Scrophularia elatior from Narkanda, Himachal

[Tabish]

Scrophularia elatior from Narkanda, Himachal Pradesh. July end.

Notice the stout, prominently 4-winged stem.

 Tabish

[Tabish]

Missed adding this image.

  Tabish

[Rabeya Shiek]

Yes it is S.elatior the drooping flower prominent bracteoles confirm it

[J.M. Garg]

To me appears similar to images at Scrophularia himalensis

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,

Any further views ?

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[Tabish]

I think the stem being 4-winged is a clear indicator of it being Scrophularia elatior. As far as I know, Scrophularia himalensis doesn't have a 4-winged stem.

  Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

Scrophularia elatior Wall. ex Benth. from IBIS Flora:

Benth. Scroph. Ind. 18, and in DC. Prodr. x. 304 ; tall, glabrous or glandular above, stem 4-winged, leaves petioled ovate or lanceolate coarsely toothed, cymes spreading peduncled many-fld. in long panicles, peduncles and pedicels spreading, sepals ovate subacute, stamens far exserted. Wall Cat 3928.

CENTRAL AND EASTERN HIMALAYA ; Nepal, Wallich ; Sikkim, alt. 6-10,000 ft., J. D. H., &c. KHASIA MTS., alt. 4-5000 ft., common.

Tall, very stout, 3-5 ft. high, branched, stem below as thick as the middle finger, wings slender. Leaves 5-10 by 1-5 in., rarely subcordate, primary and secondary nerves distinct ; petiole stout, 1-3.1/2 in. Panicle sometimes much branched from the base, bracts linear ; peduncles 1-2 in. ; branches and pedicles spreading. Sepals not margined, not half the length of the globose-ovoid beaked capsule. Stamens twice as long as the corolla ; staminode spathulate or 0. Seeds as in S. urticifolia.

Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. from IBIS Flora:

Royle in Benth. Scroph. Ind. 18, and DC. Prodr. x. 304 ; glandular-pubescent above, stem obtusely angled, leaves ovate-cordate or lanceolate crenate, petiole long naked, cymes many- and lax-fld. spreading opposite and alternate in a long rather slender panicle, peduncles and pedicels long slender, sepals rounded obscurely margined or not, corolla very short, stamens far exserted.

WESTERN HIMALAYA, from Kunawur to Kumaon, alt. 5-8000 ft., common.

Very near to S. polyantha, but the petioles are longer and not appendaged, and the flowers twice as large ; the seeds are similar.

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[J.M. Garg]

Going by this, I agree with Tabish ji's id.

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,

I earlier missed seeing this image.

From it, it is clear that the main stem is obtusely angled only.

Only upper side inflorescence becomes acutely angled.

Your post matches with other posts at Scrophularia himalensis

On further checking with other posts at Scrophularia himalensis, I feel the correct id of your plant is Scrophularia himalensis only.

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[Tabish]

Garg ji, this image (Scrophularia elatior4.jpg) is a long shot. In the close up shown in  Scrophularia elatior3.jpg the wings on the stem are so prominent.

I am also attaching the closest image of the sepals I could find.

   Tabish

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[Tabish]

One more image showing the sepals.

   Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,

Leaves in your plant are clearly cordate and sepals are obscurely margined and the main stem is obtusely angled. So it is clearly Scrophularia himalensis as other images herein.

Also distribution clearly supports this.

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[Tabish]

Garg ji,

   That is not convincing enough. Leaves only look slightly cordate, which agrees with the description. Also the stem, as well as leaf-stalks are winged.  In addition, it was a sturdier plant, something that is not straightforward to see from the pictures.

Regarding the distribution I agree, it probably is not reported from here, but one never knows. Afterall Scrophularia himalensis was not known from Bhutan earlier. I still feel it is a plant different from what I have seen in Dhanaulti (which I think is S. himalensis).

    Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,

It is up to you. But I do not agree with you on this.

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[Tabish]

Yes, we agree to disagree on this. 

[J.M. Garg]

I further examined two specimens each from both the species in GBIF from India and Nepal. Pl. see

Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. :

Specimen 1

Specimen 2

Scrophularia elatior Benth. :

Specimen 1

Specimen 2

I still believe in id as Scrophularia himalensis

[Tabish]

I am attaching cropped parts of two images of S. himalensis and S. elatior from the links you sent. You can see the winged stem in S. elatior.

   Tabish

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