A use for {pe naku} ?

[Jacob Errington]

This occurred to me in IRC just a few days ago, and I figured that I should inform the broader community of this "discovery". Until now, {pe naku} has been regarded as gibberish, and has been used essentially only in pointing out weird stuff that can be done with the grammar. However, I've figured out a practical use for it. 

Consider the following:

{.i mi se gunta re lo gerku .i pa lo gerku cu bunre .ije lo drata naku go'i .i lo gerku pe naku cu simlu lo ka xendo zmadu lo gerku pe ja'aku}

We can use {pe naku} and also {pe ja'aku} to create a disambiguation between things based on whether or not they have a contextually relevant property, in this case {ka bunre}.

What do you think of this? 

mu'o mi'e la tsani

[Jorge Llambías]

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Jacob Errington <nict...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Consider the following:
> {.i mi se gunta re lo gerku .i pa lo gerku cu bunre .ije lo drata naku go'i
> .i lo gerku pe naku cu simlu lo ka xendo zmadu lo gerku pe ja'aku}
> We can use {pe naku} and also {pe ja'aku} to create a disambiguation between
> things based on whether or not they have a contextually relevant property,
> in this case {ka bunre}.
>
> What do you think of this?

That's my interpretation too. See:

http://www.lojban.org/tiki//tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=235&topics_sort_mode=hits_desc&forumId=1&comments_parentId=6129&display=print

"pe naku " is equivalent to "poi na co'e".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

[Pierre Abbat]

On Monday 20 August 2012 09:39:15 Jorge Llambías wrote:
> That's my interpretation too. See:
>
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki//tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=235&to
>pics_sort_mode=hits_desc&forumId=1&comments_parentId=6129&display=print
>
> "pe naku " is equivalent to "poi na co'e".

What about "po'u naku" and "goi naku"?

Pierre
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[Jorge Llambías]

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Monday 20 August 2012 09:39:15 Jorge Llambías wrote:
>>
>> "pe naku " is equivalent to "poi na co'e".
>
> What about "po'u naku" and "goi naku"?

"po'u" is "poi du" (although it's hardly any shorter, so it's not
clear why it was ever assigned its own cmavo) so that would make "po'u
naku" "poi [ke'a] du [zo'e] naku". I guess with enough context it
could make sense.

"goi" is "noi ca'e du", so that would make "goi naku" "noi ca'e [ke'a]
du [zo'e] na ku". Meaningful, assuming you can figure out the referent
of "zo'e", but I can't at the moment see anything useful in it.
Probably equivalent to "goi na'e bo zo'e"

[Jacob Errington]

I can conceive of a meaning for {goi naku}:

{.i lo mlatu ku goi ko'a cu rinsa lo gerku .i lo mlatu ku goi naku batci lo gerku}

In that story, {lo mlatu goi naku} is referring to a cat other than ko'a.

However, I can't really see how {po'u naku} could be useful.

Also, xorxes, it seems like your interpretation of {pe naku} matches mine, from what I can see in those old discussions.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

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