to to toi => (to (to toi))
lu lu li'u => (lu (lu li'u))
Is true, whereas:
to to toi => (to (to) toi)
lu lu li'u => (lu (lu) li'u)
Is incorrect.
Can someone point me to the chapter where this concept is discussed?
It is indirectly discussed all over the place, for specific
terminators, but I can't seem to find the principle described
anywhere.
I'm aware of the list of elidable terminators:
http://dag.github.com/cll/19/17/
But that page does not discuss usage or define them.
-Alan
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> [2]http://dag.github.com/cll/19/17/
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I'd also like to use these words in the grammar specification, which
uses a lot of English production.
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function word
> selma'o - ??
> bridi - ??
clause
> selbri - predicate
> terbri - argument
> cnima'o - 'attitudinal'
?? - discursive
> fa'orma'o - 'terminator'
> gadri - article?
> sumtcita - modal?
The proper English translation of "sumtcita" is "adposition", but it is
customary in English to call them "prepositions" or "postpositions",
whichever occur in the language. Since all Lojban adpositions are
prepositions, we should call them that.
"Modal" is Lojbanic jargon for "preposition derived from a predicate", as
distinct from tense markers used as prepositions. In linguistic terminology
it refers to words like "ka'e".
> temtcita - specifically time-related (nonce guess)
I call them "tense markers". Linguists talk of TAM (tense, aspect, mood).
Lojban has spatial tenses as well. I don't know whether they should be
considered as a fourth category or lumped with the time tenses.
Even mood markers can be used as prepositions. What does "mi zbasu ka'e le
curnu" mean?
> tanru - ??
compound phrase?
> lujvo - ??
compound word, but some lujvo formed with cmavo aren't compounds in the
linguistic sense, but derivations.
> rafsi - ??
bound form
> selrafsi - ??
> zi'evla - ??
> fu'ivla - 'borrow-word'
> malgli - =D
Anglicism
> ra'abri - 'clause' (like {noi})
What's that? If you mean "subordinate clause", I'd say "vipybri", but that's
what I'd call "nu broda". "noi broda" is a skibri.
> terjonma'o - 'connective' ({.e} or {gi'e})
conjunction
Also we should have Lojban words for natlang grammatical terms. As some
features of natlangs are lacking in Lojban, some of these will be fu'ivla.
cmene - proper noun
cmevla - intrinsic proper noun ("John", as distinct from "Bear")
fauvla - verb
daivla - noun
skivla - adjective
adverbio - adverb
nalcme daivla - common noun
infinitivo - infinitive
participio - participle
tersu'i - case
vlacne - inflect (said of a word)
faurvlacne - conjugate
dairvlacne ja skivlacne - decline
tairmupli - form of a word
sumbasti, sumyma'o - pronoun
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-Alan
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 01:24:48PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Here's the first few:
> gismu - "root word" - [1]http://dag.github.com/cll/4/4/
> cmavo - "structure word" - [2]http://dag.github.com/cll/4/2/
> selma'o - selma'o (subcategory) - [3]http://dag.github.com/cll/4/2/\
> -(selma'o are referred to as selma'o throughout, with a brief mention of
> them being subcategories in the link)
> bridi - predication - [4]http://dag.github.com/cll/2/1/
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http://lojban.org/tiki/gerna+tecyvla
Right now it is a list of Lojban => English translations.
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