OpenBSD website Design.
Siju George
One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
Please have a look at it :-D
http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
Thankyou so much
Kind Regards
Siju
Bruno S. Delbono
> Hi,
>
> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> Please have a look at it :-D
>
> http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
Fresh and neat. I like it.
-Bruno
eric
> Fresh and neat. I like it.
Kinda reminds me of the website back in 1997...
<http://web.archive.org/web/19970327004719/http://www.openbsd.org/>
Abraham Al-Saleh
itself. No reason to fix it if it's not broken.
On 9/7/05, Siju George <sgeor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> Please have a look at it :-D
>
> http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
>
> Thankyou so much
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Siju
>
>
--
Abe Al-Saleh
And then came the Apocolypse. It actually wasn't that
bad, everyone got the day off and there were barbeques
all around.
pachl
> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he
> created.
I like it! Very clean and simple, just the way things should be.
The current site "tries" to be clean and simple, but I find it
cluttered. Also, the few colors and images used throughout the site
look like they were choosen/created by a 7 year old boy.
Although, you shouldn't fix things if they aren't broken, sometimes a
change is nice.
- pachl
chefren
> Siju George wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
Very well structured. A linear setup so people can read without distractions
from beginning to the end, this will avoid stupid questions.
Missing the "search" option, could be at the end, if you haven't found it in the
text you can try that one, or at the beginning so people who know the page don't
have to scroll.
More color/pictures needed to win people for it...
+++chefren
ji...@inet-solutions.be
> Hi,
>
> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> Please have a look at it :-D
>
> http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
>
> Thankyou so much
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Siju
>
>
It's clean and far more viewable in (e)links.
I would change the page if it were mine, but I'm afraid
people are not willing to change it.
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Siju George
> Quoting Siju George <sgeor...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> > Please have a look at it :-D
> >
> > http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
> >
> > Thankyou so much
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Siju
> >
> >
>
>
> It's clean and far more viewable in (e)links.
> I would change the page if it were mine, but I'm afraid
> people are not willing to change it.
>
A while back he sent me this
>BTW, people can get the entire archive from
>http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/newsite.tgz
>
Thankyou so much :-)
kind regards
Siju
jab...@abbotts.org
--ja
--
Nick Holland
> Hi,
>
> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> Please have a look at it :-D
>
> http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
>
> Thankyou so much
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Siju
Changing the basic website look isn't something we are going to do
lightly. Unfortunately, there are an almost unlimited number of ways to
present the content on the front page, and while a lot of those are
clearly "bad", that still leaves a lot of very usable, and even very
good options.
If we switch from one usable solution to another, we'll end up with
dozens of people sending us competing solutions to what really isn't a
problem at this point.
Someday, perhaps, Theo will say, "I'm tired of this look, I want to do
THIS", and boom, things will change, but until then (and after then!),
I'd suggest working on the content, rather than the layout.
That's not to say the suggested layout was bad in any way (in fact, I
rather like it), but I don't think it solves any problem, and some of us
are attached to the current layout. :)
Nick.
Siju George
I understand Nick :-)
good luck!
kind regards
Siju
Dave Feustel
Is there one? If not, how hard would it be to
create one and add a link to the website for it?
Thanks,
Dave Feustel
Alexander Hall
> I have not seen a sitemap for openbsd.org.
> Is there one? If not, how hard would it be to
> create one and add a link to the website for it?
What about http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/ ? :-)
Dave Feustel
> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/
Hmm. Interesting. I'm not quite sure yet just what this is,
but it looks useful and I'm putting the link in my OpenBSD
link file and will spend some time examining it.
Thanks,
Dave Feustel
--
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Rick Pettit
> On Friday 09 September 2005 15:12, Alexander Hall wrote:
> > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/
>
> Hmm. Interesting. I'm not quite sure yet just what this is,
You can learn more about it here:
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/cvsweb.html#about
but in short the link to http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/ above
references an HTTP interface for viewing the CVS repository where the OpenBSD
website files are kept.
-Rick
ed
Alexander Hall <alex...@beard.se> wrote:
> What about http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/ ? :-)
I was taking a look at that, and it seems I am either getting behind
with OpenBSD versions or something in ospfd development has torn a
vortex in the rift of space time and 3.8 has popped through from the
future creating the file 38.html, released in November 2005.
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/38.html
Does it come complete with instructions for building your own flux
capacitor, or am I just being silly?
Ray Percival
--
BOFH excuse #309:
firewall needs cooling
-f
it's clean, functional, good to look at.
can't really say the same about openbsd.org.
clean? yes.
functional? yes.
good to look at? no.
and freebsd is actually w3c correct...
this is my biggest pain (as a web dev myself)
as openbsd is very robust in everything else.
but, no problem, can't be best in everything ;-)
-f
--
mexico's greatest export: their population.
Dave Feustel
> i always liked the freebsd.org design.
> it's clean, functional, good to look at.
>
> can't really say the same about openbsd.org.
> clean? yes.
> functional? yes.
> good to look at? no.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
> and freebsd is actually w3c correct...
> this is my biggest pain (as a web dev myself)
> as openbsd is very robust in everything else.
> but, no problem, can't be best in everything ;-)
'Best' implies a judgement criteria. What criteria are you using?
> -f
> --
> mexico's greatest export: their population.
Mexico's greatest exports to the US are poverty and disease.
Dave Feustel
--
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You know: trojans, viruses, SPYWARE, ADWARE,
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Gerardo Santana Gómez Garrido
> On Sunday 11 September 2005 11:04, -f wrote:
>
> > -f
> > --
> > mexico's greatest export: their population.
>
> Mexico's greatest exports to the US are poverty and disease.
>
> Dave Feustel
And this is related to OpenBSD how exactly?
Posting such an ignorant, insulting and biased sentence like this in a
_technical_ forum is asking for a debate that _nobody here_ wants to
read.
I suggest you to read a quote from one of the greatest men that Mexico
has given ("exported") to the world. It will be in my signature again
for you to read every time. Read it and understand it. I'll be here
when you feel to apologize.
--
Gerardo Santana
"Between individuals, as between nations, respect for the rights of
others is peace" - Don Benito Juarez
Darrin Chandler
>
>Dave Feustel
>
>
are a great many people from Mexico and they are hardworking, honest
people. Such a comment is obviously misplaced in many ways. Don't be an ass.
Oreste Del Kadysse
>
>
>Dave Feustel
I suggest to get it related to OpenBSD ... that way :
#kill -15 $(ps -ax | grep "Dave Feustel" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}')
Regards
Oreste
eric
> Mexico's greatest exports to the US are poverty and disease.
You ignorant fool.
di...@uchicago.edu
>
>You ignorant fool.
>
depends on how you measure "greatest". i think several of the
border states in the US declared a "state of emergency" about
the most profitable, and probably best known, mexican export. ;)
and no, it's not viagra.
Han Boetes
> > > mexico's greatest export: their population.
> >
> >
>
> I suggest to get it related to OpenBSD ... that way :
> #kill -15 $(ps -ax | grep "Dave Feustel" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}')
pkill is what you are looking for ;-)
Also `grep -v grep' is not necessary: grep 'fo[o]' instead of grep
foo also discards the grep process.
# Han
Darrin Chandler
>On Sunday 11 September 2005 14:30, you wrote:
>
>
>>>Mexico's greatest exports to the US are poverty and disease.
>>>
>>>Dave Feustel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I don't know what things are like in Auburn,
>>
>>
>
>Auburn???
>
>
Bad guess, I suppose. Next guess would be Fort Wayne, 260-422-5330.
Gerardo Santana Gómez Garrido
> Hi,
>
> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> Please have a look at it :-D
>
> http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
>
> Thankyou so much
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Siju
By the way, it's a nice design indeed. Clean and usable. I'm thinking
of borrowing some ideas from it :)
Bryan Irvine
Ob boy, you embarrass yourself with such a comment, and me as an American.
I think you should apologize.
--Bryan
Jason Dixon
He's too busy wasting everyone's time on misc@ and ports@ with
frivolous posts.
--
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http://www.dixongroup.net
Martin Schröder
> One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> Please have a look at it :-D
>
> http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
Nice, but wrong:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
Best
Martin
--
http://www.tm.oneiros.de
Ray Percival
> On 2005-09-08 08:57:29 +0530, Siju George wrote:
> > One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created.
> > Please have a look at it :-D
> >
> > http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
>
> Nice, but wrong:
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/
This is an honest question although I do clearly have a clear thought on the subject.
>
> Best
> Martin
> --
> http://www.tm.oneiros.de
>
--
BOFH excuse #257:
That would be because the software doesn't work.
Greg Thomas
>
> On Sunday 11 September 2005 11:04, -f wrote:
>
> > mexico's greatest export: their population.
>
>
Of all the trolls who have made their best attempts to offend people on misc
I have to say that that is the most disgusting thing I have read here in the
past 6 years. I believe that Theo is against censorship but can the list
just stop replying to this asshole's questions?
Greg
Siegbert Marschall
The US greatest exports to Mexico are poverty and disease.
Ansonsten: Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal Fresse halten.
-f
> And in what browser do any of those four errors cause actual problems?
you are missing the point of validating sooooo much...
attitude like this made the web the mess it is now.
> And why instead of doing a redesign don't you just sumbit a patch that
> fixes those four problems?
pardon? submitting a patch to something that will never be adopted here?
sorry man, got better things to do.
ok, now theo's mad at me, and doesn't allow me to look at the
openbsd.org pages at all ;-)
"The connection was refused when attempting to contact to
www.openbsd.org."
-f
--
you made my day, now you have to sleep in it.
Siegbert Marschall
> depends on how you measure "greatest". i think several of the
> border states in the US declared a "state of emergency" about
> the most profitable, and probably best known, mexican export. ;)
>
> and no, it's not viagra.
it's a big problem on both sides of the border.
However, one is wondering what the worlds greatest, god loving
nation, is doing with all this stuff, there can not be that many
users there or ? If there would be no demand, there would be no
market so therefore there must be a _huge_ demand. QED.
And, Dave Feustel, your comment oppenly displayed that you are at
least a Racist if not a Nazi. Here in germany these people are no
longer welcome. If you do not wish to remain like that in
the archives, I suggest you show some guts and appologize in
public.
But since this completely offtopic, I will try hard to stop now.
Oreste
I got the same error ...
Someone know's what's going on ?
have a nice day everybody.
Oreste
Kenneth Oncinian
di...@uchicago.edu
>> border states in the US declared a "state of emergency" about
>> the most profitable, and probably best known, mexican
export. ;)
>>
>> and no, it's not viagra.
>it's a big problem on both sides of the border.
>
>However, one is wondering what the worlds greatest, god loving
>nation, is doing with all this stuff, there can not be that many
>users there or ? If there would be no demand, there would be no
>market so therefore there must be a _huge_ demand. QED.
ok, so there's demand in the US, so what? there's demand in
every first-world country on the planet, including germany.
this comment was not meant to trash on mexico at all, it was
just meant to highlight some of mexico's other, as far as i'm
concerned, more important exports.
without the cartels' work, the dollar would be weaker and the
US economy would be that much crappier. that's bad for
everybody since the US consumes tons of crap that other people
make (like germany, who just overtook us in exports). anything
that makes demand for dollars outside the US is good for USD
exchange rates, so you could view the cartels as helping the
US economy by creating demand for dollars outside the US.
if the dollar weakens too quickly, everybody, germany
definitely included, could be in some deep shit.
>
>And, Dave Feustel, your comment oppenly displayed that you are at
>least a Racist if not a Nazi. Here in germany these people are no
>longer welcome. If you do not wish to remain like that in
>the archives, I suggest you show some guts and appologize in
>public.
is more ignorant name-calling and pigeon-holing going to
remedy this situation? neither will rhetorical questions.
to claim dave is a racist or a Nazi is absolutely ridiculous.
his statements, although he has chosen to focus on the
negative ones, i believe to be for the most part true. it is
important to note that he has left out all the positive
aspects of the widespread illegal immigration from mexico. it
is also notable that not everyone in the US from mexico is an
illegal immigrant, but many such people exist.
this illegal immigration has a number of net-positive effects:
improves the lives of fellow humans (immigrants make more
money, live a bit better), satisfies US demand for
labor-intensive lower-wage jobs that locals don't want or that
are already unionized ad nauseum, and allows for transfer of
wealth and health out of the US, a state that only has so much
because it screwed other countries to get a comparative advantage.
to say that illegal immigrants are a burden on the US
healthcare system (which already has tons of problems) and
that the immigrants who come over illegally are generally
impoverished are definitely true statements, but there are two
sides to every coin. in most cases, they're pretty evenly
weighted.
>
>But since this completely offtopic, I will try hard to stop now.
>
Of all the trolls who have made their best attempts to offend
people on misc
I have to say that that is the most disgusting thing I have
read here in the
past 6 years. I believe that Theo is against censorship but
can the list
just stop replying to this asshole's questions?
Greg
censorship is about the dumbest activity in which anyone can
participate. even censoring dave via "excommunication" with
regard to his postings is a slippery slope. if he had a grant,
would you pull it because he doesn't share your views? i get
sick of hearing about KDE and X too, but to censor it only
makes understanding it that much more difficult.
apologies for the long-winded psuedo-off-topic post. that's all.
jake
Shawn K. Quinn
> censorship is about the dumbest activity in which anyone can
> participate. even censoring dave via "excommunication" with
> regard to his postings is a slippery slope. if he had a grant,
> would you pull it because he doesn't share your views? i get
> sick of hearing about KDE and X too, but to censor it only
> makes understanding it that much more difficult.
If you want to get an idea of where things can go, look in the archives
for what happened to Darren Reed (I think it was a good 2-3 years ago).
I agree with you in principle, but at the same time, realize this isn't
the polit...@openbsd.org mailing list.
--
Shawn K. Quinn <skq...@speakeasy.net>
Michael Shalayeff
the amount of good shitz this thread (as well as quite
a few equally valuable ones) have contributed to the
project i think overflows the capacity that cvs can handle.
please send smaller diffs solving real problems.
cu
--
paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
slack _usr
> Very well structured. A linear setup so people can read without distractions
> from beginning to the end, this will avoid stupid questions.
I agree with that. Such structure is much better than current one.
--
Slack is GOOD. OBSD better.
Spruell, Darren-Perot
> --On 14 September 2005 17:54 +0400, slack _usr wrote:
> > I agree with that. Such structure is much better than current one.
>
Agreed. And current website != broken, either. As was said before, let's
forego trying to "fix" something which works perfectly well as it is, just
because of someone's petty preferences on style.
DS
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Wijnand Wiersma wrote:
> 2005/9/14, Adam <su...@my-balls.com>:
> > "Matthias Herlitzius" <m...@aiticon.de> wrote:
> >
> > > IMHO a redesign should use XHTML/CSS. Otherwise it would be hard to
> > > realize proper accessibility for lynx :-)
> >
> > Contrary to popular belief, neither lynx nor screenreaders give a damn
> > about buzzword compliance. And using xhtml just because all the cool
> > kids are doing it is pretty stupid.
>
> And there is no use for using xhtml if you don't use xml stuff.
> html is better if you just want to serve a static webpage.
> CSS is good by the way, but xhtml is really just a buzzword nowadays
> and even the big promoters are crawling back now.
>
> And I think the proposed design is ugly, making the current design
> better can still be done without loosing the current style look.
>
> Wijnand
>
>
--
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--ja
--
Stuart Henderson
>> Very well structured. A linear setup so people can read without
>> distractions from beginning to the end, this will avoid stupid
>> questions.
People who regularly ask stupid questions don't usually read, so this
won't help them...
UI of this redesign is a bit problematic - using the same visual style
for both content and navigation impedes quick reference, a primary
function of a technical website.
Wijnand Wiersma
Adam
> IMHO a redesign should use XHTML/CSS. Otherwise it would be hard to
> realize proper accessibility for lynx :-)
Contrary to popular belief, neither lynx nor screenreaders give a damn
about buzzword compliance. And using xhtml just because all the cool
kids are doing it is pretty stupid.
Adam
Ray Percival
> "Matthias Herlitzius" <m...@aiticon.de> wrote:
>
> > IMHO a redesign should use XHTML/CSS. Otherwise it would be hard to
> > realize proper accessibility for lynx :-)
I just opened it up in lynx and myabe I just have low standards but I'm failing to find anything wrong with it. So what is it that you have objections to that could be fixes with XHTML/CSS?
>
> Adam
>
--
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Matthias Herlitzius
> ones that said the site *is* in fact broken compared to the new design
> when you look at it with Lynx. When I am setting up a server (no gui)
> I use lynx to do my downloads. A web site based on the new design would
> be an improvment. Check it out for yourself.
The design of a web page has nothing to do with its accessibility via
lynx. Accessibility is a matter of source code structure and quality.
No matter what the web page looks like in a graphical browser, you can
optimize the source code to make it better accessible for people who use
lynx or other programs which mainly display the textual contents of a html
document in the order presented there. Take a look at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/
IMHO a redesign should use XHTML/CSS. Otherwise it would be hard to
realize proper accessibility for lynx :-)
I agree with Stuart, contents and navigation should be seperated.
Matthias
>
> --ja
>
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
>
>> From: Stuart Henderson [mailto:s...@spacehopper.org]
Alexander Farber
Spruell, Darren-Perot
> be hard to
> > > realize proper accessibility for lynx :-)
> >
> give a damn
> > about buzzword compliance. And using xhtml just because
> all the cool
> > kids are doing it is pretty stupid.
But using it because it is the correct thing to do and is the standard by
which web browsers are designed to render hypertext is not stupid. Matter of
fact, the current website mostly follows those standards. Proper termination
of tags, the DOCTYPE tag, the Content-Type meta tag and so forth are already
implemented on the site and are called for in XHTML, not HTML.
> And there is no use for using xhtml if you don't use xml stuff.
And HTML is so different from XML?
> html is better if you just want to serve a static webpage.
> CSS is good by the way, but xhtml is really just a buzzword nowadays
> and even the big promoters are crawling back now.
On which planet is that the case? XHTML is the vehicle of proper web design,
today. To call CSS good and XHTML bad is dumb considering they are both
standards which are picking up the pieces of HTML that are being (have been)
deprecated. Is there someone besides the W3C that you know of who is
defining web standards these days? Someone else defining what needs to be
supported in user agents for standards-based, congruent rendering of web
page content? We're a little past the buzzwords argument now - you're
already living with the new standards. Catch up.
> And I think the proposed design is ugly, making the current design
> better can still be done without loosing the current style look.
Regardless of your outlook on the standards bit, this is true. I still agree
that the current website is fine as it is. Sounds like the only problem is
that some folks are finding lynx inconvenient to use on the website. Shame.
DS
Adam
> But using it because it is the correct thing to do and is the
> standard by which web browsers are designed to render hypertext is
> not stupid.
Too bad neither of those are the case. Html is the standard by which
web browsers are designed to render hypertext, some browsers also
render xhtml, some just pretend its html. And unless you serve your
xhtml documents with an xml content type, then browsers that do support
xhtml treat it as html anyways. Of course, if you do use an xml content
type then IE users cannot view your website. Xhtml is a solution
looking for a problem, Microsoft's broken browser just makes it even
worse.
> On which planet is that the case? XHTML is the vehicle of proper web
> design, today. To call CSS good and XHTML bad is dumb considering
> they are both standards which are picking up the pieces of HTML that
> are being (have been) deprecated.
Xhtml is the vehicle of moronic "web designers" who don't even
understand it and insist on following stupid fads. And you do want to
use xhtml because all the cool kids are doing it, you just admitted
it. Html is still a standard too, and it still works fine. And Xhtml
isn't "bad", its "stupid". It does not do anything for you when
making typical websites, including the openbsd site. Using xhtml serves
no purpose at all, unless you lock out IE users, and even then the
benefit is all but worthless.
> Regardless of your outlook on the standards bit, this is true. I
> still agree that the current website is fine as it is. Sounds like
> the only problem is that some folks are finding lynx inconvenient to
> use on the website. Shame.
And lynx treats xhtml as html no matter what content type you use, so
the suggestion that you have to use xhtml to "fix" the current
perfectly fine design for lynx is moronic. CSS works with html too.
Adam
Marco Peereboom
Nobody who matters cares about this so it is fair to say that you are
wasting everyones time and bandwidth.
On Sep 15, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
> From: Wijnand Wiersma [mailto:wwie...@gmail.com]
>
>> 2005/9/14, Adam <su...@my-balls.com>:
>>
>>> "Matthias Herlitzius" <m...@aiticon.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> IMHO a redesign should use XHTML/CSS. Otherwise it would
>>>>
>> be hard to
>>
>>>> realize proper accessibility for lynx :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular belief, neither lynx nor screenreaders
>>>
>> give a damn
>>
>>> about buzzword compliance. And using xhtml just because
>>>
>> all the cool
>>
>>> kids are doing it is pretty stupid.
>>>
>
> But using it because it is the correct thing to do and is the
> standard by
> which web browsers are designed to render hypertext is not stupid.
> Matter of
> fact, the current website mostly follows those standards. Proper
> termination
> of tags, the DOCTYPE tag, the Content-Type meta tag and so forth
> are already
> implemented on the site and are called for in XHTML, not HTML.
>
>
>> And there is no use for using xhtml if you don't use xml stuff.
>>
>
> And HTML is so different from XML?
>
>
>> html is better if you just want to serve a static webpage.
>> CSS is good by the way, but xhtml is really just a buzzword nowadays
>> and even the big promoters are crawling back now.
>>
>
> On which planet is that the case? XHTML is the vehicle of proper
> web design,
> today. To call CSS good and XHTML bad is dumb considering they are
> both
> standards which are picking up the pieces of HTML that are being
> (have been)
> deprecated. Is there someone besides the W3C that you know of who is
> defining web standards these days? Someone else defining what needs
> to be
> supported in user agents for standards-based, congruent rendering
> of web
> page content? We're a little past the buzzwords argument now - you're
> already living with the new standards. Catch up.
>
>
>> And I think the proposed design is ugly, making the current design
>> better can still be done without loosing the current style look.
>>
>
> Regardless of your outlook on the standards bit, this is true. I
> still agree
> that the current website is fine as it is. Sounds like the only
> problem is
> that some folks are finding lynx inconvenient to use on the
> website. Shame.
>
> DS