November trip to Matienzo

[digscaves]

A few people are going out in November leaving UK on Friday 11th and
returning on Sun the 20th. Route Manchester Bilbao.
We have 2 cars in Spain and room for 2 more people if anyone is
interested?

Give either myself or John Southworth a call or mail if you want more
details.
We will share transport costs and are staying in La Cavada where there
are still some rooms at a good rate!

Plan is to split into 2 or more groups each day so there will be
opportunity for both underground and surface prospecting.

If someone wants to travel out independently we should be able to sort
out airport pickup and drop off from Santander. There is also a train
that runs to La Cavada from close to the airport.

Chris

[Peter Clewes]

Hi Chris / john sorry to say I will not be coming out later this year.
Peter C

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November trip report.
Team:- Martin Barnicott, Chris Camm, Phil Goodwin, Alf Latham, Brian
Latimer, Dave Milner, Gordon Procter and John Southworth.
Plan:-8 caving/prospecting days were planned with over 20 sites in 8
areas earmarked for re-examination.
The plan changed when one of the 20 sites (2538) was visited.
The site was originaly visited in 2006 by Pete Clewes and Andy
Pringle, who noted that after a few metres there was a slot blocked by
a boulder that would need snappers to get down. They also metioned a
good draught.John S picked up on this and put it on the list. As lying
South of Aguanaz and not too high it could be a good prospect.
14 November  Full team visited Moncobe area and 2538. The first thing
that hit us was the draught, it was howling out.The boulder was
despatched with a hammer and chisel and the rift snappered out to
allow access to a roomy chamber.Here most of the draught was coming
out of a small eye hole with more coming up out of the boulder
floor. The boulder floor looked like it might take a while to pass but
Gordon set to and after an hour or two hada 3 to 4m drop to a tight
slot. this was strongly draughting out. More snappering allowed a view
of a roomy shaft distoed at 19.5 m from the bottom of the boulder
dig.Warning. Dont climb down possibly unstable boulders until some
more stabalisation work has been carried out, A short ladder here
avoids the need to climb on these loose boulders.
15 November.More enlargement work at the pitch head allowed Phil to
descend and assess the possible ways on. A tight squeze past a calcite
boss led into the side of a large aven probably some 5m above a
floor.There may be other ways on but viewing from the boss was
restricted. The draught was out and still as strong as ever.More work
will be needed to get pass the boss.
17/18 November.
The draught had stopped or reversed we were lucky to have seen it
blowing out as strong as we did on the first 2 days.
Short pitch over calcite drops to floor mentioned above. Short drops
then lead down to a further 20m pitch leading to some horizontal
passage which after a few metres leadsinto a breakdown chamber. An
obvious water worn passage heading due South was taken over false
floors to a 5m pitch.Beyond this the passage size increases
dramatically to approx 5-6m wide and 10m high. The passage continues
large and heading south until turning and heading Westwards. At the
turn a large unexpolered inlet comes in from the South.Back in the
westwards downstream passage a chamber is reached where the continuing
westwards passage is hands and knees over cobbles.To the south out of
this chamber a shallow mudbank leads to a 2m high passage through
several chambers with mud floors.Before becoming a 10-15m high passage
passing an area where the floor drops by 5m or so. Further on a knee
deep pool is met and a junction(station 1.68).Here wading allows a
passage to the West to be followed to a climb out over a white calcite
floor, way on is to the left and enters the water again.A Yorkshire
type active streamway was folowed easily past unexplored inlets and
surveying stopped at the top of a small 1.5m climb down into a
pool(Station 1.100)
Back at the junction (Station 1.68) a passage continues South. This is
also a downstream passage with a small stream which was followed until
ending at a duck where a more open passage might be present some 15m
forward beyond Lake Tilberthwaite.
Work will continue. Surveyed centreline 800m and depth of 82m.

[Juan Corrin]

Well done - great effort from everyone - apart from Pringle

Cheers from Hua Hin

 

Juan

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November trip report.
Team:- Martin Barnicott, Chris Camm, Phil Goodwin, Alf Latham, Brian
Latimer, Dave Milner, Gordon Procter and John Southworth.
Plan:-8 caving/prospecting days were planned with over 20 sites in 8
areas earmarked for re-examination.
The plan changed when one of the 20 sites (2538) was visited.
The site was originaly visited in 2006 by Pete Clewes and Andy
Pringle, who noted that after a few metres there was a slot blocked by
a boulder that would need snappers to get down. They also metioned a
good draught.John S picked up on this and put it on the list. As lying
South of Aguanaz and not too high it could be a good prospect.
14 November  Full team visited Moncobe area and 2538. The first thing
that hit us was the draught, it was howling out.The boulder was
despatched with a hammer and chisel and the rift snappered out to
allow access to a roomy chamber.Here most of the draught was coming
out of a small eye hole with more coming up out of the boulder
floor. The boulder floor looked like it might take a while to pass but
Gordon set to and after an hour or two hada 3 to 4m drop to a tight
slot. this was strongly draughting out. More snappering allowed a view
of a roomy shaft distoed at 19.5 m from the bottom of the boulder
dig.Warning. Dont climb down possibly unstable boulders until some
more stabalisation work has been carried out, A short ladder here
avoids the need to climb on these loose boulders.
15 November.More enlargement work at the pitch head allowed Phil to
descend and assess the possible ways on. A tight squeze past a calcite
boss led into the side of a large aven probably some 5m above a
floor.There may be other ways on but viewing from the boss was
restricted. The draught was out and still as strong as ever.More work
will be needed to get pass the boss.
17/18 November.
The draught had stopped or reversed we were lucky to have seen it
blowing out as strong as we did on the first 2 days.
Short pitch over calcite drops to floor mentioned above. Short drops
then lead down to a further 20m pitch leading to some horizontal
passage which after a few metres leadsinto a breakdown chamber. An
obvious water worn passage heading due South was taken over false
floors to a 5m pitch.Beyond this the passage size increases
dramatically to approx 5-6m wide and 10m high. The passage continues
large and heading south until turning and heading Westwards. At the
turn a large unexpolered inlet comes in from the South.Back in the
westwards downstream passage a chamber is reached where the continuing
westwards passage is hands and knees over cobbles.To the south out of
this chamber a shallow mudbank leads to a 2m high passage through
several chambers with mud floors.Before becoming a 10-15m high passage
passing an area where the floor drops by 5m or so. Further on a knee
deep pool is met and a junction(station 1.68).Here wading allows a
passage to the West to be followed to a climb out over a white calcite
floor, way on is to the left and enters the water again.A Yorkshire
type active streamway was folowed easily past unexplored inlets and
surveying stopped at the top of a small 1.5m climb down into a
pool(Station 1.100)
Back at the junction (Station 1.68) a passage continues South. This is
also a downstream passage with a small stream which was followed until
ending at a duck where a more open passage might be present some 15m
forward beyond Lake Tilberthwaite.
Work will continue. Surveyed centreline 800m and depth of 82m.

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[Bill Sherrington]

Lake Tilberthwaite! fantasic good news .

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[Footleg]

Looks like a fantastic spot for a new big system! Good work!

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[Peter Clewes]

Thanks John / Chris for pushing it for me, you took your timeeeeeeeeee.

 

 Good work see you soonnnnnnn I hope  Peter C

[ANDREW BRINGLE]

Fantastic news, I remember finding site 2538 towards the end of a day out
walking with DCC members & Juan. Glad to see that noting these sites for
future attention has paid off.

Look forward to seeing the survey. Hope to visit the new cave next year.

Nice to see the Lakeland theme continuing.

I refer you to page 238 of 'Matienzo 50 Years of Speleology' ISBN
978-0-9566045-0-7(now out of date) please see last para 'Conclusion'

Regards,

Andy P.

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[L Mills]

Excellent news re. November trip. What a cracking result in a perfect position. 
 
You may already have gone round the next corner and joined the "master cave" running from the Tejuelo
area to Fuente Aguanaz, but if you haven't, it will be OK to leave it for the next trip!
 
Look forward to seeing the survey, well done again.    Lank
 
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