NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox
Jeff V. Merkey
Alan,
I would like for you to take over NWFS if you are willing. I have dissolved
TRG as a Utah Corporation and I am now focused on a variety of projects
for various clients related to Linux development. Novell has recently
threatened to try to take my house and assets if I post any more
NWFS releases or MANOS.
I am doing very well with my consulting projects, but to be honest,
my family has sufferred horribly in the past four years fighting with
Novell every other week, and there's a very strong chance I will be
moving shop to either New Mexico or Arizona, since they own the
local courts here in Utah (all the judges are mormons in Utah Valley
and pro-Novell).
There are several areas that need restructuring and work, and I am
available to answer questions, and assist with technical consulting,
but I can no longer post releases of NWFS on Linux. My children
need a house over their heads, and I believe what Novell says about
taking it and putting us out on the street. They are wounded in the
market, and very dangerous at present, so I am trying very hard to
stay out of their way. If you choose to decline, it's up for grabs
with whomever else wants to take it over, but you have first dibs.
If you elect take it over, I will have my attorneys prepare an
agreement transferring legal ownership to you. I will retain M2FS
and the clustered versions, since I have a clients abroad who want this
technology, and it does not utilitze any NetWare specific technologies.
I would also retain IP rights to NWFS to use future incarnations in
products should I set up in another state.
I do not want to see NWFS fall by the wayside and not get supported,
so I would really like it if you would be willing to take it over
and get it 2.4 clean.
Please advise,
Jeff
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Jeff V. Merkey
Alan,
There is a very current version which I have not released that is
in great shape. I have not posted it. This is the version I
would be sending you.
Jeff
Paul Fulghum
From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jme...@vger.timpanogas.org>
> Novell has recently threatened to try to take my house and
> assets if I post any more NWFS releases or MANOS.
[snip]
> They are wounded in the market ...
A quote for the lumbering lizards at Novell
as they stumble torwards the tarpits:
These moments will be lost in time
like tears in the rain...
time to die.
--
Paul Fulghum
pau...@microgate.com
Trever L. Adams
> my family has sufferred horribly in the past four years fighting with
> Novell every other week, and there's a very strong chance I will be
> moving shop to either New Mexico or Arizona, since they own the
> local courts here in Utah (all the judges are mormons in Utah Valley
> and pro-Novell).
Once again, we have Mr. Merkey at it. None of his problems can just be
his, or caused by Novell. They can't just be because, at one time (no
longer though), Novell was THE economy for Utah Valley (Provo/Orem
area). They can't be because he has little respect for aspects of
intellectual property (for those who believe in it or are under legal
systems that do). The mormons cause them all.
Get real, move on, and get a life Mr. Merkey.
For the record, I believe you are in the wrong here. I believe that
there are several non-mormon judges in the area (at least there were a
little over a year ago when I lived there).
Yes, I am wayyyy off topic. But lets keep it to the technology and the
law. If the finger has to be pointed, point it where it belongs and
leave the predominant (60% tops) religion out of the picture.
Now back to your regularly schedule flame wars on different technology,
real discusion, and the real world.
Trever Adams
P.S. Sure, I am LDS (mormon). I have a problem with the above because
our religion requires us to stand for truth and I believe Mr. Merkey
tends to misrepresent the religion. I would have a problem with him
misrepresenting any religion (if I knew he was doing so... with many
religions I would likely not - still... it would be a problem).
P.P.S. Any flames or responses to this that want a response will reply
in private. I will not continue this on the list.
Alan Cox
> available to answer questions, and assist with technical consulting,
I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the
appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect
the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself
Alan
Chris Wedgwood
> I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the
> appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I
> suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself
I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the
code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should
get legal advice about the situation?
I would also expect if the FSF are not the assignee (the suggest that
they be is a very good one), then whomever does adopt it might want to
make sure they have some kind of legal representation available should
they need it.
It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for
fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded.
--cw
Justin Guyett
> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the
> > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I
> > suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself
>
> I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the
> code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should
> get legal advice about the situation?
>
> It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for
> fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded.
presuming they are unfounded, given the history of attacks by Novell,
perhaps the best move would be to turn it over to a company like compaq or
ibm given a written contract that they will keep it open source. Novell
can't be that stupid.
justin
Jeff V. Merkey
> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the
> > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I
> > suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself
>
> I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the
> code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should
> get legal advice about the situation?
>
> I would also expect if the FSF are not the assignee (the suggest that
> they be is a very good one), then whomever does adopt it might want to
> make sure they have some kind of legal representation available should
> they need it.
>
> It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for
> fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded.
>
Their power only extends to the borders of this state. They have little
ability to interfere wth someone in Swansea, Great Britian, or even
Silicon Valley, California. The problem I have is they can get the
local courts here to do whatever they ask. Not so other places. I think
it's pretty safe so long as I am not the one releasing it.
Jeff
Jeff V. Merkey
> > available to answer questions, and assist with technical consulting,
>
> I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the
> appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect
> the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself
>
> Alan
I will get with you offline and discuss this possibility.
Jeff
Jeff V. Merkey
Trevor,
I really think you guys should start using peyote in your temple rituals,
you'd have a much better grasp on reality. Most people do not believe
they are going to be gods when they die, which is what mormonisn
teaches. I guess a lot of mormoms think they already are, and act like
it.
:-)
Jeff
Jeff V. Merkey
>
> From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jme...@vger.timpanogas.org>
>
> > Novell has recently threatened to try to take my house and
> > assets if I post any more NWFS releases or MANOS.
> [snip]
> > They are wounded in the market ...
>
> A quote for the lumbering lizards at Novell
> as they stumble torwards the tarpits:
>
> These moments will be lost in time
> like tears in the rain...
> time to die.
I am watching the walls cave in on Provo and the view is great from
Where I am sitting.
:-)
Jeff
Jeff V. Merkey
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the
> > > appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I
> > > suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself
> >
> > I assume the legal threats that Jeff has experience will follow the
> > code? Surely before anyone wishes to adopt such a thing they should
> > get legal advice about the situation?
> >
> > It would be shame to let potentially useful code be left to die for
> > fear of bully-tactics if their claims are unfounded.
>
> presuming they are unfounded, given the history of attacks by Novell,
> perhaps the best move would be to turn it over to a company like compaq or
> ibm given a written contract that they will keep it open source.
> Novell can't be that stupid.
Don't count on it. I had completed a fully 64-bit OS in 1997 for IA64,
four years before everyone else. It's been sitting in an archive
somewhere inside of Novell -- unused for no other reason than I
wrote it. I am waiting to see who would want it. It's open to
any takers. Alan may be in a conflict of interest with Red Hat
since Novell is an investor in them, so this I understand. I'll
wait and see who's interested. I would not be surprised if
someone from Novell asks to take it over.
Jeff