In English, "crazy" can be used both for people or for actions.
"He's crazy" and "that's crazy" are both perfectly idiomatic
as far as I can tell.
In Lojban, according to the gi'uste, there are certain gismu
places that are reserved for events and from which people or
objects are explicitly excluded. It is very hard to guess which
places are like that, and which will happily take both people
and events. For example the x1 of {xajmi} explicitly allows
both people and events. I have never quite understood the
rationale behind the distinction.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
Natlangs, yes. But Lojban did mainly get its words because
of someone's (rational or irrational) scheme.
I'm not sure {gau} is what you want there. Perhaps {zu'e}?
--
Theodore Reed <tr...@surreality.us>
Maybe; but calling a certifiable nut a
volitional entity sorta misses the point, as does
talk of ends and the like for crazy actions. He
certainly is the agent, he does do the deed,
though "brings about" packs in a lot of dubious
metaphysical freight that probably does not apply
(for much the same reason as talk of ends does not).
Yes; as usual, this seems the best choice:
{fektra} x1 is crazy (maybe a bunch of other
places about what he does or what the name of the
condition is or what the conditions are -- for
the scientist or medico, not the vernacular).
--- Robin Lee Powell
<rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:18:15AM -0700, John
> E Clifford wrote:
> >
> > --- Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > > All of the major words used in the
> definition of fenki (crazy,
> > > insane, mad, frantic, frenzy) apply
> primarily to *people*, at
> > > least in the dictionaries I'm looking at.
> > >
> > > Why, then, is the x1 of fenki an event?
> >
> > Either politeness or an entrenched notion of
> psychology: people
> > aren't crazy, only their actions are.
>
-zu'e brings in intentionality, so maybe -tra is better in some
cases.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
It does not seem to make much sense, since people
are funny much in the same way they are crazy:
what they say or do, and events are crazy in much
the same way they are funny (note we even use
"funny" as a euphemism for "crazy"). But even if
Why, then, is the x1 of fenki an event?
-Robin