or stubborn users !
>
> I see marketing is doing a great job.
>
>> The reference on your web-site, to being
>> "pestered" with firewall alerts is not really fair - and is a little
>> misleading, in that a freshly installed firewall often has to be trained up,
>
> Which a novice of course is'nt able to do properly anyway.
>
> And what is your opinion about all the nonsense warnings about
> "attacks" that your "personal firewall" has hindered? A good firewall
> is there to protect you. Not to brag about stopping "attacks" that
> mostly are'nt real attacks anyway. It should just protect you and shut
> up.
>
> The only time it seems to keep quiet is when malware is bypassing it.
> At the time you really need it to speak up, it won't.
>
>> and in a short time will not bother the user quite so much. Here of course
>> we could get into the realms of novice users setting rules incorrectly e.g.
>> for outbound connections because he or she doesn't recognise exactly what's
>> trying to get out, ...or in !
>> ...but, there you go - I've said my piece again :-)
>
> True malware does'nt care about your security suites.
>
> /B. Nice
>
RJK
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:00:43 -0500, Ted Zieglar <ted...@news.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>BTW, I found a few newsgroups that you forgot to cross-post to.
>
RJK
selected a range of my subscribed NG's ..by the look of it...
...well that's my theory !
regards, Richard
"B. Nice" <b__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4s6l2d3b30bbhmeu...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:00:43 -0500, Ted Zieglar <ted...@news.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>BTW, I found a few newsgroups that you forgot to cross-post to.
>
> Tell that to RJK
Jody
question(pop-upblocker OK) Perhaps I should just stop reading and read the
rules. But I need to ask this because Microsoft never answered me after
multiple attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum that is
Microsoft related.
I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting updates for
Office and other administrative topics? I have since changed my setting to
off for Updates but I check Windows Update every other day. I am one of
those "newbies". trying to find answers to my own questions but after going
from one site to another, I just quit. I have all the "Dummy" books and I
tried to find out what NFTS meant and it isn't in any glossery I was checking
and I wrote this as an example to what I have been going thru to find the
info I need. I get quite frustrated and just quit. Any suggestions would be
helpful. I came here because I, obviously, have Windows Defender and this
forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out answers but
unfortunately I will end this reply more confused. By the way I went to
argos.co and is there something I missed? I am now going to Richard's other
site he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info. And yes I would
like to know what a frigging script is and what it does but trying to find
the answer on Microsoft.com drove me crazy-er. I have been to other forums
so I am not a complete novice and now I running around in circles and driving
anyone who might read this crazy!
Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find answers to
questions.
Jody
"RJK" wrote:
> http://home20.inet.tele.dk/b_nice/index.htm
> This web-site contains lots of contradictions !
> ....and it would take a lot of TIME to work through some of the things he
> suggests - lots of which which could also cripple your PC.
>
> It's actually quite cunning, the web site itself is sort of succinct but, at
> almost every turn leads you off to somewhere, (where if you don't have lots
> of PC / OS and application software and/or Internet experience), you could
> end up getting your PC in a real mess.
>
> He criticizes "internet security" applications, and the text on his site
> could be misunderstood as giving advice to not use an internet security
> application at all ! ...then he hyperlinks you off to a site where you
> could end up taking advice to switch off XP services that you may need, by
> taking losts of time to manually work through XP services.
>
> Most home users don't implement common sense on the internet and SIMPLY DO
> NOT want to know what a visual basic script, ActiveX control, Java Applet
> actually is, and would rather trust their defenses to applications such as
> Zone Alarm Internet Security Suite.
>
> I wonder if the http://www.argos.co.uk web site loads and runs on B. Nice's
> PC ? :-)
>
> regards, Richard
>
> ....NG Flame certainly gets the adrenalin flowing !
>
>
Phil Weldon
| This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
| question(pop-upblocker OK)
Skimmed over once lightly, but not read.
Your post is so long any question you might have is hidden. Try a new post
that starts a new thread. Make sure the subject line includes the question
and that the question is ALSO included in the body of the post. Do not
include irrelevant information. Post only to the most relevant newsgroups.
More than two or three crossposts are rarely necessary.
Complaints and venting will reduce the number of helpful replies.
Phil Weldon
"Jody" <Jo...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:707E0147-4599-426C...@microsoft.com...
Ted Zieglar
concise.
We also invite you to pick one newsgroup for your post, instead of
cross-posting all over the place.
---
Ted Zieglar
"Backup is a computer user's best friend."
RJK
re-reads them and has to make corrections !
My comments are inline - (inserted into your post below)
....if you can find your post again that is ! :-)
regards, Richard
"Jody" <Jo...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:707E0147-4599-426C...@microsoft.com...
> This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
> question(pop-upblocker OK) Perhaps I should just stop reading and read the
> rules. But I need to ask this because Microsoft never answered me after
> multiple attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum that is
> Microsoft related.
...There is an inference here that you appear to think that by posting your
message here that Microsoft will answer your problems. This is not the
case - the MVP's (Microsoft Valued Profesionals) and other people who
respond and use these MS NG's are volunteers.
> I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting updates
> for
> Office and other administrative topics? I have since changed my setting
> to
> off for Updates but I check Windows Update every other day. I am one of
> those "newbies". trying to find answers to my own questions but after
> going
> from one site to another, I just quit. I have all the "Dummy" books and I
> tried to find out what NFTS meant and it isn't in any glossery I was
> checking
> and I wrote this as an example to what I have been going thru to find the
> info I need. I get quite frustrated and just quit.
Don't "Quit," use Google Search Engine, it's VERY good - and keep reading
! :-)
http://www.google.com ...e.g. NTFS (new technologies file system) will
give you thousands of hits !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS
Any suggestions would be
> helpful. I came here because I, obviously, have Windows Defender and this
> forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out answers but
> unfortunately I will end this reply more confused.
Windows Defender, as you're probably already aware is an anti-malware
program. It's quite well behaved and I've not had problems running it
alongside Grisofts' Ewido (now Anti-Spyware), and other anti-spyware
applications. In my opinion it should not be considered a comprehensive
anti-spyware program / real-time scanner. A good one is here at
http://www.grisoft.com
By the way I went to
> argos.co and is there something I missed?
If http://www.argos.co.uk displays and works correctly in your web browser
window - then ok ...perhaps ! I use Argos as an example because it's
built using XP Javascript. If Active Scripting is switched off in the IE
Security Zone that's being applied to this web site, as it loads in your web
browser window, it will not correctly load and display. It's not wise to
have Active scripting enabled in the Internet zone, in case you stumble into
a nasty web site that's built to damage your PC / invade your privacy etc. -
have it enabled in the Trusted Sites zone and manually add web addresses,
(that you fully trust will NOT do nasty things to your PC), into the Trusted
Sites list so that their "scripts" (or 'code,' if you prefer, that the web
site is built with), can run properly.
I am now going to Richard's other
> site he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info. And yes I
> would
> like to know what a frigging script is and what it does but trying to find
> the answer on Microsoft.com drove me crazy-er.
Google !
I have been to other forums
> so I am not a complete novice and now I running around in circles and
> driving
> anyone who might read this crazy!
> Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find answers to
> questions.
> Jody
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
regards, Richard
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
news:707E0147-4599-426C...@microsoft.com...
Your post is confusing, but I take it your question is: "why I am getting
updates for
Office and other administrative topics?"
Is Office installed?
What other administrative topics?
Updates for Windows Defender signatures are distributed through Windows
Updates.
If you have chosen Microsoft Updates on the Windows Updates sites you will
get updates for Microsoft Office programs you have installed plus, perhaps,
other Microsoft programs.
I guess your long list of newsgroups is due to replying to RJK's post.
If you have trouble finding replies there's nothing we can do about it as
long as you use that terrible Web interface instead of Outlook Express.
Especially since you do not include an email address and apparently don't
check the Web interface' box to be notified of replies to your post.
--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.
Jody
> I just found this reply in my e-mail and thought I had followed thru, but obviously not,sorry. I did not mean to be irresponsible. This whole thread was so confusing, I think I just couldn't find a way to reply. Why does the whole previous post have to be included in a reply to my question,? thereby finding any sort of answer very difficult. I would read and re-read each post thinking it may have an answer, albeit however badly the question was asked. I understood about the number of administrative /office etc I have installed which would dictate whether to go to Windows or Microsoft updates. Well, I started without any but when it was set to automatic, it downloaded and installed 36 updates before I had a chance to change the setting, but I still assumed it was on Windows. I now have Microsoft ++CC whatever that is on my programs along with NetFramework and all of its updates. It is too much trouble to go thru each update and find the guilty ones and uninstall them, so
not only did I give up, I went to Firefox and never looked back. I still check every couple of weeks and install the critical ones. I know this is more than you wanted to know, but I bet I am no the only one out there who does not use IE anymore.
I still don't understand your reference to the "interface" I was using and
something about Outlook Express. What is that all about? And just to be
sure I went to my preferences page and made sure my e-mail address was there
and that I could be contacted, And why would I e-mail you and not go thru
the forum? It was those inferences I did not understand nor like and is the
reason I haven't been back. But I didn't want to just quit coming here, you
guys just completely and (I know this is easy to do!) going in circles.
I received notification, obviously, of replies, so what are you talking about?
Thanks for the answers and help that I did get - my 'ol brain is suffering
with CSR.
Jody
Rock
> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote:
>
>> "Jody" wrote
It's hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like a stream
of consciousness mind dump. I was not part of the original thread, but I
have tried to read and understand both your original post and your reply.
Neither one makes much sense.
It is normal procedure to quote at least a part, if not all, of the message
to which one replies. This is actually a newsgroup, not a forum. Many
people use a newsreader to access it and only download the most recent
messages so the need to quote the previous message is imperative to keep an
understanding of the thread.
As to your not understanding the reference to the interface and outlook
express, you are accessing this newsgroup using the web access or interface.
That interface is just plain lousy. As I stated before this actually is
Usenet newsgroup. You would be much better off using a newsreader to access
it. XP comes with Outlook Express which can be set up for newsgroup access.
Here is a link with info on how to setup Outlook Express for newsgroup
access:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
As to your problem with updates, I don't know what you were doing, but
updates don't just automatically install themselves. You have to tell them
to install. So you did something. Confusion seems to be rampant in your
computing existence. Good luck to you.
Oh, and here are some links with some good info on how to make a good
newsgroup post. To start with, composing the message with good grammar,
spelling, punctuation and capitalization helps loads. Break up paragraphs -
no more than 5 or 6 lines maximum. One thought per paragraph. Include
relevant details, leave out extraneous ramblings. One issue per post.
Making Good Newsgroup Posts
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
Max Wachtel
You need to check only once a month. MS issues updates on the second
Tuesday of each month.
> I know this is more than you wanted to know, but I bet I am no the only one out there who does not use IE anymore.
> I still don't understand your reference to the "interface" I was using and
> something about Outlook Express. What is that all about?
Using a Newsreader (Thunderbird or Outlook Express have one) instead of
firefox makes reading the newsgroups easier.
> And just to be
> sure I went to my preferences page and made sure my e-mail address was there
> and that I could be contacted, And why would I e-mail you and not go thru
> the forum?
That was not directed specifically towards you. This is not a forum-it
is USENET.
It was those inferences I did not understand nor like and is the
> reason I haven't been back. But I didn't want to just quit coming here, you
> guys just completely and (I know this is easy to do!) going in circles.
> I received notification, obviously, of replies, so what are you talking about?
> Thanks for the answers and help that I did get - my 'ol brain is suffering
> with CSR.
> Jody
Back to your question-
Microsoft Update is different than Windows Update.
WU checks windows only.
MU checks windows and other Microsoft products like OfficeXP.
--
Playing Nice on Usenet:
http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
My Pages:
Virus Removal Instructions
http://home.neo.rr.com/manna4u/
Keeping Windows Clean
http://home.neo.rr.com/manna4u/keepingclean.html
Windows Help and Tools
http://home.neo.rr.com/manna4u/tools.html
Change nomail.afraid.org to gmail.com to reply.
nomail.afraid.org is setup specifically for use in USENET
Feel free to use it yourself.
Jody
"Rock" wrote:
> Itum's hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like a stream
> I appreciate the links. I did not know anything about Newsgroups,nor the differences in Outlook Express. I have never needed it and I don't need it now. You jump on my case and start talking about my misuse of grammar in such a rude way without giving me the opportunity to defend myself by saying I had no idea of the difference. Had you not reprimanded me about my grammar, which, sir was done in such a way that your ignorance showed with this whole paragraph -
" hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like a stream
> of consciousness mind dump. I was not part of the original thread, but I
> have tried to read and understand both your original post and your reply.
> Neither one makes much sense." I wasn't I am getting so angry I am having to retype almose every word., I wasn't in the original thread either but if this is how a person is treated in a newswhatever, I want no part. I have to clear this up and oh my it is not in the correct paragraph. I had my updates set to automatic and when Dell didn't give me the time to change it , before I went on line THAT is how I received the updates, which if the only way to receive "automatic updates" which does take the users intervention. my my my how stupid did you think i recieved the I am quitting here. All I wanted was help not a course in grammar nor your lesson in psych(medical field) which is what I do. So don't give someone new that ends up making them feel like the POS that you made me feel.
Jody
THE END GO HURT SOMEONE ELSE OH DON'T E-MAIL ME AS YOU ORDERED ME NOT TO DO
TO YOU WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY but don't waste my time just please be
someone who helps a new person all you did was hurt me
William
OK. I don't know if you're still there, but seriously, it's not that
important. People get flamed in these NGs all the time, I myself
included (that's why there's something called a killfile, right Gotchalks
;-) ). Anyway, just try to understand that a lot of these newsgroups
aren't moderated. There is no central server, so there isn't really a
way to ban someone, at least not without them finding another way in
anyway, so free speech runs ramped here, and the knife of free speech
cuts both ways. Anyway, I hope you find whatever help you're looking
for, but seriously, try not to let little pixilated images that form
words from someone you've never met in real life upset or anger you, or
you'll just waste precious time and energy trying to recover/retaliate.
Regards,
Will
Rock
I didn't email you in the first place nor did I order you to do or not do
anything. Nor, as I read the thread, did anyone else. Maybe you need to
take a step back, read what you wrote, and read the reply from Frank again.
From my perspective if you ask it here it get's answered here. I don't do
email support.
I wish you good luck with your problems, computer and otherwise.
Shenan Stanley
> This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
>
> Perhaps I should just stop reading and read the rules. But I need
> to ask this because Microsoft never answered me after multiple
> attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum that is
> Microsoft related.
>
> I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting
> updates for Office and other administrative topics?
>
> I have since changed my setting to off for Updates but I check
> Windows Update every other day.
>
> questions but after going from one site to another, I just quit. I have
> it isn't in any glossary I was checking and I wrote this as an example
> to what I have been going thru to find the info I need. I get quite
> frustrated and just quit.
>
> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> I came here because I, obviously, have Windows Defender and
> this forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out
> answers but unfortunately I will end this reply more confused.
>
> By the way I went to argos.co and is there something I missed?
>
> I am now going to Richard's other site he mentioned and maybe
> I will find some relevant info. And yes I would like to know what
> a frigging script is and what it does but trying to find the answer
>
> I have been to other forums so I am not a complete novice and now I
> running around in circles and driving anyone who might read this
> crazy!
>
> Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find
> answers to questions.
Wow... Okay. I have tried to clean up what you wrote and make it
semi-coherent above. So I have a few questions for you concerning what you
have posted and a few suggestions for learning...
You are obviously (given your first statement) trying to utilize the
newsgroups through the web interface. As anyone who frequents these groups
will tell you, that is one of the worst ways to access this newsgroup. A
better (and available to you - as you seem to be running Windows XP) way
would be to use Outlook Express as your 'newsreader'. You can find
instructions for this here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
Now that we have hopefully gotten you off that horrid web page interface for
these groups, things might become easier for you.
You asked why you are getting updates for Office and Windows XP (You have
Windows XP Home with SP2...) That's a little bit of a broad question
leaving out way too many details. Also, I can see, by reading the rest of
your message, where you might have left out a word and meant to ask 'Why am
I *not* getting updates'... But I might be jumping too much there. Let's go
with the '... why I am getting updates for Office and other administrative
topics? ...' question as written.
You are getting updates because you are either visiting
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and scanning for them and installing
them or you have enabled automatic updates. Microsoft decided they would
push all critical updates for their main products (Windows, Office, etc) in
this way. That way it is like 'one-stop-shopping' for all of your Microsoft
products. Getting updates is *not* a bad thing. Also you mention you have
set your 'automatic updates' to off and you check 'every other day' for
updates... That's a bit extreme... Microsoft releases new updates on a
schedule... The second Tuesday of every month. So if you wait until the day
after that and visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and scan for
updates - you just might find something. That would be January 9, 2007 this
time...
I corrected your spelling above on NTFS. NFTS I do not believe has anything
to do with Windows XP or Microsoft products and may not even be a valid
acronym... NTFS on the other hand stands for 'NT File System' and you can
read some basic information on it here:
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/N/NTFS.html
Now you mentioned you came here 'obviously' because you had Windows
Defender. I hate to be the one to tell you this - but that would be less
than obvious to anyone and to be truthful - according to the support
reference on Microsoft's website - this is NOT the newsgroup for Windows
Defender. In fact - it specifically states that. See here:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspxThe proper newsgroups for Windows Defender are listed as these:Windows Defender newsgroups--------------------------------------------. Announcements (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/reader/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.announcements ). General questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/reader/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ). Installation questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/reader/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.install ). Application compatibility questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/reader/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat ). Networking questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/reader/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.networking ). Definition updates (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/reader/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.signatures )And at the very bottom, it says this (about this particular newsgroup -microsoft.public.security.homeusers):"For other security questions not related to Windows Defender like using afirewall, antivirus software, or security update questions, please visit theSecurity for Home Computer Users newsgroup."Which - to me anyway - pretty much says that you should post your WindowsDefender questions in one of the groups above, but not themicrosoft.public.security.homeusers, which is for 'other security questionsnot related to Windows Defender'...You also may want to look carefully and see this message is beingcross-posted (posted to multiple groups at one time) to the following othernewsgroups:microsoft.public.security.virus, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.generalYes - you can get answers to questions on this forum - but you must taketime, take a deep breath, swallow a bit of your pride if necessary and posta complete and intelligible question. It's much like asking a questionanywhere else, except you have to remember that the only one that actuallycan SEE the issue first-hand is you and it is up to you to describe it indetail to us.You also mentioned visiting 'argos.co' and I have NO CLUE as to why youwould ever go there. Now I had to assume that was one of two sites...Either http://www.argos.com (and you did not type the 'm' in your haste) orhttp://www.argos.co.uk (and you neglected to type the .uk for whateverreason...) Neither one makes sense as to something you would visit, as theonly mention of it in this newsgroup I find is from AJR (Richard) where hestates, '... There is a fault in its' IE6 in the www.argos.co.uk web sitecauses that browser to bomb-out! ...' <-- and I cannot fathom what wouldlead you to desire to visit the page in question from that statement orthose arising from it. Then you state you are going to '... Richard's othersite he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info ...' <-- whichmakes me wonder even more why you would consider that a reference site fromwhat Richard said in his post. It actually makes me feel you are notreading anything, but skimming and looking for links. You have to read andcomprehend the stuff around those links too - in most cases. *smile* Bythe way, here is that thread in its entirety, if you wish to review and/orexplain where you thought it said you should visit that site for anyreason...http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_thread/thread/f37c3dcee24f0022/d38f008ebcb46546?tvc=2&q=#d38f008ebcb46546In any case - getting past that confusion for the moment we will continuewith your post... You say - last thing above - that you '... really justneed some direction on how to find answers to questions ...' Okay - I thinkthat is possible. First thing is to know what you are looking for. Knowwhat the trouble is and the stuff that surrounds that trouble. If youcannot see images on web pages, know that you cannot see those images usingInternet Explorer 6.0 on a Windows XP Home system with SP2 installed and ifthe images are just not there or replaced with something like a box with ared x in the center... Once you know that (and that should all be obvious -as it is all stuff sitting in front of you) you should search for theanswer. One of the best ways I know is utilizing google. Search using Google! http://www.google.com/ (How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )So now you visit http://www.google.com/ and in the search field you mighttype in:Internet Explorer images shown as box with red xAnd search. There will be some hits that do not fit your case - but readthrough them... One hit that came up was:http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ietopten.mspxWhich specifically mentions "Red x instead of pictures" and gives solutionsto such a dilemma. If you hadn't gotten a hit, you would need to rethinkthe way you phrased your search, perhaps put quotes around certain things tomake them one unit ("Internet Explorer" for example) and so on...You can also search these newsgroups for questions that have already beenasked and quite possibly answered using another google tool: google groups.http://groups.google.com/Although I always use the advanced version:http://groups.google.com/advanced_searchSame principle - more options.That pretty much clears out this post of yours...If you have more questions or wish to calrify some things - come back andrespond to this message!--Shenan Stanley MS-MVP--How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Shenan Stanley
> Your post is confusing, but I take it your question is: "why I am
> getting updates for Office and other administrative topics?"
>
> Is Office installed?
> What other administrative topics?
>
> Updates for Windows Defender signatures are distributed through
> Windows Updates.
>
> If you have chosen Microsoft Updates on the Windows Updates sites
> you will get updates for Microsoft Office programs you have installed
> plus, perhaps, other Microsoft programs.
>
> I guess your long list of newsgroups is due to replying to RJK's
> post.
>
> If you have trouble finding replies there's nothing we can do
> about it as long as you use that terrible Web interface instead of
> Outlook Express. Especially since you do not include an email
> address and apparently don't check the Web interface' box to be
> notified of replies to your post.
Jody wrote:
> I just found this reply in my e-mail and thought I had followed
> thru, but obviously not,sorry. I did not mean to be
> irresponsible. This whole thread was so confusing, I think I just
> couldn't find a way to reply. Why does the whole previous post
> have to be included in a reply to my question? thereby finding
Jody,
Since I attempted to answer your previous post in this thread and
straightened out the jumbling of your typing so that it became a little
easier to digest - I figured I would do the same with this reply of yours as
well.
Frank seemed to ask some reasonable questions, based off your initial
posting.
The entire post does *not* have to be included in the reply - it does -
however, help those who are just coming into the conversation see where it
has progressed. It is also customary to cut out parts that are not
essential. I left out the inital post that Frank responded to to shorten
the whole thing - but I will reference the entire thread here, in case there
is a need to reflect:
Now - with that out of the way - let's dive into your response to Frank (and
others?)
It downloaded and installed 36 updates... Okay - I can believe that - there
are over 60 past SP2 now. What's the problem? You mention - in passing -
references to something... But you do not detail anything. I am assuming -
possibly - you either had a problem on your system with a particular update
OR you got Internet Explorer 7.0 installed and things are a little weird for
you? Come back - let us know.
The updates you mention are not harmful and most likely - will be needed by
something you will utilize now or in the future. Things get updated - to
help protect you and your stuff and push out the latest enhancements.
That's the way this works.
I am unsure what using Firefox has to do with any of this unless the trouble
is that you have Internet Explorer 7.0 now and that is too much of a change
for you?
The references to using the Web Interface are due to the fact that you are
actually using Internet Explorer or Firefox to access these newsgroups.
That web interface is the worst way possible to access these groups. You
can use Outlook Express and you will have an easier time organizaing and
responding on these newsgroups. I gave this to you in my other response and
I will repeat it now:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
That should get you setup using Outlook Express to read/post/reply on these
newsgroups...
I have no idea what you mean by, '... my 'ol brain is suffering with CSR
...' - as the only reference I could find had to do with the Center for
Scientific Review (CSR) - so you may need to expand on that acronym a bit
for us. =)
That's all I can see to really respond to here - I hope it helps!
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
Shenan Stanley
See:
for the entire thread...
Rock wrote:
> It's hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like
Jody wrote:
> THE END GO HURT SOMEONE ELSE OH DON'T E-MAIL ME AS YOU ORDERED ME
> NOT TO DO TO YOU WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY but don't waste my
> time just please be someone who helps a new person all you did was
> hurt me
Jody,
I am unsure why constructive criticism would hurt you. I believe you may
have taken Rock's message a bit too personal.
Rock was merely - as far as I can read into it - trying to get you to
organize your posts a bit differently. Organizing individual
thoughts/questions into separate paragraphs so that it is easier to read.
Using punctuation and such so that it is easier to tell where the questions
are and where the statements of the problem are. Etc. It is also customary
for one to respond/reply only in the newsgroups as they are archived and can
later be searched and answers to frequent questions reviewed and utilized by
others more easily.
I am sorry you feel that Rock's comments were hurtful. Perhaps if you
explained more about your personal situation or the reason you might post
the way you do - things would make more sense?
Come back - let us know more about your situation and what you need the most
help with. Stick to one problem for a post and I am sure we can help you
with that and then move on to the next problem with the next reply and so on
until you get the hang of this.
Do not take things personal in the newsgroups. You don't know these people
and you are unlikely to ever meet them in reality - nor is the reverse true.
If you feel a comment is hurtful - stop and rethink, but don't bother
retaliating or responding to what you thought was hurtful - just read the
stuff you need, thank them for that, and continue living your own happy
life. That is the best way to go about it, in my humble opinion.
As I have posted it in the other two responses I have made to you tonight -
I will post it again... I think things will be less confusing for you and
you will get more out of these newsgroups if you stop using Firefox or
Internet Explorer to view/utilize them. You can use another applications on
your computer to connect to these groups:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
I hope this response or one of my other two help you and find you doing
well!
Shenan Stanley
little jumbled.
Hopefully this one will come out formatted as intended.
Jody wrote:
> This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
> question (pop-up blocker, OK?!)
>
> Perhaps I should just stop reading and read the rules. But I need
> to ask this because Microsoft never answered me after multiple
> attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum that is
> Microsoft related.
>
> I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting
> updates for Office and other administrative topics?
>
> I have since changed my setting to off for Updates but I check
> Windows Update every other day.
>
> I am one of those "newbies" trying to find answers to my own
> questions but after going from one site to another, I just quit. I have
> all the "Dummy" books and I tried to find out what NTFS meant and
> it isn't in any glossary I was checking and I wrote this as an example
> to what I have been going thru to find the info I need. I get quite
> frustrated and just quit.
>
> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> I came here because I, obviously, have Windows Defender and
> this forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out
> answers but unfortunately I will end this reply more confused.
>
> By the way I went to argos.co and is there something I missed?
>
> I am now going to Richard's other site he mentioned and maybe
> I will find some relevant info. And yes I would like to know what
> a frigging script is and what it does but trying to find the answer
> on Microsoft.com drove me crazier.
>
> I have been to other forums so I am not a complete novice and now I
> running around in circles and driving anyone who might read this
> crazy!
>
> Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find
> answers to questions.
Wow... Okay. I have tried to clean up what you wrote and make it
semi-coherent above. So I have a few questions for you concerning what you
have posted and a few suggestions for learning...
You are obviously (given your first statement) trying to utilize the
newsgroups through the web interface. As anyone who frequents these groups
will tell you, that is one of the worst ways to access this newsgroup. A
better (and available to you - as you seem to be running Windows XP) way
would be to use Outlook Express as your 'newsreader'. You can find
instructions for this here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
Now that we have hopefully gotten you off that horrid web page interface for
these groups, things might become easier for you.
You asked why you are getting updates for Office and Windows XP (You have
Windows XP Home with SP2...) That's a little bit of a broad question
leaving out way too many details. Also, I can see, by reading the rest of
your message, where you might have left out a word and meant to ask 'Why am
I *not* getting updates'... But I might be jumping too much there. Let's go
with the '... why I am getting updates for Office and other administrative
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspx
microsoft.public.security.homeusers, which is for 'other security question
snot related to Windows Defender'...
You also may want to look carefully and see this message is being
cross-posted (posted to multiple groups at one time) to the following other
newsgroups:microsoft.public.security.virus,
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,
microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
Yes - you can get answers to questions on this forum - but you must take
time, take a deep breath, swallow a bit of your pride if necessary and post
a complete and intelligible question. It's much like asking a question
anywhere else, except you have to remember that the only one that actually
can SEE the issue first-hand is you and it is up to you to describe it in
detail to us.
You also mentioned visiting 'argos.co' and I have NO CLUE as to why you
would ever go there. Now I had to assume that was one of two sites...
Either http://www.argos.com (and you did not type the 'm' in your haste) or
http://www.argos.co.uk (and you neglected to type the .uk for whatever
reason...) Neither one makes sense as to something you would visit, as the
only mention of it in this newsgroup I find is from AJR (Richard) where he
states, '... There is a fault in its' IE6 in the www.argos.co.uk web site
causes that browser to bomb-out! ...' <-- and I cannot fathom what would
lead you to desire to visit the page in question from that statement or
those arising from it.
Then you state you are going to '... Richard's other
site he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info ...' <-- which
makes me wonder even more why you would consider that a reference site from
what Richard said in his post. It actually makes me feel you are not
reading anything, but skimming and looking for links. You have to read and
comprehend the stuff around those links too - in most cases. *smile* By
the way, here is that thread in its entirety, if you wish to review and/or
explain where you thought it said you should visit that site for any
reason...
In any case - getting past that confusion for the moment we will continue
with your post... You say - last thing above - that you '... really just
need some direction on how to find answers to questions ...' Okay - I think
that is possible. First thing is to know what you are looking for. Know
what the trouble is and the stuff that surrounds that trouble. If you
cannot see images on web pages, know that you cannot see those images using
Internet Explorer 6.0 on a Windows XP Home system with SP2 installed and if
the images are just not there or replaced with something like a box with a
red x in the center...
Once you know that (and that should all be obvious -
as it is all stuff sitting in front of you) you should
search for the answer. One of the best ways I know is
utilizing google.
Search using Google!
http://www.google.com/
(How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )
So now you visit http://www.google.com/ and in the search field you might
type in:
Internet Explorer images shown as box with red x
And search. There will be some hits that do not fit your case - but read
through them...
One hit that came up was:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ietopten.mspx
Which specifically mentions "Red x instead of pictures" and gives solutions
to such a dilemma. If you hadn't gotten a hit, you would need to rethink
the way you phrased your search, perhaps put quotes around certain things to
make them one unit ("Internet Explorer" for example) and so on...
You can also search these newsgroups for questions that have already been
asked and quite possibly answered using another google tool: google groups.
Although I always use the advanced version:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
Same principle - more options.
That pretty much clears out this post of yours...
If you have more questions or wish to calrify some things - come back and
respond to this message!
--
Bruce Hagen
Just an aside, I prefer to use this link for instructions to set up OE as
the newsreader.
The MS instructions specifically say to enter your e-mail address. (Here
comes the spam). This link tells how not to, and why.
Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MSNews:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~
"Shenan Stanley" <newsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Shenan Stanley
> A better (and available to you - as you seem to be
> running Windows XP) way would be to use Outlook Express as your
> 'newsreader'. You can find instructions for this here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
Bruce Hagen wrote:
> Just an aside, I prefer to use this link for instructions to set up
> OE as the newsreader.
>
> The MS instructions specifically say to enter your e-mail address.
> (Here comes the spam). This link tells how not to, and why.
>
> Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MSNews:
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
Appreciated and noted.
Michael's stuff is always good...
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
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