Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum ABJUN01/14

[Ashwini Bhatia]

And this one is closer home. I photographed it yesterday on my phone. Please correct me if I am wrong in identifying it.

Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum, Curved-hood Cobra Lily

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m

27 June 2015.

Thanks.

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

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[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"It should also  be Arseama tortuosum

Krishan lal"

Thanks, Kishan Lal ji.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you once again Dr Garg and Krishan Lal ji. I am not sure if Krishan Lal ji agreed with the var. curvatum bit. The stalk of this sample is not dotted with black spots but is plain light green.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 05-Jul-2015, at 10:11 pm, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

A reply:

"It should also  be Arseama tortuosum

Krishan lal"

Thanks, Kishan Lal ji.

On 5 July 2015 at 20:27, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

And this one is closer home. I photographed it yesterday on my phone. Please correct me if I am wrong in identifying it.

Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum, Curved-hood Cobra Lily

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m

27 June 2015.

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I think this is the same species. The fruit is here so I thought it good to confirm if it is indeed Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum. It’s fairly clear that it’s A. tortuosum (as confirmed by Krishan Lal ji) but is it the var. curvatum?

Thanks.

Ashwini

On 05-Jul-2015, at 10:11 pm, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

A reply:

"It should also  be Arseama tortuosum

Krishan lal"

Thanks, Kishan Lal ji.

On 5 July 2015 at 20:27, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Some earlier relevant feedback:

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From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
Date: 28 June 2015 at 13:10
Subject: [efloraofindia:226547] Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum ABJUN01/14
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

And this one is closer home. I photographed it yesterday on my phone. Please correct me if I am wrong in identifying it.

Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum, Curved-hood Cobra Lily

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m

27 June 2015.

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[Pascal Bruggeman]

The narrow leaflets confirm it is the form previously named as (var.) curvatum but that form is no longer given a separate taxonomic status and is one of the many synonyms of the polymorphic Arisaema tortuosum. As a result his plant is just Arisaema tortuosum.  For similar reasons (var.) helleborifolium is also just tortuosum. In the current treatment tortuosum has no varieties, forma's or subspecies, it is just very variable due to its wide distribution range.

Regards,

Pascal

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Pascal for taking the time to explain it. We have both varieties growing together here and the leaf shape, stalk colour and the fruit (growing on a stem and of a different colour) are all different. But now that you explain its polymorphism, it makes sense.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 20-Aug-2015, at 6:40 pm, Pascal Bruggeman <cory...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The narrow leaflets confirm it is the form previously named as (var.) curvatum but that form is no longer given a separate taxonomic status and is one of the many synonyms of the polymorphic Arisaema tortuosum. As a result his plant is just Arisaema tortuosum.  For similar reasons (var.) helleborifolium is also just tortuosum. In the current treatment tortuosum has no varieties, forma's or subspecies, it is just very variable due to its wide distribution range.

Regards,

Pascal

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I think this is the same species. The fruit is here so I thought it good to confirm if it is indeed Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum. It’s fairly clear that it’s A. tortuosum (as confirmed by Krishan Lal ji) but is it the var. curvatum?

Thanks.

Ashwini

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