Very slow network - Ubuntu
A. Ben Hmeda
slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I
have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox, still slow by about 50%.
My machine AMDSMP is dual boot w2k/ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (2xAthlon 2000+ 512
RAM), network is at full speed with win2k and Fedora Core 5 (now
deleted) on this machine.
I have another Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS machine SERVER (2xP3-500 256RAM) and a
Win2k KIDPC (P3-866 512RAM) on the same home network that do not have
this problem with the network slowdowns.
My benchmark is http://www.testmy.net/ website. Every machine on the
network has been tested separately, while other machines were turned off.
Didn't matter whether the connection was static or dhcp.
I have also noticed slowdowns (high latency) while playing on-line games
like bzflag
My /etc/network/interfaces :
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.2
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1
ifconfig output:
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:5A:9A:8C:6E
inet addr:192.168.1.2 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:46508 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:31020 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:43829777 (41.7 MiB) TX bytes:4368831 (4.1 MiB)
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:9 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:9 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:472 (472.0 b) TX bytes:472 (472.0 b)
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Thomas Jollans
> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail.
Why don't you ask there ? debian mailing lists have nothing to do with ubuntu
support.
Marty
Since You are omitting some crucial details, such as the details of your LAN
and your internet connection, for the purposes of this message I will assume
that your local LAN speed vastly exceeds the speed of your internet connection
and you are using at least 100Mb ethernet (i.e.the typical case). Please
correct me if I'm wrong.
First I would determine if you have local throughput reduction to the
machine in question. You could try testing the throughput between machines.
Unless you are using gigabit, these tests should easily saturate your local LAN
and leave no doubt about the integrity of the local LAN.
If it turns out to be an ethernet issue, then given the lack of RX errors on
your system, I would suspect a problem on the TX side, either in the cable or
the hub/switch/router on the other end. 100mb ethernet uses two twisted pairs
of wires, and problem on only the TX pair would be typically caused by a bad
connection or a miswired cable (e.g. incorrectly pairing the conductors in a
hand-crimped cable). Another cause is damage to RJ-45 sockets caused by
plugging RJ-11 or RJ-14 plugs into RJ-45 sockets. This can bend and permanently
damage some of the conductors in RJ-45 sockets.
If you find that it's not a physical layer (ethernet) issue, then it's probably
an IP stack or applications bug, which would make it an extremely rare and
interesting problem. I'm not a developer, but I think the developers would be
be very interested in such a problem. Incidently I think you can disregard the
claim, from another list member, that this is not a Debian issue. Since Ubuntu
is based on Debian, any problem there could very easily apply to Etch, the next
stable Debian release.
A. Ben Hmeda
I have an Internet router for sharing cable Internet connection. 3 PCs
plugged into this router, class C network, I think. All with static IPs
192.168.1.2,3 and 4. Gateway (router) is 192.168.1.1 DNS is my ISP's
64.71.255.198 I am using 100Mb Ethernet and 10/100Mb router. My Internet
connection speed is only 1Mbps (max) My internet download speeds range
from 90kB/s to 114kB/s. Under Ubuntu, they crawl at 15kB/s to 25kB/s
max! under static IP setup or dhcp setup.
The machine with the problem is my AMDSMP. I have had absolutely no
problem with network speed (internal and external) until I installed
Dapper. As it is now, it is a dual booting machine (win2k and ubuntu)
Previously, it ran Debian Sarge, Fedora Core 4 and 5, alongside win2k
without any problems. Presently, my network speed is fine under windows,
was fine under Sarge, Fedora 4 and 5 on the same machine, except for ubuntu.
As I was poking around, trying to figure this out, I noticed that
network speed is drastically improved, back to 90kB to 114kB under
Ubuntu when, in GNOME, I open the System>>Administration>>Networking and
just click OK, without actually changing anything! This makes no sense
to me and I have no explanation for it, it certainly does not change the
content in my /etc/network/interfaces but I was able to duplicate the
steps with same results every time. Is the
System>>Administration>>Networking>>OK the same as
/etc/init.d/networking restart?
Thanks for your help
Joe Hart
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Have you considered trying something other than Ubuntu? There are many
other GNU/Linux distributions that work (and some much better). Ubuntu
may be popular, but that doesn't make it the best. Same can be said
with the current industry leader's operating system.
If you want to use Debian, we can help you. If you want to try
something else, take a look at http://distrowatch.com and have a look at
the hundreds of choices.
Interesting that your network problem magically fixes itself when you
try to configure it and do nothing. Is there a ghost in the machine?
Joe
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Freddy Freeloader
machine on my home lan could not send and receive email but all others
could. The fix after many hours of troubleshooting: A hard reboot on
my elcheapo home router. I did that only out of frustration after
having looked into everything else I could think of.
I've never figured out why that router would block one, or both, of the
ports associated with email to only one address on my lan, but it did.
Have you tried blacklisting the ipv6 module to see if that helps? IPv6
will sometimes really slow down apparent network performance on my
machines, and a little Googling on the subject of poor network
performance says this happens to be an issue that other people running
Ubuntu have run into.
I would also try using a packet sniffer to see if I could find a pattern
of retransmits from lost packets. The last thing I would try is to
replace the nic with another one just to see if the problem happens with
different hardware.
A. Ben Hmeda
Yes, I have. I have been using Linux as my main os since Caldera, then
RedHat 5.2 in 1999, I used Mandrake (3 versions) and FC1, FC2, Potato,
Sarge, FC 4/5. I found that this Debian variant (Ubuntu) is the only
version under which my new Logitech web cam and all my other new
peripherals worked out of the box ( perhaps due to inclusion of
restricted modules). I also believe (with no evidence) that Debian has
the most intelligent package management among the above mentioned
distros. This quirk is the only issue I have and if I have to do
/etc/init.d/networking restart every time, then I will. It just bugs me
that I don't know what is going on inside my machine.
Thanks
A. Ben Hmeda
> machine on my home lan could not send and receive email but all others
> could. The fix after many hours of troubleshooting: A hard reboot on
> my elcheapo home router. I did that only out of frustration after
> having looked into everything else I could think of.
>
> I've never figured out why that router would block one, or both, of the
> ports associated with email to only one address on my lan, but it did.
> Have you tried blacklisting the ipv6 module to see if that helps? IPv6
> will sometimes really slow down apparent network performance on my
> machines, and a little Googling on the subject of poor network
> performance says this happens to be an issue that other people running
> Ubuntu have run into.
>
> I would also try using a packet sniffer to see if I could find a pattern
> of retransmits from lost packets. The last thing I would try is to
> replace the nic with another one just to see if the problem happens with
> different hardware.
>
I have reset my cheap router several times during my bouts with ubuntu.
The thing is, it never happened with any other distro, including the
latest, Sarge and Fedora 5 (a distro that I only ditched last month). I
have no more PCI slots, my NIC is a USB adapter using the pegasus kernel
module and IPv6 is blacklisted.
I will try your suggestion, perhaps I'll be able to sniff the ghost in
my machine.
Marty
> I have an Internet router for sharing cable Internet connection. 3 PCs
> plugged into this router, class C network, I think. All with static IPs
> 192.168.1.2,3 and 4. Gateway (router) is 192.168.1.1 DNS is my ISP's
> 64.71.255.198 I am using 100Mb Ethernet and 10/100Mb router. My Internet
> connection speed is only 1Mbps (max) My internet download speeds range
> from 90kB/s to 114kB/s. Under Ubuntu, they crawl at 15kB/s to 25kB/s
> max! under static IP setup or dhcp setup.
I forgot to mention before, that details about your NIC and kernel may also be
relevant. See below.
>
> The machine with the problem is my AMDSMP. I have had absolutely no
> problem with network speed (internal and external) until I installed
> Dapper. As it is now, it is a dual booting machine (win2k and ubuntu)
The point I was trying to make is to determine whether the problem (with Ubuntu)
exists in the LAN traffic as well as in the internet connection traffic.
Whether the slowdown also occurs in LAN traffic, or alternatively, only with
internet traffic, this information would tend to narrow down the problem a great
deal and could help point to the cause.
>
> Previously, it ran Debian Sarge, Fedora Core 4 and 5, alongside win2k
> without any problems. Presently, my network speed is fine under windows,
> was fine under Sarge, Fedora 4 and 5 on the same machine, except for ubuntu.
Although that makes physical layer issues less likely, it doesn't eliminate
them. The only way to completely eliminate physical layer issues is to swap
cables, router ports, and (lastly) NICs. These kinds of tests should probably
be the first things to try because they are so easy to do, although they have a
very low probability of being the cause.
>
> As I was poking around, trying to figure this out, I noticed that
> network speed is drastically improved, back to 90kB to 114kB under
> Ubuntu when, in GNOME, I open the System>>Administration>>Networking and
> just click OK, without actually changing anything! This makes no sense
> to me and I have no explanation for it, it certainly does not change the
> content in my /etc/network/interfaces but I was able to duplicate the
> steps with same results every time. Is the
> System>>Administration>>Networking>>OK the same as
> /etc/init.d/networking restart?
I don't know, but you could find out by executing the command on the CLI as
root. If it fixes the problem then it could be a NIC driver initialization
issue. Then you should start experimenting with different drivers and NICs to
narrow down the cause. Otherwise we may not be able to exclude the "ghosts"
hypothesis proposed by another list member. :O
Joe Hart
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A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
[snip]
> I have been using Linux as my main os since Caldera, then
> RedHat 5.2 in 1999, I used Mandrake (3 versions) and FC1, FC2, Potato,
> Sarge, FC 4/5. I found that this Debian variant (Ubuntu) is the only
> version under which my new Logitech web cam and all my other new
> peripherals worked out of the box ( perhaps due to inclusion of
> restricted modules). I also believe (with no evidence) that Debian has
> the most intelligent package management among the above mentioned
> distros. This quirk is the only issue I have and if I have to do
> /etc/init.d/networking restart every time, then I will. It just bugs me
> that I don't know what is going on inside my machine.
I am not suggesting that Ubuntu is a bad distribution. If it is good
for you, that's fine.
As for your having to reissue that command, it seems strange. Like
Marty said, see if you can isolate where the problem is coming from.
It is very strange indeed that restarting the networking solves the
issue. It sounds to me like something is not right in your init
scripts, or your nic needs more time to "wake up". Very strange indeed.
Joe
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Douglas Allan Tutty
> Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> >Joe Hart wrote:
Ben,
I've been following this thread but not commenting since I don't do
gnome.
Do I understand correctly that you boot stright to gnome, start a
download and get poor network components but if you do a gnome network
setup thingy it improves? I'm also not clear if it improves if you do
/etc/initd./networking restart?
I would be curious to eliminate gnome as a problem. What happens if you
turn off gdm and reboot. This should take you to a normal CLI login.
Login, and start a download and note the speed. If its still slow, try
restarting networking and try again, then either way restart gnome
(startx).
Assuming that the problem isn't gnome, I'll tell you a problem I have
and see if it points anywhere. My new box has a 10/100/1000 ethernet,
whereas the other end of the crossover cable (no switch) is to my 486
with 10 ethernet. If I start the 486 before the new box, when the
kernel on the new box initializes the ethernet port, it freezes the
486's NIC. I wonder if there's something like this going on.
If networking starts out OK then degrades when something later starts up
in the init scripts, you could put your own initscript to run last that
restarts networking.
Doug.
Thilo Six
> Ben,
> I've been following this thread but not commenting since I don't do
> gnome.
>
> Do I understand correctly that you boot stright to gnome, start a
> download and get poor network components but if you do a gnome network
> setup thingy it improves? I'm also not clear if it improves if you do
> /etc/initd./networking restart?
>
> I would be curious to eliminate gnome as a problem.
<snip>
hmm wait
may it be network manager?
What when you stop it Ben?
sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
> Doug.
bye Thilo
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Thilo Six
<snip>
> hmm wait
> may it be network manager?
> What when you stop it Ben?
>
> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
But this would only apply to releases after dapper afaik.
what gives you
$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling
?
It should be 0
Joe Hart
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Thilo Six wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote the following on 18.03.2007 20:24:
>
>> Ben,
>> I've been following this thread but not commenting since I don't do
>> gnome.
>>
>> Do I understand correctly that you boot stright to gnome, start a
>> download and get poor network components but if you do a gnome network
>> setup thingy it improves? I'm also not clear if it improves if you do
>> /etc/initd./networking restart?
>>
>> I would be curious to eliminate gnome as a problem.
>
> <snip>
>
> hmm wait
> may it be network manager?
You mean network mangler. That's what it is to a desktop gateway.
> What when you stop it Ben?
>
> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
>
>> Doug.
>
>
>
> bye Thilo
i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
- - some friend of mine
What is this supposed to mean?
Joe
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Marty
> what gives you
>
> $ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling
>
> ?
>
> It should be 0
It's 1 on my system.
From ip-sysctl.txt:
tcp_window_scaling - BOOLEAN
Enable window scaling as defined in RFC1323.
This seems like a good thing. Why do you say it should be 0?
Freddy Freeloader
> Marty wrote the following on 18.03.2007 21:22:
>
>> Thilo Six wrote:
>>
>>
>>> what gives you
>>>
>>> $ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> It should be 0
>>>
>> It's 1 on my system.
>>
>> From ip-sysctl.txt:
>> tcp_window_scaling - BOOLEAN
>> Enable window scaling as defined in RFC1323.
>>
>> This seems like a good thing. Why do you say it should be 0?
>>
>
>
> bye Thilo
>
Very true. The NOAA website for Spokane, WA will not respond if
tcp_window_scaling is enabled.
Freddy Freeloader
> Joe Hart wrote the following on 18.03.2007 21:11:
>
>> Thilo Six wrote:
>>
>>> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote the following on 18.03.2007 20:24:
>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>> I've been following this thread but not commenting since I don't do
>>>> gnome.
>>>>
>>>> Do I understand correctly that you boot stright to gnome, start a
>>>> download and get poor network components but if you do a gnome network
>>>> setup thingy it improves? I'm also not clear if it improves if you do
>>>> /etc/initd./networking restart?
>>>>
>>>> I would be curious to eliminate gnome as a problem.
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> hmm wait
>>> may it be network manager?
>>>
>> You mean network mangler. That's what it is to a desktop gateway.
>>
>
> what i mean is:
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/network-manager
>
>
I'd have to agree. I think network-manager does more harm than good
many times. I installed and configured some servers for a small
business that wanted gui's on their servers so network manager was
installed by default. The servers were multi-homed and I only
configured one interface to begin with. It was pointed to one of the
two gateways, but when I started the server after installation it kept
insisting on using the other gateway and obtaining an address via dhcp,
even though I had given the one interface I configured a static
address. Turns out n-m was using one of the non-configured, and
unlisted in /etc/network/interfaces nic's to access the internet as n-m
will not use a manually configured interface. I had to uninstall n-m to
get the machine to access the correct gateway.
>
>>> What when you stop it Ben?
>>>
>>> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
>>> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
>>>
>>>> Doug.
>>>>
>>
>>> bye Thilo
>>>
>> i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
>> - some friend of mine
>>
>> What is this supposed to mean?
>>
>
> Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
> is like a smart way of saying Ubuntu GNU/Linux
> 2.6 refers to linux kernel and kde is obviously not ubuntu
>
> although when it was "created" it was a mistake by a newcomer
> i like the "deeper" meaning behind it
>
>
>> Joe
>>
>
> bye Thilo
A. Ben Hmeda
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> [snip]
>> I have been using Linux as my main os since Caldera, then
>> RedHat 5.2 in 1999, I used Mandrake (3 versions) and FC1, FC2, Potato,
>> Sarge, FC 4/5. I found that this Debian variant (Ubuntu) is the only
>> version under which my new Logitech web cam and all my other new
>> peripherals worked out of the box ( perhaps due to inclusion of
>> restricted modules). I also believe (with no evidence) that Debian has
>> the most intelligent package management among the above mentioned
>> distros. This quirk is the only issue I have and if I have to do
>> /etc/init.d/networking restart every time, then I will. It just bugs me
>> that I don't know what is going on inside my machine.
>
> I am not suggesting that Ubuntu is a bad distribution. If it is good
> for you, that's fine.
>
> As for your having to reissue that command, it seems strange. Like
> Marty said, see if you can isolate where the problem is coming from.
>
> It is very strange indeed that restarting the networking solves the
> issue. It sounds to me like something is not right in your init
> scripts, or your nic needs more time to "wake up". Very strange indeed.
>
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I will certainly examine my setup and init scripts. Thanks.
A. Ben Hmeda
> A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
>
>> I have an Internet router for sharing cable Internet connection. 3 PCs
>> plugged into this router, class C network, I think. All with static
>> IPs 192.168.1.2,3 and 4. Gateway (router) is 192.168.1.1 DNS is my
>> ISP's 64.71.255.198 I am using 100Mb Ethernet and 10/100Mb router. My
>> Internet connection speed is only 1Mbps (max) My internet download
>> speeds range from 90kB/s to 114kB/s. Under Ubuntu, they crawl at
>> 15kB/s to 25kB/s max! under static IP setup or dhcp setup.
>
> I forgot to mention before, that details about your NIC and kernel may
> also be relevant. See below.
>
>>
>> The machine with the problem is my AMDSMP. I have had absolutely no
>> problem with network speed (internal and external) until I installed
>> Dapper. As it is now, it is a dual booting machine (win2k and ubuntu)
>
> The point I was trying to make is to determine whether the problem (with
> Ubuntu) exists in the LAN traffic as well as in the internet connection
> traffic. Whether the slowdown also occurs in LAN traffic, or
> alternatively, only with internet traffic, this information would tend
> to narrow down the problem a great deal and could help point to the cause.
It exists on both lan and wan. I tested using file transfer (smb)
between my machine and kidpc (win2k) and found that by re-issuing the
command /etc/init.d/networking restart, the transfer speed within LAN
almost doubled.
>
>>
>> Previously, it ran Debian Sarge, Fedora Core 4 and 5, alongside win2k
>> without any problems. Presently, my network speed is fine under
>> windows, was fine under Sarge, Fedora 4 and 5 on the same machine,
>> except for ubuntu.
>
> Although that makes physical layer issues less likely, it doesn't
> eliminate them. The only way to completely eliminate physical layer
> issues is to swap cables, router ports, and (lastly) NICs. These kinds
> of tests should probably be the first things to try because they are so
> easy to do, although they have a very low probability of being the cause.
>
>>
>> As I was poking around, trying to figure this out, I noticed that
>> network speed is drastically improved, back to 90kB to 114kB under
>> Ubuntu when, in GNOME, I open the System>>Administration>>Networking
>> and just click OK, without actually changing anything! This makes no
>> sense to me and I have no explanation for it, it certainly does not
>> change the content in my /etc/network/interfaces but I was able to
>> duplicate the steps with same results every time. Is the
>> System>>Administration>>Networking>>OK the same as
>> /etc/init.d/networking restart?
>
> I don't know, but you could find out by executing the command on the CLI
> as root. If it fixes the problem then it could be a NIC driver
> initialization issue. Then you should start experimenting with
> different drivers and NICs to narrow down the cause. Otherwise we may
> not be able to exclude the "ghosts" hypothesis proposed by another list
> member. :O
>
Re-issuing the command fixes the problem, I will live with it as I have
no more PCI slots left to install another NIC.
Thank you all so much for the help.
A. Ben Hmeda
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote the following on 18.03.2007 20:24:
>
>> Ben,
>> I've been following this thread but not commenting since I don't do
>> gnome.
>>
>> Do I understand correctly that you boot stright to gnome, start a
>> download and get poor network components but if you do a gnome network
>> setup thingy it improves? I'm also not clear if it improves if you do
>> /etc/initd./networking restart?
>>
>> I would be curious to eliminate gnome as a problem.
>
> <snip>
>
> hmm wait
> may it be network manager?
>
>
> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
>
>> Doug.
>
>
>
> bye Thilo
sudo: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager: command not found
A. Ben Hmeda
> Thilo Six wrote the following on 18.03.2007 20:43:
>
> <snip>
>
>> hmm wait
>> may it be network manager?
>> What when you stop it Ben?
>>
>> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
>> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
>
>
>
> $ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling
>
> ?
>
> It should be 0
>
>
>
>
> bye Thilo
It gives me a one (1)
A. Ben Hmeda
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 12:20:01PM -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
>> Freddy Freeloader wrote:
>>> Joe Hart wrote:
>
> I've been following this thread but not commenting since I don't do
> gnome.
>
> Do I understand correctly that you boot stright to gnome, start a
> download and get poor network components but if you do a gnome network
> setup thingy it improves? I'm also not clear if it improves if you do
> /etc/initd./networking restart?
>
Yes, it also improves when I issue /etc/init.d/networking restart,
either one will work
> I would be curious to eliminate gnome as a problem. What happens if you
> turn off gdm and reboot. This should take you to a normal CLI login.
> Login, and start a download and note the speed. If its still slow, try
> restarting networking and try again, then either way restart gnome
> (startx).
>
I thought Gnome had something to do with it initially, but it doesn't. I
am experiencing the same under WindowMaker and gftp-test mode.
> Assuming that the problem isn't gnome, I'll tell you a problem I have
> and see if it points anywhere. My new box has a 10/100/1000 ethernet,
> whereas the other end of the crossover cable (no switch) is to my 486
> with 10 ethernet. If I start the 486 before the new box, when the
> kernel on the new box initializes the ethernet port, it freezes the
> 486's NIC. I wonder if there's something like this going on.
>
> If networking starts out OK then degrades when something later starts up
> in the init scripts, you could put your own initscript to run last that
> restarts networking.
Networking starts slow, it improves drastically after I restart it!
Thanks for your input.
>
> Doug.
Greg Folkert
> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has
> slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I
> have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox, still slow by about 50%.
>
> My machine AMDSMP is dual boot w2k/ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (2xAthlon 2000+ 512
> RAM), network is at full speed with win2k and Fedora Core 5 (now
> deleted) on this machine.
>
> I have another Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS machine SERVER (2xP3-500 256RAM) and a
> Win2k KIDPC (P3-866 512RAM) on the same home network that do not have
> this problem with the network slowdowns.
>
> My benchmark is http://www.testmy.net/ website. Every machine on the
> network has been tested separately, while other machines were turned off.
First off, why the heck are you using 6.06.1?
Stop being a fuddy. Upgrade to Edgy and the newer kernel and init
system.
Then come back here.
Until you at least become current on you workstation, stop asking
questions.
I don't really care to support an OLD version of a Debian derivative,
that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
continue.
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Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's
Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive
product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at
the playfield. -- Thane Walkup
Joe Hart
Hash: SHA1
Thilo Six wrote:
[snip]
>>> may it be network manager?
>> You mean network mangler. That's what it is to a desktop gateway.
>
> sorry never heard of network mangler.
> what i mean is:
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/network-manager
Network-manager is a daemon that will re-enable a network connection
when it detects that it goes down. It also allows one to change
connections on the fly through interfaces such as KNetworkManager.
However, it can only handle one network connection at a time, thus on a
gateway machine that has 2 nics, it must be removed. Historically it
has also brought down network connections that were working fine,
therefore inherited the pun, network mangler.
>
>
>>> What when you stop it Ben?
>>> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
>>> sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
>>>> Doug.
>>
>>> bye Thilo
>> i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
>> - some friend of mine
>>
>> What is this supposed to mean?
>
> Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
> is like a smart way of saying Ubuntu GNU/Linux
> 2.6 refers to linux kernel and kde is obviously not ubuntu
>
> although when it was "created" it was a mistake by a newcomer
> i like the "deeper" meaning behind it
Ubuntu has never been anything but 2.6. Wouldn't 2.6.17 Kubuntu be more
accurate, but then again, you could just say (K)ubuntu Dapper or Edgy
and be done with it.
I don't get the humor, and IMO, it just makes you seem even more of a novice
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> On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
>> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has
>> slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I
>> have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox, still slow by about 50%.
>>
>> My machine AMDSMP is dual boot w2k/ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (2xAthlon 2000+ 512
>> RAM), network is at full speed with win2k and Fedora Core 5 (now
>> deleted) on this machine.
>>
>> I have another Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS machine SERVER (2xP3-500 256RAM) and a
>> Win2k KIDPC (P3-866 512RAM) on the same home network that do not have
>> this problem with the network slowdowns.
>>
>> My benchmark is http://www.testmy.net/ website. Every machine on the
>> network has been tested separately, while other machines were turned off.
>
> First off, why the heck are you using 6.06.1?
>
> Stop being a fuddy. Upgrade to Edgy and the newer kernel and init
> system.
>
fuddy? mamma mia please don't get too technical with me.
> Then come back here.
>
> Until you at least become current on you workstation, stop asking
> questions.
>
Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
> I don't really care to support an OLD version of a Debian derivative,
> that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
> continue.
If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
in the first place? and Ubuntu isn't really Debian? what do you call a
distro that uses apt, aptitude, deborphan, dpkg, etc and claims to be
based on Debian? do you call it Yoper?
Thankfully, others have been very helpful here. The correct way to say
the above is to use "ME" instead of "US", unless ,of course, it is
planted in your head that you are a spokesperson for "all".
Joe Hart
Hash: SHA1
You're going to hit my ban list if you keep up that attitude.
Ubuntu != Debian no matter which utilities it uses. Don't believe me?
Change your repos from the ubuntu ones to the debian ones and try an
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and watch your system die.
The reason people here are helping you is because they are nice people.
They won't keep being so if you have an attitude problem. Perhaps Greg
was a bit out of line, but he's like that. So am I, sometimes.
Go bug the people on the ubuntu mailing list. There are plenty.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
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Greg Folkert
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
> >> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has
> >> slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I
> >> have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox, still slow by about 50%.
> >>
> >> My machine AMDSMP is dual boot w2k/ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (2xAthlon 2000+ 512
> >> RAM), network is at full speed with win2k and Fedora Core 5 (now
> >> deleted) on this machine.
> >>
> >> I have another Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS machine SERVER (2xP3-500 256RAM) and a
> >> Win2k KIDPC (P3-866 512RAM) on the same home network that do not have
> >> this problem with the network slowdowns.
> >>
> >> My benchmark is http://www.testmy.net/ website. Every machine on the
> >> network has been tested separately, while other machines were turned off.
> >
> > First off, why the heck are you using 6.06.1?
> >
> 6.0.6.1 is the currently supported version for 3 years.
Yep, but you are trying to get support for it from HERE. If you want
support for 3 years goto the COMMERCIAL place that supports it.
> > Stop being a fuddy. Upgrade to Edgy and the newer kernel and init
> > system.
> >
>
> fuddy? mamma mia please don't get too technical with me.
>
> > Then come back here.
> >
> > Until you at least become current on you workstation, stop asking
> > questions.
> >
>
> Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
All I see is many struggling to help you on a system that is not Debian.
> > I don't really care to support an OLD version of a Debian derivative,
> > that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
> > continue.
> If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
> in the first place?
I am not PISSED, if I were pissed and I had the gumption to reply, you'd
get a seriously LONG e-mail. Not just a 2-3 pager, a novel.
> and Ubuntu isn't really Debian?
Nope it has diverge significantly that many Debian packages will not
install on Ubuntu's Edgy.
> what do you call a
> distro that uses apt, aptitude, deborphan, dpkg, etc and claims to be
> based on Debian?
Lets see, off hand:
Admanix, APLINUX, ASLinux, AbulEdu, Formerly Demudi now ANGULA,
ANTEMIUM Linux, Arrabix, Augustux, Backtrack, B2D Linux, BenHUr,
BEERnix, Biadix, BIG LINUX, Bioknoppix, BlackRhino, BRLSpeak,
Bonzai Linux, ClusterKnoppix, Catix, CensorNet, Clusterix,
Condorux, Corel Linux, Danix, Demolinux, DebXPde, Dizinha Linux,
Debian JP, Debian-BR-CDD, DeveLinux, Damn Small Linux(DSL), DCC,
ESware Linux, eduKnoppix, ERPOSS, Evinux, Euronode, Engarde,
emdebian, Ebuntu, FAMELIX, FeatherLinux, FoRK (Vital Data
Forensic or Rescue Kit), Freeduc-cd, Freeduc-Sup, Finnix,
Familiar, GEOLivre Linux, Gibraltar, GNIX-Vivo, Kinneret,
GNUstep Live, grml, GuadaLinex, Gnoppix, Hiweed Linux, Helix,
Hikarunix, IndLinux, Impi Linux, Julex, K-DeMar, Kaella,
Knoppix Linux Azur, Kanotix, KlusTriX, knopILS, Knoppel,
Knoppix64, KnoppixSTD, KNOPPIX, KnoppiXMAME, KNOSciences,
Kurumin, Kalango Linux, Kunbuntu, KnoppMyth, LAMPPIX, LIIS
Linux, Libranet, LinEspa, Linspire, Linux-YeS, Linux Live Game
Project, Linux Loco, LinuxDefender Live! CD, Linux Router
Project, LiVix, Local Area Security Linux (L.A.S.), Luinux, Luit
Linux, Linex, Linuxin, Libranet(though now part of Mandriva),
MAX: Madrid Linux, MediainLinux, MEPIS, Metadistro-Pequelin,
MIKO GNYO/Linux, MoLinux, Munjoy Linux, Morphix, MeNTOPPIX,
Nature's Linux, NordisKnoppix, NepaLinux, NUbuntu,
OpenGroupware.org Knoppix CD, OverclockIX, Oralux, PAIPIX,
ParallelKnoppix, Parsix GNU/Linux, Penguin Sleuth Bootable CD,
PHLAK, PilotLinux, PingOO, Progeny Linux, Prosa, Quantian, RAYS
LX, Salvare, Santa Fe Linux, Slavix, Slix, Slo-Tech Linux,
Soyombo Mongolian Linux, SphinxOS, Stonegate, Stromix
Tecnologies' Storm Linux, Symphony OS, Skolelinux, Tablix on
Morphix, TelemetryBox, Tilix Linux, TupiServer Linux, Ubuntu,
User Linux, Ubuntu Lite X-evian, Xandros, Xfld, Xarnoppix,
Xebian, Zen Linux, ZoneCD, Zopix, zUbuntu
> do you call it Yoper?
> Thankfully, others have been very helpful here. The correct way to say
> the above is to use "ME" instead of "US", unless ,of course, it is
> planted in your head that you are a spokesperson for "all".
I guess, since we are now supporting Ubuntu, we now get to support all
those other one. Thanks Ben, you've just opened a can of worms.
--
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Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's
Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive
product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at
the playfield. -- Thane Walkup
Thilo Six
<snip>
>>> What is this supposed to mean?
>> Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
>
>> is like a smart way of saying Ubuntu GNU/Linux
>> 2.6 refers to linux kernel and kde is obviously not ubuntu
>
>> although when it was "created" it was a mistake by a newcomer
>> i like the "deeper" meaning behind it
that´s no problem.
just think of it as an "insider"
> Ubuntu has never been anything but 2.6. Wouldn't 2.6.17 Kubuntu be more
> accurate, but then again, you could just say (K)ubuntu Dapper or Edgy
> and be done with it.
>
> I don't get the humor, and IMO, it just makes you seem even more of a novice
I don´t have a problem with being a novice.
That means there still a lot things to learn which (is mostly) fun or at last
interesting.
> Joe
bye Thilo, unique novice as his sig.
--
i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
- some friend of mine
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Joe Hart
Hash: SHA1
Greg Folkert wrote:
[snip]
>> Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
>
> All I see is many struggling to help you on a system that is not Debian.
>
Agreed. This is the Debian User's mailing list.
>>> I don't really care to support an OLD version of a Debian derivative,
>>> that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
>>> continue.
>> If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
>> in the first place?
>
> I am not PISSED, if I were pissed and I had the gumption to reply, you'd
> get a seriously LONG e-mail. Not just a 2-3 pager, a novel.
>
>> and Ubuntu isn't really Debian?
>
> Nope it has diverge significantly that many Debian packages will not
> install on Ubuntu's Edgy.
See my other post in this thread.
You left out Sidux. Shame on you :) At least Sidux is Sid, just like
Kanotix was.
>> Thankfully, others have been very helpful here. The correct way to say
>> the above is to use "ME" instead of "US", unless ,of course, it is
>> planted in your head that you are a spokesperson for "all".
>
> I guess, since we are now supporting Ubuntu, we now get to support all
> those other one. Thanks Ben, you've just opened a can of worms.
Somehow I get the feeling that Ben won't be getting a lot of support in
the future. At least not from you or me.
A real good test to see what one's distribution is:
cat /etc/apt/sources.list
If you don't see the word debian there, and the site you're using isn't
listed on the official Debian mirrors
(http://www.debian.org/mirror/official), then you're not running Debian.
Joe
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Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
>>
>> Until you at least become current on you workstation, stop asking
>> questions.
>>
>
> Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
>
On a Debian user mailing list, I expect people to use Debian. Not Ubuntu,
not kanotix, not Xandros .... Though all these are based on Debian, they
are not Debian and there are crucial differences.
>> I don't really care to support an OLD version of a Debian derivative,
>> that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
>> continue.
> If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
> in the first place? and Ubuntu isn't really Debian? what do you call a
> distro that uses apt, aptitude, deborphan, dpkg, etc and claims to be
> based on Debian? do you call it Yoper?
Yes. Ubuntu is NOT Debian. It is BASED on Debian. That is a big difference.
The fact that you are getting any replies (and not being flamed so far)
just shows how helpful+knowledgeable the community is. It does not mean
that you can ask your **** Ubuntu related issues on this list. There are
enough Ubuntu forums, mailing lists out there. They are set up for a
reason. If you cannot find an answer there, it is YOUR problem to keep
running Ubuntu.
raju
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Paul E Condon
> A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Until you at least become current on you workstation, stop asking
> >> questions.
> >>
> >
> > Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
> >
>
> On a Debian user mailing list, I expect people to use Debian. Not Ubuntu,
> not kanotix, not Xandros .... Though all these are based on Debian, they
> are not Debian and there are crucial differences.
>
>
> >> I don't really care to support an OLD version of a Debian derivative,
> >> that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
> >> continue.
> > If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
> > in the first place? and Ubuntu isn't really Debian? what do you call a
> > distro that uses apt, aptitude, deborphan, dpkg, etc and claims to be
> > based on Debian? do you call it Yoper?
>
> Yes. Ubuntu is NOT Debian. It is BASED on Debian. That is a big difference.
> The fact that you are getting any replies (and not being flamed so far)
> just shows how helpful+knowledgeable the community is. It does not mean
> that you can ask your **** Ubuntu related issues on this list. There are
> enough Ubuntu forums, mailing lists out there. They are set up for a
> reason. If you cannot find an answer there, it is YOUR problem to keep
> running Ubuntu.
>
In another thread, a poster who claims to be Ian Murdock said that Ubuntu is
considered to be Debian. I say Debian is the 'One True Way', but that Ubuntu
is a 'Lesser Way' that can lead to Debian ;-)
--
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peco...@mesanetworks.net
Andrei Popescu
> In another thread, a poster who claims to be Ian Murdock said that
> Ubuntu is considered to be Debian. I say Debian is the 'One True
> Way', but that Ubuntu is a 'Lesser Way' that can lead to Debian ;-)
>
H.S. is not claiming to be Ian Murdock, he is just quoting him.
Regards,
Andrei
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(Albert Einstein)
H.S.
> In another thread, a poster who claims to be Ian Murdock said that Ubuntu is
I think you are referring to a post I made regarding his quote in one of
his interviews.
I *never* claimed to be Ian Murdock. What is the world gave you that
impression? What you wrote above is grossly wrong.
> considered to be Debian. I say Debian is the 'One True Way', but that Ubuntu
> is a 'Lesser Way' that can lead to Debian ;-)
>
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A. Ben Hmeda
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>> Greg Folkert wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
>>>> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has
>>>> slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I
>>>> have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox, still slow by about 50%.
>>>>
>>>> My machine AMDSMP is dual boot w2k/ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (2xAthlon 2000+ 512
>>>> RAM), network is at full speed with win2k and Fedora Core 5 (now
>>>> deleted) on this machine.
>>>>
>>>> I have another Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS machine SERVER (2xP3-500 256RAM) and a
>>>> Win2k KIDPC (P3-866 512RAM) on the same home network that do not have
>>>> this problem with the network slowdowns.
>>>>
>>>> My benchmark is http://www.testmy.net/ website. Every machine on the
>>>> network has been tested separately, while other machines were turned
>>>> off.
>>> First off, why the heck are you using 6.06.1?
>>>
>> 6.0.6.1 is the currently supported version for 3 years.
>>
>>> system.
>>>
>> fuddy? mamma mia please don't get too technical with me.
>>
>>> Then come back here.
>>>
>>> questions.
>>>
>> Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
>>
>>> that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
>>> continue.
>> If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
>> in the first place? and Ubuntu isn't really Debian? what do you call a
>> distro that uses apt, aptitude, deborphan, dpkg, etc and claims to be
>> based on Debian? do you call it Yoper?
>>
>> the above is to use "ME" instead of "US", unless ,of course, it is
>> planted in your head that you are a spokesperson for "all".
>>
>>
>
> Ubuntu != Debian no matter which utilities it uses. Don't believe me?
> Change your repos from the ubuntu ones to the debian ones and try an
> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and watch your system die.
>
I have done that twice before, back when Sarge became stable. Granted
that I didn't do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. I just changed
repositories in Synaptic and opted for Debian packages, a few at a time.
> The reason people here are helping you is because they are nice people.
Yes they are, lest you note that I was and still very thankful to those
who offered their help.
> They won't keep being so if you have an attitude problem. Perhaps Greg
> was a bit out of line, but he's like that. So am I, sometimes.
>
> Go bug the people on the ubuntu mailing list. There are plenty.
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
I have, I think that people on this list are much more experienced.
>
> Joe
>
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A. Ben Hmeda
> On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 09:22 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
>> Greg Folkert wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
>>>> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has
>>>> slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I
>>>> have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox, still slow by about 50%.
>>>>
>>>> My machine AMDSMP is dual boot w2k/ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (2xAthlon 2000+ 512
>>>> RAM), network is at full speed with win2k and Fedora Core 5 (now
>>>> deleted) on this machine.
>>>>
>>>> I have another Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS machine SERVER (2xP3-500 256RAM) and a
>>>> Win2k KIDPC (P3-866 512RAM) on the same home network that do not have
>>>> this problem with the network slowdowns.
>>>>
>>>> My benchmark is http://www.testmy.net/ website. Every machine on the
>>>> network has been tested separately, while other machines were turned off.
>>> First off, why the heck are you using 6.06.1?
>>>
>> 6.0.6.1 is the currently supported version for 3 years.
>
> support for 3 years goto the COMMERCIAL place that supports it.
>
>>> Stop being a fuddy. Upgrade to Edgy and the newer kernel and init
>>> system.
>>>
>> fuddy? mamma mia please don't get too technical with me.
>>
>>> Then come back here.
>>>
>>> Until you at least become current on you workstation, stop asking
>>> questions.
>>>
>> Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
>
> All I see is many struggling to help you on a system that is not Debian.
>
>>> I don't really care to support an OLD version of a Debian derivative,
>>> that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
>>> continue.
>> If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
>> in the first place?
>
> I am not PISSED, if I were pissed and I had the gumption to reply, you'd
> get a seriously LONG e-mail. Not just a 2-3 pager, a novel.
>
>> and Ubuntu isn't really Debian?
>
> Nope it has diverge significantly that many Debian packages will not
> install on Ubuntu's Edgy.
>
>> what do you call a
>> distro that uses apt, aptitude, deborphan, dpkg, etc and claims to be
>> based on Debian?
>
WOW, thats a lot of Debian, did you go through the trouble of noting
that Libranet is now part of Mandriva? Impressive.
>> do you call it Yoper?
>
>
>> Thankfully, others have been very helpful here. The correct way to say
>> the above is to use "ME" instead of "US", unless ,of course, it is
>> planted in your head that you are a spokesperson for "all".
>
> I guess, since we are now supporting Ubuntu, we now get to support all
> those other one. Thanks Ben, you've just opened a can of worms.
No, Greg, you (again with the collective WE) don't have to support
anything, you could have easily ignored this thread, it is not like I
was gonna comeback and cry about it.
A. Ben Hmeda
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> [snip]
>>> Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge?
>> All I see is many struggling to help you on a system that is not Debian.
>>
>
>
>>>> that isn't really Debian in the first place. Do us THAT before we
>>>> continue.
>>> If you are so pissed off that I'm not using 6.10, why are you replying
>>> in the first place?
>> I am not PISSED, if I were pissed and I had the gumption to reply, you'd
>> get a seriously LONG e-mail. Not just a 2-3 pager, a novel.
>>
>>> and Ubuntu isn't really Debian?
>> Nope it has diverge significantly that many Debian packages will not
>> install on Ubuntu's Edgy.
>
>
> Kanotix was.
>
>>> the above is to use "ME" instead of "US", unless ,of course, it is
>>> planted in your head that you are a spokesperson for "all".
>> I guess, since we are now supporting Ubuntu, we now get to support all
>> those other one. Thanks Ben, you've just opened a can of worms.
>
> the future. At least not from you or me.
>
> A real good test to see what one's distribution is:
> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> If you don't see the word debian there, and the site you're using isn't
> listed on the official Debian mirrors
> (http://www.debian.org/mirror/official), then you're not running Debian.
>
Ok Joe, here is my repo http://DEBIAN.yorku.ca/ubuntu
When I did a Sarge net install, dselect fetched me the York university
mirror, http://DEBIAN.yorku.ca/DEBIAN/ I was certainly running DEBIAN
Sarge on two machines back then. I use this mirror for my other machine,
2xP3500 currently running Sarge. Somehow I get the feeling that despite
your knowledge, you're full of hot air. But thanks all the same for all
the support that you WERE GONNA give me.
> Joe
> - --
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Greg Folkert
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 09:22 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
> >> Greg Folkert wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote:
> >>>> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has
> >>>> slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I
> >>>> have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox, still slow by about 50%.
> >>>>
> >>>> My machine AMDSMP is dual boot w2k/ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (2xAthlon 2000+ 512
> >>>> RAM), network is at full speed with win2k and Fedora Core 5 (now
> >>>> deleted) on this machine.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have another Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS machine SERVER (2xP3-500 256RAM) and a
> >>>> Win2k KIDPC (P3-866 512RAM) on the same home network that do not have
> >>>> this problem with the network slowdowns.
> >>>>
> >>>> My benchmark is http://www.testmy.net/ website. Every machine on the
> >>>> network has been tested separately, while other machines were turned off.
> >>> First off, why the heck are you using 6.06.1?
> >>>
> >> 6.0.6.1 is the currently supported version for 3 years.
> >
> > Yep, but you are trying to get support for it from HERE. If you want
> > support for 3 years goto the COMMERCIAL place that supports it.
> >
> 3 year security support, not commercial.
But it is STILL a commercial entity that does the 3 years support. You
are a few pancakes short of a short stack.
Read it again, 3 year security support from UBUNTU, not DEBIAN. UBUNTU 3
Security Year Support. NOT 3 year support of Dapper From DEBIAN. Read it
again, 3 year security support from UBUNTU, not DEBIAN. UBUNTU 3
Security Year Support. NOT 3 year support of Dapper From DEBIAN. Read it
again, 3 year security support from UBUNTU, not DEBIAN. UBUNTU 3
Security Year Support. NOT 3 year support of Dapper From DEBIAN. Read it
again, 3 year security support from UBUNTU, not DEBIAN. UBUNTU 3
Security Year Support. NOT 3 year support of Dapper From DEBIAN. Read it
again, 3 year security support from UBUNTU, not DEBIAN. UBUNTU 3
Security Year Support. NOT 3 year support of Dapper From DEBIAN.
Yes, so you can see I understand.
> >> do you call it Yoper?
> >
> > http://www.yoper.com/ ?
> >
> >> Thankfully, others have been very helpful here. The correct way to say
> >> the above is to use "ME" instead of "US", unless ,of course, it is
> >> planted in your head that you are a spokesperson for "all".
> >
> > I guess, since we are now supporting Ubuntu, we now get to support all
> > those other one. Thanks Ben, you've just opened a can of worms.
>
> No, Greg, you (again with the collective WE) don't have to support
> anything, you could have easily ignored this thread, it is not like I
> was gonna comeback and cry about it.
If I were to ignore this thread, we would have to support the other
distros. It works like trademark enforcement. If we just let it happen,
we can't tighten up later. Read and repeat to yourself:
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian
Even though Ian Murdock says so. He is saying it is Debian, because it
is spawned by Debian... it is related, but has diverged significantly
from Debian. It has especially change in the "init" sections of the OS,
which is where YOUR problem exists.
--
greg, gr...@gregfolkert.net
Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's
Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive
product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at
the playfield. -- Thane Walkup
Marty
> Even though Ian Murdock says so. He is saying it is Debian, because it
> is spawned by Debian... it is related, but has diverged significantly
> from Debian. It has especially change in the "init" sections of the OS,
> which is where YOUR problem exists.
I don't think that's been established, and I've been following this
thread from the start. Until the problem is identified, it's not
clear that it doesn't also exist in Debian. If it's a driver initialization
issue (as I suspect) then it could affect all distributions.
Furhermore, like Murdock, I see the proliferation of debian-based distros as
a positive thing, rather than some type of subversive threat, or a cause for
circling the wagons.
If in the future I decide to use a spinoff distribution, it's valuable to know
that I can still get support from Debian users. Of course, this would be
done only after seeking support from uses of the spinoff distro, as the OP in
this thread did.
Greg Folkert
[...snip...]
>
> If in the future I decide to use a spinoff distribution, it's valuable to know
> that I can still get support from Debian users. Of course, this would be
> done only after seeking support from uses of the spinoff distro, as the OP in
> this thread did.
Okay, he is trying to get support for an older version of Ubuntu. Dapper
is not the current version of Ubuntu. Init system drives the driver
initialization. Drivers not properly being loaded is exactly in the init
system.
I can't seem to find any references to a...@canada.com on any ubuntu.com,
including lists.ubuntu.com or or ubuntuforums.org
Original message say he searched and found nothing.
To quote:
I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection
has slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper
(6.06.1 LTS) I have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox,
still slow by about 50%.
What does that tell you? No he never asked the questions. I find no
references to his e-mail address on lists.u.c or any "*hmeda" user or
any signatures in ubuntuforums. Not to mention I've found several
threads that address this specific issue. I don't think he has good
faith when telling us he looked.
I think this comes down to the fact that he is a bad question asker and
not even in the proper venue. Doesn't know how to search and I believe
his real problem comes down to DNS resolution issues or /var issues or
both.
So, AFAIC, we have been duped and he garners nothing more than a "Hey
install Edgy, until then don't come back" pretty soone if he waits long
enough, it'll be a "Hey install Fiesty, until then don't come back"
His excuse is "3 years of security support". Big deal, Woody had nearly
4.5 years of security support. The LTS releases from Ubuntu are
supported by Ubuntu, not Debian. I am not at all ready to support some
thing foreign to Debian for 3 years. Unless he pays cash on the barrel
head. Then I will fix the problem.
And last but far from least, Ubuntu has a significantly different init
system than Debian right now. PLUS they install zeroconf by default and
causes headaches every where.
One other thing, *IF* he changed /var to a separate filesystem after the
install, there are some significant problems that will occur. Like; a
network interface not coming up properly, or a DNS resolution issue to
name a couple. These come back to the divergence of Ubuntu from Debian
as the Debian helpers don't know about the /var/run and /var/lock
issues. I've dealt with this problem numerous times with Ubuntu Dapper.
I know more about Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy than I'd like to admit, but
still he is not asking in the right venue.
--
greg, gr...@gregfolkert.net
I think it's a mistake to ever look for hope outside of one's self. One
day the house smells of fresh bread, the next of smoke and blood. One
day you faint because the gardener cuts his finger off, within a week
you're climbing over corpses of children bombed in a subway. What hope
can there be if that is so? I tried to die near the end of the war. The
same dream returned each night until I dared not to go to sleep and grew
quite ill. I dreamed I had a child, and even in the dream I saw it was
my life, and it was an idiot, and I ran away. But it always crept onto
my lap again, clutched at my clothes. Until I thought, if I could kiss
it, whatever in it was my own, perhaps I could sleep. And I bent to its
broken face, and it was horrible...but I kissed it. I think one must
finally take one's life in one's arms.
Arthur Miller
from the play After the Fall
A. Ben Hmeda
> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 22:18 -0400, Marty wrote:
> [...snip...]
>> If in the future I decide to use a spinoff distribution, it's valuable to know
>> that I can still get support from Debian users. Of course, this would be
>> done only after seeking support from uses of the spinoff distro, as the OP in
>> this thread did.
>
> Okay, he is trying to get support for an older version of Ubuntu. Dapper
> is not the current version of Ubuntu. Init system drives the driver
> initialization. Drivers not properly being loaded is exactly in the init
> system.
>
> I can't seem to find any references to a...@canada.com on any ubuntu.com,
> including lists.ubuntu.com or or ubuntuforums.org
>
It is a fake e-mail address.
> Original message say he searched and found nothing.
>
> To quote:
> I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection
> has slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper
> (6.06.1 LTS) I have disabled ipv6 in /etc/aliases and Firefox,
> still slow by about 50%.
>
> What does that tell you? No he never asked the questions. I find no
> references to his e-mail address on lists.u.c or any "*hmeda" user or
> any signatures in ubuntuforums. Not to mention I've found several
> threads that address this specific issue. I don't think he has good
> faith when telling us he looked.
At Ubuntu forums, I found at least 8 different threads around the same
subject (Slow Ubuntu) spanning about 3 versions of the distro. Did the
same on Google. All suggestions were pretty much the
same:disable/blacklist ipv6, which I have. What do you think the answer
would have been if I had asked the same question again? Probably
something along the lines of "This question has already been answered a
million times, why don't you search...etc." or "Disable ipv6". I asked
the question here because I know that the wealth and depth of
information on this list is great. FYI, I have been lurking here for
years and got my Sarge support here, without asking a single question.
So you can guess how desperate I was by subscribing to the list and
daring to ask...eek, I'll stick to lurking.
>
> I think this comes down to the fact that he is a bad question asker and
> not even in the proper venue. Doesn't know how to search and I believe
> his real problem comes down to DNS resolution issues or /var issues or
> both.
>
> So, AFAIC, we have been duped and he garners nothing more than a "Hey
> install Edgy, until then don't come back" pretty soone if he waits long
> enough, it'll be a "Hey install Fiesty, until then don't come back"
>
> His excuse is "3 years of security support". Big deal, Woody had nearly
> 4.5 years of security support. The LTS releases from Ubuntu are
> supported by Ubuntu, not Debian. I am not at all ready to support some
> thing foreign to Debian for 3 years. Unless he pays cash on the barrel
> head. Then I will fix the problem.
But my webcam, for example, didn't work on woody, Sarge nor FC5 (for
obvious reasons). Enter Ubuntu, IMO, a fully functional desktop, based
on my favorite distro, except for this tiny quirk that only exists in
one out of two machines running the same distro. So, I think that
picking LTS was damn good excuse.
> And last but far from least, Ubuntu has a significantly different init
> system than Debian right now. PLUS they install zeroconf by default and
> causes headaches every where.
>
> One other thing, *IF* he changed /var to a separate filesystem after the
> install, there are some significant problems that will occur. Like; a
> network interface not coming up properly, or a DNS resolution issue to
> name a couple. These come back to the divergence of Ubuntu from Debian
> as the Debian helpers don't know about the /var/run and /var/lock
> issues. I've dealt with this problem numerous times with Ubuntu Dapper.
>
> I know more about Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy than I'd like to admit, but
> still he is not asking in the right venue.
I'm also asking in comp.os.linux.networking, the suggestions over there
are actually quite interesting. Thanks.
Joe Hart
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>>
>> I can't seem to find any references to a...@canada.com on any ubuntu.com,
>> including lists.ubuntu.com or or ubuntuforums.org
>>
>
> It is a fake e-mail address.
Another reason for banning you.
Seriously though, your problem is Dapper. If you want a Dapper that
works properly, perhaps Mepis will work. It's Dapper, fixed (almost).
On the other hand, maybe the nic in your machine has problems? How are
we to know?
The point is that we cannot replicate your problem because we don't use
the same software. Incedently, my ipv6 is enabled and I don't have any
slowdowns. I did when I ran Dapper.
This is the last message in this thread I am going to post. I am done
with it.
Joe
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[snipped ridiculous flamage]
>
> At Ubuntu forums, I found at least 8 different threads around the same
> subject (Slow Ubuntu) spanning about 3 versions of the distro. Did the
> same on Google. All suggestions were pretty much the
> same:disable/blacklist ipv6, which I have. What do you think the answer
> would have been if I had asked the same question again? Probably
> something along the lines of "This question has already been answered a
> million times, why don't you search...etc." or "Disable ipv6". I asked
[more flamage]
jumping in here because this caught my eye. There was a thread here
just a couple weeks ago -- someone was having similar trouble with
ipv6 and konquerer (I think). I'm not going to dig into the archives,
but it might be a lead for you. good luck.
A