Compacting Problem (PA??)
Heather
or general Folder Compacting, when it hits "Folders", it stops and says
it is in use by something else. It compacts the news groups and the
regular folders, I believe. I shall check in Windows Explorer. Looks
like they are compacted. Total size is 433 MB for Identity.
What in heck is causing this?? It has happened the odd time before, but
cures itself. And I will admit to having way too many emails in the In
and Sent boxes.
Help, PA.......I see you are busy in this ng as well.
Figgs/Heather
Bruce Hagen
below first thing.
<Canned>
Compacting hangs on Folders.dbx after installing SP3 for XP:
This is a known issue and will never be fixed. Therefore, compact your
folders manually. The counter will be reset to zero, and a manual compact
won't hang.
Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.
If you get it the habit of compacting before the 100th closing, (i.e. once a
week, or so), you will never see the prompt again.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
"Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Heather
problem. Just so you know I did some investigating before
posting.....lol.
HF
"Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Heather
couldn't find anything describing this. I will now try it and be back
to let you know. PITA!! (G)
Figgs
"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
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Heather
btw. Been doing that manually for eons!!
It just says it is in use by OE or some other application......and won't
do the folders.
So is it due to 700+ emails in the Inbox and Sent box?? It is the
original Identity and perhaps I should switch over to the other one I
opened a long time ago and haven't made use of.
Just checking Identities in Windows Explorer and the biggest folder by
far is the one I set up for email with attachments. That needs weeding
out. But it is a subfolder.
Thanks.....Figgs
"Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Bruce Hagen
Not a good idea to keep messages in default folders, Heather. Try new
folders explained below first. If still no joy, either switch to the other
identity, or close OE and delete Folders.dbx in your current identity. (My
choice, but see the link).
Consequences of deleting Folders.dbx:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#deldbx
Start here:
Move any messages you want to save out of Deleted Items, Sent Items and the
Inbox to folders that you create and then close OE and delete the dbx files
for those three folders.
Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location of
your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it in
Windows Explorer or, copy and paste it into Start | Run.
In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.
With OE closed, find the Deleted Items.dbx, Sent Items.dbx and Inbox .dbx
files and delete them. New files will be created automatically when you open
OE.
Compact all folders as described below.
To help prevent this in the future:
Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your own user defined
folders and move the messages you wish to save to them. Empty Deleted Items
folder daily. Although dbx files have a theoretical capacity of 2GB, I
recommend about a 300MB max for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files that are used by
Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095
After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.
Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.
Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
"Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Lou
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
Do you best not to archive more than 100 messages in Inbox folder.
At shutdown every day, move anything you want to archive out of Sent Items
folder & delete the rest to Deleted Items folder, then empty (delete
contents of) Deleted Items folder before closing OE. Again, every day.
At least twice a week and after doing the above:
1. Manually apply a (News) Message Rule* that will delete all posts in all
of your newsgroups older than X days. (I set it at 3 days & apply the rule
after midnight).
2. Close OE, re-open OE and manually compact all folders via ALT+F+F+F, then
close OE again.
NB: Do not /touch/ your keyboard or mouse until the compacting process has
completed, do NOT try to Cancel the compacting process, and do not attempt
to close OE until the compacting process has completed.
3. Now open Recycle Bin and delete all BAK files with timestamps older than
2-3 minutes ago (i.e., when you manually compacted all folders). Delete any
other files as desired.
I find that OE will usually "hang" at the end of a compacting session (a) if
you've had it up & running for an extended period of time (all-day; several
days) or (b) if you've created, deleted, renamed or changed the location of
a folder.
Once more with feeling...
General OE Caveats:
- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.
- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
- Frequently perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working
offline". More at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm
- Do not cancel Automatic Compacting, should it occur, and do not attempt to
close OE via Task Manager or shutdown your machine if Automatic Compacting
is taking place.
- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages) and provides no additional protection:
Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm
======================
* "Where the message was sent more than XX days ago, Delete it." When you
create the rule, do not enable (check) it in the list of News Rules. When
you Apply the rule manually, you will have to select the (newsgroup or) news
account on which the rule will run (e.g., msnews.microsoft.com).
--
~Robear
Bob Lucas
In addition to what Bruce and PA Bear said,
Before you perform a manual Folder compaction, set Outlook
Express to work offline. Working offline might prevent that
particular error message.
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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BillW50
Bruce Hagen typed on Sun, 31 May 2009 18:33:57 -0700:
[...]
> Compacting hangs on Folders.dbx after installing SP3 for XP:
>
> This is a known issue and will never be fixed. Therefore, compact your
> folders manually. The counter will be reset to zero, and a manual
Hi Bruce! You're kidding? You mean if you are running XP with SP3 you
shouldn't compact using the following methods?
(1)
Tools
Options
Maintenance (tab)
Clean Up Now (button)
Compact (button)
(2)
ALT-F-F-F
And what you are saying is to compact each folder individually? Thus
Folders.dbx will never be compacted if you are running XP with SP3,
right? I ask this because I have four XP machines with SP2 still on them
and I never upgraded to SP3 yet.
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Bruce Hagen
"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
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#1: That /only/ compacts newsgroups, not local folders. (In all versions of
OE and with any XP service pack).
#2: I never said anything about doing folders individually, only manually.
(i.e. not via the compact prompt). ALT-F-F-F is the same results as my
instructions except you still need to check Work Offline first to be safe.
An incoming message during compacting can wipe out a folder, for one.
Many people find that compacting hangs on Folders.dbx after installing SP3
and compacting from the prompt, but not if done manually. I compact a few
times a week so I never see the prompt.
Heather
Heather
"Bob Lucas" <b...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Heather
group bodies of messages quite often via Tools, etc. My only failing is
way too many emails in the Inbox and the Sent box.
But this Folders thing has been going on for a month or so. And I had a
problem getting attachments to display just yesterday, but that is OK
now.
I have a further question that seems to have started with IE8.....in my
Temp Folder in Windows Explorer there are loads of new zero byte files
which are variations of "wbk1**.tmp" The asterisks are in there for
varying things (wbk2A2.tmp, etc). Yesterday a few of them were say 20
to 300 kb. Today they are zero. I tried to figure out what they were
with Notepad and not too sure. They could have been the attachments I
was trying to open, or is this something new with IE8?? Or should I be
asking that over in that group.
Heather
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gerry
In Outlook Express place the cursor on Local Folders and select File,
Work Offline followed by File, Folder, Compact All. Do not attempt to
interupt or stop the process until it has completed. Close Outlook
Express when it has completed.
After compacting check your Outlook Express folders are as they should
be. Then select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk
CleanUp to Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files.
Also select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk
CleanUp, More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest
System Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Heather
But the only thing I won't do is get rid of SR points. After years on
the WinME ng, you will never talk me into that!!
Thanks anyway. I will just either houseclean OE or create another
identity.
Cheers....Heather
"Gerry" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Gerry
The first paragraph should have solved your immediate problem. Open
Outlook Express and then follow the procedure.
Windows ME was a disaster. It was not as good as Windows 98 SE. The
version of System Restore in ME was a "beta" for the version in Windows
XP. If you maintain your computer correctly you should rarely have need
of System Restore. I cannot remember ever needing to use it in over 5
years.
BTW I know you have been around a long time. I have answered your posts
before but it may not have been for some years. In the days before OE
5.5! We used to correspond with the likes of Tom Koch , Frank Saunders,
Steve Cochran and others.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
Your current Identity may be damaged, especially if its the default Main
Identity. Try one or more of your accounts in a new Named Identity...
File | Identities | Add new identity
Assuming all is well, (1) compact all folders in the old identity, (2)
import messages from the old identity into the new one, and then (3) delete
the old one (File | Identities | Manage Identities).
> I have a further question that seems to have started with IE8.....in my
> Temp Folder in Windows Explorer there are loads of new zero byte files
> which are variations of "wbk1**.tmp"
[A 0-byte "offline content" file of this type is when you open a mail or
news message in OE...and every time you open it.]
These files ending up in TEMP is new (and new-to-me, too) behavior with IE8
installed. In IE7 and earlier, these 0-byte files were located in Temporary
Internet Files folder. [If you remember IE6, that "Delete all offline
content?" prompt you got when you deleted TIF(iles) via 'IE Tools | Internet
Options | General' included these files.]
Be my guinea pig: If you delete TIF(iles) now via IE8 Tools | Internet
Options | General | Browsing history | Delete, does that also delete the
0-byte files in TEMP folder? (I'd doubt it but...)
Does running Disk Cleanup & selecting TIF and/or TEMP delete them? How
about if you delete TEMP using CCleaner?
PS: Steve says deleting TIF via the button on his OEToolbar deletes these
0-byte files => http://www.oehelp.com/OETool/Default.aspx
Heather
> Heather
>
> The first paragraph should have solved your immediate problem. Open
> Outlook Express and then follow the procedure.
I tried it (plus that is how I usually compact folders) and it didn't
work.
>
> Windows ME was a disaster. It was not as good as Windows 98 SE. The
> version of System Restore in ME was a "beta" for the version in
> Windows XP. If you maintain your computer correctly you should rarely
> have need of System Restore. I cannot remember ever needing to use it
> in over 5 years.
Got in the habit of using it with ME......but only use it when putting a
new program on here and I automatically make a manual restore point.
Can't change old (ME) habits.
>
> BTW I know you have been around a long time. I have answered your
> posts before but it may not have been for some years. In the days
> before OE 5.5! We used to correspond with the likes of Tom Koch ,
> Frank Saunders, Steve Cochran and others.
I thought I remembered you and of course all of the guys above from
back in my Win95 days when I had that Compaq black box. I used to get
your address mixed up with Stockport, near Manchester.......not high on
my list of charming English towns, grin.
Thanks, Gerry.
Heather
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> But this Folders thing has been going on for a month or so
>
> Your current Identity may be damaged, especially if its the default
> Main Identity. Try one or more of your accounts in a new Named
> Identity...
>
> File | Identities | Add new identity
>
> Assuming all is well, (1) compact all folders in the old identity, (2)
> import messages from the old identity into the new one, and then (3)
> delete the old one (File | Identities | Manage Identities).
OK, will do that later. Have a vicious migraine, so just dealing with
those pesky Temp files until it lifts. (weather-related migraines)
>
>> I have a further question that seems to have started with IE8.....in
>> my
>> Temp Folder in Windows Explorer there are loads of new zero byte
>> files
>> which are variations of "wbk1**.tmp"
>
> [A 0-byte "offline content" file of this type is when you open a mail
> or news message in OE...and every time you open it.]
OK, found that out for sure. Oddly enough, when these files are new
they have substance......i.e. 30 kb or so on. That disappears and they
are all zero. Opened one and it was my reply to Gerry in England, so
that proves your statement.
>
> These files ending up in TEMP is new (and new-to-me, too) behavior
> with IE8 installed. In IE7 and earlier, these 0-byte files were
> located in Temporary Internet Files folder. [If you remember IE6,
> that "Delete all offline content?" prompt you got when you deleted
> TIF(iles) via 'IE Tools | Internet Options | General' included these
> files.]
> Be my guinea pig: If you delete TIF(iles) now via IE8 Tools | Internet
> Options | General | Browsing history | Delete, does that also delete
> the 0-byte files in TEMP folder? (I'd doubt it but...)
OK, tried the above, didn't work. And will now try Disk Cleanup.....and
I believe I got rid of a lot of them earlier using CCleaner, but will
retry that one.
>
> Does running Disk Cleanup & selecting TIF and/or TEMP delete them?
> How about if you delete TEMP using CCleaner?
>
> PS: Steve says deleting TIF via the button on his OEToolbar deletes
> these 0-byte files => http://www.oehelp.com/OETool/Default.aspx
Where is that little devil these days?? I will get that Toolbar but
only because it is Little Stevie Wonder's invention, grin. Hey, that
looks good. And where is Majik these days as well.
But back to testing Disk Cleaner and/or CCleaner.....
Nope, DiskCleanup with Temp selected didn't get rid of them. On to Crap
Cleaner. Damn......that didn't get rid of them either. But for some
strange reason there is a time stamp gap on them. Perhaps I was away
from the computer and not opening news posts or emails.
OK, I will manually delete them.......or better yet, use Steve's Toolbar
and try it out. And I guess I should houseclean the Inbox and use a new
Identity. Had to do that once before and either you or Steve walked me
thru it.
Spoke to The Mouse (daughter Elayne) last night and she said to say HI
to you and Steve as well......assuming he remembers being at that vip do
and meeting her!! ROFL!! She has a new man in her life now......named
RUFUS!! And he is a darling mixed breed dog that is half Shih Tsu and
half Havanese (Cuban). Better than a husband she says. He obeys!!
XX Figgs
PA Bear [MS MVP]
Heather wrote:
> Hi PA......see inline....
>
>> Your current Identity may be damaged, especially if its the default
>> Main Identity. Try one or more of your accounts in a new Named
>> Identity...
>>
>> File | Identities | Add new identity
>>
>> Assuming all is well, (1) compact all folders in the old identity, (2)
>> import messages from the old identity into the new one, and then (3)
>> delete the old one (File | Identities | Manage Identities).
>
> OK, will do that later...
=> Actually, I'd do it first: The horked identity may be related to your
inability to delete the contents of the TEMP folder via Disk Cleanup, etc.
Then again, you must keep in mind that Windows won't allow you to delete
such a file unless it's older than 48 hours, by default. (There's a way to
tweak a few utilities to bypass this restriction but that'd be OT here.)
<snip>
> Spoke to The Mouse (daughter Elayne) last night...
> She has a new man in her life now......named
> RUFUS!! And he is a darling mixed breed dog that is half Shih Tsu and
> half Havanese (Cuban). Better than a husband she says. He obeys!!
<woof> So she's gone to the dogs, has she? <eg> <=BroMow made me say that!