Sauromatum venosum? ABMAY01/10

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I found a lone specimen of this today. I looked around to see if there was another but didn’t find any more. I think this is Sauromatum venosum. Please advise.

Sauromatum venosum

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1750m approx.

6 May 2015

Thanks.

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

efi page on Sauromatum venosum

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Yes it is. May be now in Typhonium genus. Regards

[Ushadi Micromini]

leaves emerge a bit later may be we can see them?

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[Anil Thakur]

Yes, I think, Sauromatum venosum.

On 5/11/15, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
>
> Some earlier relevant feedback:
>
> efi page on Sauromatum venosum

> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araceae/sauromatum/sauromatum-venosum>

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> From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
> Date: 6 May 2015 at 21:03
> Subject: [efloraofindia:222984] Sauromatum venosum? ABMAY01/10
> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>
>
> I found a lone specimen of this today. I looked around to see if there was

> another but didn't find any more. I think this is *Sauromatum venosum*.
> Please advise.
>
> *Sauromatum venosum*

> Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
> 1750m approx.
> 6 May 2015
>
> Thanks.
> Ashwini
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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Anil ji and Shrikant ji. Ushadi, I will take a look soon to see if we have the leaves.

Regards,

Ashwini

[Anil Thakur]

It remains leafless during the flowering phase and will develop leaves in the end of June.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you once again.

Regards,
Ashwini

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I noticed the fresh leaves yesterday but since I haven’t been checking everyday these could have been out for some days.

Thanks.

Ashwini

[Ushadi Micromini]

nice

lets see what ANil thinks

for my part i like to see the spiralling leaves  emerging on one stem?

pictures from kew are informative, current growing not old literature.

 http://www.kew.org/science-conservation/plants-fungi/sauromatum-venosum-voodoo-lily

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[Ushadi Micromini]

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From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:222984] Sauromatum venosum? ABMAY01/10
To: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>

Respected Ushadi,
I still think the same. Let the leaves expand fully and become pedate. I can also post the photographs of leaves.

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Dear Ushadi,

Here is one from yesterday.

Thanks.

Ashwini

On 17-Jun-2015, at 4:58 pm, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

nice

lets see what ANil thinks

for my part i like to see the spiralling leaves  emerging on one stem?

pictures from kew are informative, current growing not old literature.

 http://www.kew.org/science-conservation/plants-fungi/sauromatum-venosum-voodoo-lily

usha di

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I noticed the fresh leaves yesterday but since I haven’t been checking everyday these could have been out for some days.

Thanks.

Ashwini

<_MG_0322_16June15.jpg>

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini

Wonderful

you got it

just by looks... it matches the pattern of the umbrella like curvy "stem"

on which the serrated leaflets are growing, and the veins are  too.

Dave's garden site shows leaves upfront as soon as the link opens up.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2055/

the kew url above : one has to open the button for more info to see the leaves.

the dx is correct then

wonder what would Anil's opinion be now, ANIL

let us know please.

did frutis ever develop

I dont know the natural history of this plant

May be Anil can tell us?

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[Anil Thakur]

Respected Usha Di,

I still remain with my first opinion:- Sauromatum venosum only.
Baba Ram Dev Ji call it Telia Kand and working on its anti-cancerous
properties.
Ashwini ji can search for its fruits which remain at the ground level
and may be half inside.

With best of regards,

On 6/28/15, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ashwini
> Wonderful
>
> you got it
>
> just by looks... it matches the pattern of the umbrella like curvy "stem"
> on which the serrated leaflets are growing, and the veins are too.
>
> Dave's garden site shows leaves upfront as soon as the link opens up.
> http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2055/
>
> the kew url above : one has to open the button for more info to see the
> leaves.
>
>
> the dx is correct then
> wonder what would

> *Anil's opinion be now, ANIL*
> *let us know please.*

>
> did frutis ever develop
>
> I dont know the natural history of this plant
> May be Anil can tell us?
>
> usha di
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
> wrote:
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>> Dear Ushadi,
>> Here is one from yesterday.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ashwini
>>
>>

[Ushadi Micromini]

Thanks ANil

knowing Ashwini I am sure we will get to see the fruits as well

will that be now? that the leaves have emerged?

usha di

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Dear Thakur ji,
I will go and look if I can find the fruits. Do I need to dig a little to find them?

Thanks and regards,
Ashwini

[Anil Thakur]

Ashwini ji
You can find them at ground level.

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

It is wonderful.  Baba Ramdevji is now working on anti-cancer drug!

[Neil Soares]

Hi,

  Fruiting generally occurs around September. Sending a few photographs,

               With regards,

                 Neil Soares.

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:226576] Sauromatum venosum? ABMAY01/10

[Ushadi Micromini]

Thank you, Neil

Nice to see the fruits.

So in the monsoon may be its green and then turns brown//ripens in the fall?

usha di

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Neil for sharing the photos and giving their timing. I would love to see them in September.

Warm regards,

Ashwini

<Sauromatum venosum fruiting 1.jpg><Sauromatum venosum fruiting 2.jpg><Sauromatum venosum fruiting 3.jpg>

[Neil Soares]

Negative. Have observed only this colour, but according to Dr. Almeida the berries could also be red.

                    With regards,

                       Neil Soares,

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:226602] Sauromatum venosum? ABMAY01/10

[Anil Thakur]

I have seen fruits of this colour only.

Regards,

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I found fruit on at least one plant (I have been looking) this morning and photographed it. Hopefully in the coming days I will see more fruiting.

Regards,

Ashwini

[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini

nice to see the young fruits (green)

thanks for the follow up

lets see what they turn to  --- color-wise

esp since Neil said Dr Almeida mentions  color red for the berries.

and if there are many, may be you can dig one.. to look at the rhizome.

usha di

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Ushadi. There are many here but I have found only one fruiting yet. But I will see if others are fruiting soon too and collect a sample for a closer look.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 18-Aug-2015, at 8:15 am, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ashwini

nice to see the young fruits (green)

thanks for the follow up

lets see what they turn to  --- color-wise

esp since Neil said Dr Almeida mentions  color red for the berries.

and if there are many, may be you can dig one.. to look at the rhizome.

usha di

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I found fruit on at least one plant (I have been looking) this morning and photographed it. Hopefully in the coming days I will see more fruiting.

Regards,

Ashwini

<_MG_0300_17August15.jpg><_MG_0307_17August15.jpg><_MG_0315_17August15.jpg>

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I know now what eats these fruits–the slugs.

On 18-Aug-2015, at 8:15 am, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ashwini

nice to see the young fruits (green)

thanks for the follow up

lets see what they turn to  --- color-wise

esp since Neil said Dr Almeida mentions  color red for the berries.

and if there are many, may be you can dig one.. to look at the rhizome.

usha di

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I found fruit on at least one plant (I have been looking) this morning and photographed it. Hopefully in the coming days I will see more fruiting.

Regards,

Ashwini

<_MG_0300_17August15.jpg><_MG_0307_17August15.jpg><_MG_0315_17August15.jpg>

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I was glad to find two flowers of S. venosum growing side by side. I peeled the spathe to reveal the male and female flowers (since the plant is quite common in our area, I took the liberty!). Here are the results.

Sauromatum venosum

Above Dal Lake, Dharamshala, HP

1850m approx.

29 April 2017

Thanks.

Ashwini

<_MG_0300_17August15.jpg><_MG_0307_17August15.jpg><_MG_0315_17August15.jpg>

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Thank you, Neil

Nice to see the fruits.

So in the monsoon may be its green and then turns brown//ripens in the fall?

usha di

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi,

  Fruiting generally occurs around September. Sending a few photographs,

               With regards,

                 Neil Soares.

From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
To: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>

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[Anil Thakur]

Beautiful clicks, Ashwini ji

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Thank you, Neil

Nice to see the fruits.

So in the monsoon may be its green and then turns brown//ripens in the fall?

usha di

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi,

  Fruiting generally occurs around September. Sending a few photographs,

               With regards,

                 Neil Soares.

From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
To: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>

Cc: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>; J. M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Shrikant Ingalhalikar <shrikant.ingalhalikar@gmail.com>

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[J.M. Garg]

Wonderful images, Ashwini ji

<_MG_0300_17August15.jpg><_MG_0307_17August15.jpg><_MG_0315_17August15.jpg>

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Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:226602] Sauromatum venosum? ABMAY01/10

Thank you, Neil

Nice to see the fruits.

So in the monsoon may be its green and then turns brown//ripens in the fall?

usha di

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi,

  Fruiting generally occurs around September. Sending a few photographs,

               With regards,

                 Neil Soares.

From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
To: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>

Cc: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>; J. M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>; Shrikant Ingalhalikar <shrikant.ingalhalikar@gmail.com>

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