血腥的死伤者照片！你们不是要证据么？？ [新疆][民族冲突]
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Michael Pan wrote:
证据？照片？如果是这样，中共还有不大肆宣传之理？轮得到你来散布谣言？
2009/7/7 Anhunqu
转一篇网友发言，注意“街上的游行的人都是烟雾弹。真正的屠杀是小区活动，在很早就开始了。维族小组把汉人拉到背巷里杀害”这 种说法。安刚给乌市的朋友打电话，以下是他说的：
1． 汉人总体比较平静，该干啥干啥，习惯了。
2． 网全断了。手机刚刚恢复。
3． 乌市维族人聚居区（南门以南）已近封锁了，出不去进不来。
4． 死的人比报道的多。他有一个同事被困在二道桥的家里，说他看到在他家附近的死人就有30多个。
5． 这次的事明显是组织好的。维族人十几人为一组行动。街上的游行的人都是烟雾弹。真正的屠杀是小区活动，在很早就开始了。维族小组把汉人拉到背巷里杀害。
6． 维族人冲进居民小区入户杀人。
7． 我朋友的同时看到墙根下排成一排死了10几个小孩，都是被拿刀处决的,砍的脖子。
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我好奇的是，为何疆独缺乏法理根据？究竟独立需要怎样的法理依据呢？:)
Anhunqu wrote:
我觉得疆独有些类似斯里兰卡的泰米尔人-----他们想争取独立本身未必不值得人同情（虽然同 样都缺乏法理根据），但却选择了一条野蛮的恐怖仇杀道路，而且只顾自己丝毫不懂得反省（泰米尔猛虎被歼灭前夕，加拿大泰米尔人居然用堵塞高速公路交通来逼 这个曾友善收留了他们的国家向斯里兰卡施压，而且用婴儿车阻挡警察，结果加拿大网站上一边倒起骂泰米尔人），最终奋斗数十年到头来一场空，也算是报应不 爽。斯里兰卡人其实是回教徒，长期以来面对好勇斗狠的泰米尔人也是毫无办法。。。不过人家最后还是 忍无可忍大举反击，最终彻底摧毁了泰米尔恐怖组织。维族人不要以为汉人不团结、惯忍让、好欺负，真把汉人逼急眼了，最后吃亏的还是自己。安
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都不敢惹。何止是新疆人他们不敢惹（这不代表中共不敢惹新疆人，更不代表中共对新疆人没做过血腥屠杀的事情），就连城管撒野，他们也不敢惹，都躲得远远 的。
这难道是新闻吗？难道那些城管在撒野的时候，他们也是新疆人，穆斯林，恐怖分子吗？
中共国人表面上的所谓怕新疆人，其实是怕中共。我解释过，中共为了在新疆维持高压统治，必须有配套的收买“怀柔”笼络政策，以维制维。谁破坏这个政策的有 效实施，谁就是中共的敌人。对维族在内地“不敢惹”，其实就是如百官怕太监，不是因为真的太监很厉害，实际上是怕皇上问罪。
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你刚代表“中国汉人”说完话，立刻又代表藏人，蒙古人说话，分身有术啊。:)
“三区革命”，恰恰就是共产党人策划的，所以中共吹捧之。中共杀起汉人来，更是场面宏大，还吹成丰功伟绩。
中共对汉族倒行逆施，汉族人为何不恨中共呢？就因为有你这种走狗奴才为之吹鼓啊。
既然汉族人都不恨中共，那么维族人受了中共的欺负，自然认为汉人和中共是一伙的，脑子一糊涂，就会把汉人当中共来恨。更何况，有你这种民族主义洗脑帮凶 在，这就是那么多汉人对维族等少数民族的仇恨水涨船高的一个重要原因。
Anhunqu wrote:
你说“维族人对汉人的仇恨完全是共军屠杀所造成”，真的 是这样的么？请问早在中共入疆之前，所谓“三区革命”就大肆屠杀汉人（再早则是清末回乱，整县整县的汉人被杀绝）这又是为了什么？何况即使真的如此，难道就构成如今“新 疆人在内地小偷小摸，胡作非为，派出所一般也不敢管——怕激起民变，结果少数坏人就无法无天了！”的道义理由了么？中共对汉族倒行逆施更甚、屠杀汉人更 多，为什么维族人不肯视汉人为同志反而要在汉人内地胡作非为呢？藏人、蒙古人所受的苦难不比维人更少，可人家为什么就不仇恨汉人呢？关键问题，还是要从维族人自身去找。安
各位朋友：
作为新疆建设兵团职工的子弟，我在新疆石河子北边90多公里的一个兵团农场生活了16年，对新疆问题还是可以说几句的——我们生活的地方，在50年代完全 是荒凉的戈壁滩，兵团职工战天斗地挖干渠、植防风林；让沙漠变为了绿洲，是重要的葡萄、番茄酱、粮食和棉花产地，这样的兵团农场遍及新疆天山南北，对新疆 稳定和发展起了至关重要的作用！
新疆的稳定，对中国十分重要；但由于60年前共军入疆时曾经在大开杀戒，南疆有的地方就是整个村子的屠杀！新疆流传一句话：小孩哭，大人一说“王胡子”来 了，小孩就不哭了。此可见微知著！维族人对汉人的仇恨 完全是共军屠杀所造成！由此带来的问题让每一个汉人都没有安全感，新疆的汉人都千方百计地回内地，很多兵团职工有办法的都回内地了（我们家 于1985年一月份举家调回了老家）；新疆读书的同学考上大学的毕业后只要能够分配在内地的都没有再回新疆——其实新疆的环境还是不错的，但就是留不住 人！
北京政府一味地迁就维族等少数民族，新疆人在内地小偷小摸，胡作非 为，派出所一般也不敢管——怕激起民变，结果少数坏人就无法无天了！对比一下藏民，大家有听说他们在内地胡作非为吗？？？
新疆问题的关键并不是民族矛盾问题，而是中共倒行逆施，搞得国家象地域一样——妖魔鬼怪横行霸道，这样的国家只能是离心离德的国家，民族问题只能愈演愈 烈，走向分裂不可避免！
2009/7/7 Anhunqu
大家看看下面这条新闻，为了激起各民族的反共情绪，是否也需要和韶关械斗案一样大肆渲染这 是一起苗汉之间的“种族冲突”呢？安明报／贵州继上月底发生百馀村民围堵黄果树风景名胜区事件后，前天在贵定县再发生群众抗议事件。当地一条高速公路项目因取土问题，引发 数百名村民不满，双方发生衝突，造成11人受伤。直至昨日上午，事态基本平息，当地政府正在进一步调查事件。(chinesenewsnet.com)
据新华社报道，涉事的工程是贵州省夏蓉高速公路第6标段，工程公司项目部因为取土填地基，引发布依族苗族自治州贵定县昌明镇秀河村村民不满。5日下午，村 民与施工人员争执并出现衝突，双方各有200多人，造成11人受伤，部分财物受损。伤者被送往医院救治。事件发生后，贵定县委书记及县长立即赶往现场处 置，并成立了处置该次「群体性事件指挥部」，至当晚12时左右，现场群众已疏散。(chinesenewsnet.com)
有贵州网民称，当时两班人马数百人在昌明镇华东路桥对峙：「个个手持铜棍，场面好吓人，公安迟迟不到现场控制场面，只有派出所的几个警察。我看了一会就赶 快跑了。」
wanghx
2009年07月10日 格林尼治标准时间19:17北京时间 03:17发表
乌鲁木齐骚乱死亡人数升至184
维吾尔族男子在乌鲁木齐祈祷
乌鲁木齐发生的民族骚乱导致184人死亡，当局下令取消周五（7月10日）清真寺祈祷活动，但是今天人们仍然聚集在清真寺周围。人群很快被警察驱散。
新疆维吾尔族穆斯林举行抗议引发骚乱后不到一周时间里，新建采取了大规模保安行动。
美国国家安全事务顾问在意大利举行八国峰会期间在同中国外交官交流的时候透露，美国总统奥巴马希望中国能够采取适当的克制。
上周中国官方首次公布了骚乱死亡数字的民族比例。官方新华社报道，137名死者是汉族，其中包括111名男子和26名妇女。
其余45人为穆斯林，还有一名回族。新华社的消息来源是新疆政府的新闻部门。报道说，死亡人数由156上升到了184。
周五早些时候，约100名男子同把守清真寺的警察争执，要求进入维吾尔族聚居区的白色清真寺祈祷。周日骚乱中该清真寺附近发生过严重暴力事件。
一名把守清真寺的维吾尔族警察说，他们决定开放清真寺，因为聚集在那里的人太多，他们不愿意在发生群体事件。
在附近的解放路，约40名维吾尔族男女开始进行游行，振臂高呼口号和叫喊。一名维吾尔族妇女请求外国记者不要离开他们。
她用英语说，所有的维吾尔族人都感到恐惧，他们害怕警察。
几分钟后约10名传防弹背心，戴头盔，手持警棍和电枪的防暴警察拦住游行者的去路。
防暴警察将记者从该地区带走，并且拘留了至少4名外国记者，他们被扣押了几个小时。
一名维吾尔族汽车销售人员说，他看到清真寺关门感到很伤心。但是新华社报道引用当地政府宗教官员的话说，在动荡的时候关闭清真寺是很正常的做法。
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6684928.ece
>From The Times
July 11, 2009
Han Chinese emerge as the main victims as Urumqi riots death toll rises
Jane Macartney in Urumqi
China yesterday revealed the ethnicity of those killed in rioting in the
western city of Urumqi last week, and increased the official number of
dead to 183.
State media said that 137 Han Chinese and 46 minority Uighurs were
killed when an Uighur mob took to the streets on Sunday, burning cars
and buses, smashing shops and provoking tit-for-tat reprisals in what
the Government says was the worst ethnic violence in decades.
President Hu Jintao was forced to return from the G8 meeting in Italy,
where Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, described the
crisis as “a kind of genocide”.
Security forces have restored a semblance of calm to Urumqi, the capital
of Xinjiang province, but tensions remained high yesterday as the
authorities locked mosques and tried to cancel Friday prayers to stop
violence flaring up again.
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At the front gate of the White Mosque, not far from where the riots
erupted, a group of around 100 Muslim men gathered in white skullcaps to
prepare for the most important prayers of the week. They demanded to
enter until the gates were finally opened. The policeman at the gate
told The Times: “We decided to let them in because they were too many.
There could have been trouble.”
Word spread and hundreds more converged on the site. The mosque
authorities had no choice but to allow an abbreviated service. “They had
to let us in,” one man said. “It is Friday. That is what our faith
demands. But we are peaceful people, we are good people.”
Many Uighurs complained that relatives who had nothing to do with the
violence on Sunday had been arrested in police sweeps of the city that
have so far taken in more than 2,000 suspects. Others said that those
who took to the streets were only taking revenge for mistreatment of
Uighurs in other parts of China.
The spark that set off the tinderbox that is the relationship between
Han Chinese and ethnic Uighur Muslims came from 2,000 miles away.
Rumours of the rape of two Han Chinese employees by Uighur workers at
Xuri Toy Factory in Guangdong province led to retribution attacks in
which two Uighur men were killed and dozens were injured.
Word of the Han assault reached Uighurs in their Xinjiang homeland, and
rumours spread that hundreds of their kind had died and Uighur children
had been chopped up.
Anything seemed credible. Resentment between Han and Uighurs has bubbled
in the Xinjiang region of western China for decades. One shopkeeper
said: “They mistreated our women over there. We have to protect ourselves.”
Urumqi has long appeared to be among the most peaceful cities in the
region, with its booming economy raising the living standards of both
Han and Uighur residents.
Uighurs here show little interest in extremist calls for independence
and increasing numbers work for the Government and state-owned
companies. Many, however, are unhappy at the influx of Han Chinese
chasing job opportunities offered by the development of regional oil and
gas fields.
One Han Chinese said: “My Uighur friends joke with me saying, ‘You Han
have come from so far away, so very far away, and now you are taking our
natural resources’.”
Nicholas Becquelin, of Human Rights Watch, said that the riots appeared
to pit the poorest of the Uighur poor against similarly poor Han
incomers from other provinces who are directly competing to eke out a
living. Relations between the better-off were less strained.
In a hillside slum on the edge of Urumqi where raw sewage runs down
alleys between mud-brick shacks, a group of Uighurs said that none of
them could find jobs, apart from occasional day labour. Maimat Ali said:
“We are very sad about the innocent Han, but we are frightened too. We
dare not go down into the town. And here we have no work.”
Some Uighurs are also furious at the razing of swaths of their ancient
neighbourhoods in the Silk Road city of Kashgar. Nervous that tension
could spread there, foreign journalists were ordered to leave yesterday
“for their own safety”.
Others resent the limits placed on religious practices. Anyone wanting
to go on the haj, or pilgrimage to Mecca, must join a group; imams are
discouraged from attending weddings; anyone under 18 is not allowed to
attend mosque.
Mr Becquelin said: “The tragedy is that most people who died were killed
as a result of accumulated resentment of state policies. The rift
between the two groups is huge, but the Government has the tools to heal
this.”
While I must agree that this is a more balanced reporting than some
other Western media, don't repeat purportedly "Han Chinese saying Uyghur
friend complain Han stealing 'their' resources"! You are pouring
gasoline on fire. What only proved is that Uyghur friend has no
intention to integrate!
Danny, Canada,
"State media said"
Trudy, Milan , Italy
Thank you Jane for your professionism in covering what is really
happening in Urumqi. So many reporters go there with their pre-conceived
ideology that blinds them from uncovering and telling the truth. You
have my deepest respect and helped to repair my completely-shatterd
faith in western media
Dan , San Diego, USA
The times has covered this issue very well. Well done.
Andy, London, UK