New lift project

[Roch Delsalle]

Hi !,

We have just moved a website to Lift / MongoDB :

http://www.fashionbase.com

It was previously hosted on Google App Engine using the Play! Framework.

Just to compare : for the exact same website, Lift does it with 6K lines of code and Play! does it with 24K.

Best,

Roch

[Everson Alves da Silva]

Cool. I assume the new Lift website is not running on App Engine because of MongoDb. Have you tried running with Lift and App engine?

[Roch Delsalle]

No, I haven't tried yet, the reason why I picked lift was because I was looking for a nice way out of App Engine.

Apparently some people have managed to do it (with some limitations) :

http://lift-example.appspot.com

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[Diego Medina]

Awesome! congrats on the migration to Lift.

Diego

>
> Best,
>
> Roch
>
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[Diego Medina]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Everson Alves da Silva
<khro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cool. I assume the new Lift website is not running on App Engine because of
> MongoDb. Have you tried running with Lift and App engine?

Some of the things that don't work on app engine are cometactors and
LiftActors, because app engine does not let you start new threads.

Diego

>
>
> On Friday, July 13, 2012 7:35:07 AM UTC-3, Roch Delsalle wrote:
>>
>> Hi !,
>>
>> We have just moved a website to Lift / MongoDB :
>>
>> http://www.fashionbase.com
>>
>> It was previously hosted on Google App Engine using the Play! Framework.
>> Just to compare : for the exact same website, Lift does it with 6K lines
>> of code and Play! does it with 24K.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Roch
>

[Chenguang He]

Very Cool Website!

Chenguang He

[Alexej Bondarenko]

Hi Roch,

which version of the Play! Framework have you used before?

Thanks,

Alexej

[Roch Delsalle]

Hi Alexej,

I was using Play! 1.2.3.

Roch

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[Naftoli Gugenheim]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Roch Delsalle <rdel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi !,

We have just moved a website to Lift / MongoDB :

http://www.fashionbase.com

It was previously hosted on Google App Engine using the Play! Framework.

Where is it hosted now? There are free PaaS's that give you a full environment (threading, etc.), like CloudBees. (To some extent it may be thanks to AppEngine that there are so many --- it seems to have sparked some healthy competition.)

Just to compare : for the exact same website, Lift does it with 6K lines of code and Play! does it with 24K.

Curious, what are the main "line savers" in Lift as opposed to Play?

 

Best,

Roch

[Roch Delsalle]

Hi ! 

Where is it hosted now? There are free PaaS's that give you a full environment (threading, etc.), like CloudBees. (To some extent it may be thanks to AppEngine that there are so many --- it seems to have sparked some healthy competition.)

It's hosted on cloudbees with a MongoHQ Addon (the pictures are hosted on GridFS : more than a gigabyte of data for now). 

Cloudbees is great however the pricing isn't very progressive for Lift users, If I understood well as soon as we want to scale to more than one instance we need to pay for the 100$ monthly plan.

Curious, what are the main "line savers" in Lift as opposed to Play?

- Scala it's a lot better than Java for complex things 

for instance this is a lot quicker than what I could do in Java : items(_.itemb.value).mapValues(_.size).toList sortWith {_._2 > _._2}

- MongoDB + Rogue allows me to do quite a lot, which mean less code or almost no code to process my resultsets.

[Richard Dallaway]

On 14 Jul 2012, at 12:19, Roch Delsalle <rdel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cloudbees is great however the pricing isn't very progressive for Lift users, If I understood well as soon as we want to scale to more than one instance we need to pay for the 100$ monthly plan.

A multi-instance Lift app we have on CloudBees cost us something like US$55 last month. But it'll depend on the size of the instances. Get in touch with them if you have questions about costs.

Richard

[Roch Delsalle]

Yes but the sticky session feature required by Lift is only available with the 100$ plan ?

[Richard Dallaway]

We use that too, and SSL. Maybe they've changed their plans, but that's not the costs we see.

[Roch Delsalle]

Cool maybe I was looking at the wrong pricing (jenkins).

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[Olek Swirski]

Why not use vps? I mean so far I was using VPS at bettervps.net, Is
there some inherent drawback to it compared to service like cloudbees ?

[Diego Medina]

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Olek Swirski <oleks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not use vps? I mean so far I was using VPS at bettervps.net, Is there
> some inherent drawback to it compared to service like cloudbees ?
>

I think the reason people go with cloudbees, etc is that they don't
have to manage the server itself, but if you are confortable with
maintenance, there is no drawback on using a vps.

Regards,

Diego

>
> On 14/07/12 22:24, Roch Delsalle wrote:
>>
>> Cool maybe I was looking at the wrong pricing (jenkins).
>>
>

> --
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> Code: http://github.com/lift
> Discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb
> Stuck? Help us help you:
> https://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/liftweb/Posting_example_code



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[Olek Swirski]

Diego, thx for clarifying this. I haven't used cloudbees so far,
so I wasn't sure. setting up vps is a bit tedious though, but then
comes the freedom to do and install whatever I want. for now
I will stay with my vps then.

[Naftoli Gugenheim]

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Roch Delsalle <rdel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi ! 

Where is it hosted now? There are free PaaS's that give you a full environment (threading, etc.), like CloudBees. (To some extent it may be thanks to AppEngine that there are so many --- it seems to have sparked some healthy competition.)

It's hosted on cloudbees with a MongoHQ Addon (the pictures are hosted on GridFS : more than a gigabyte of data for now). 

Cloudbees is great however the pricing isn't very progressive for Lift users, If I understood well as soon as we want to scale to more than one instance we need to pay for the 100$ monthly plan.

Curious, what are the main "line savers" in Lift as opposed to Play?

- Scala it's a lot better than Java for complex things 

for instance this is a lot quicker than what I could do in Java : items(_.itemb.value).mapValues(_.size).toList sortWith {_._2 > _._2}

Ah, so you didn't bother with Play and Scala? I mistook it for a comparison of Play 2 and Lift. :)

[Roch Delsalle]

Because I had to re-code everything so I decided to try something else. (I also believe css transforms are just the way to go to split front-end dev's work and back-end dev).

For me the only downside of lift so far is the i18n thing, but I'm using the native2ascii deps to sort that out.

[David Pollak]

Very cool site!

RE: i18n... are you using the XML stuff with doesn't require the native2ascii stuff?

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[Diego Medina]

see
http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/liftweb/Localization
for what David was talking about.

Regards,

Diego

[Roch Delsalle]

Thank you, I'm going to switch to XML then