Climber from Ooty for id 070311MK1

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear aall,

Please help to id this climber found on roadside fences at Ooty town, Nilgiris.

Date/Time-	06-12-2011 / 04:45 PM
Location- Place, Altitude, GP	ca.2100asl; Ooty, TN
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-	roadside fence
Plant Habit-	climber herb
Height/Length-	2 -3 m long
Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-	ca.10 x 8 cm; lobed
Inflorescence Type/ Size-	axillary raceme
Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-	creamy; c. 0.6 cm across
Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-	c. 08 cm across
Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.-

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[Dinesh Valke]

... reminds me of Zehneria.
Regards.
Dinesh

[tanay bose]

Zehneria scabra??

Tanay

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID confirmation

Earlier feedback

Dinesh ji...................................... reminds me of Zehneria.

Tanay............................................Zehneria scabra??

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[Muthu Karthick]

Attaching pics of mature fruits here in the same place at Ooty. What is this Zehrina sp.?

Date: 18 April 2011

[Muthu Karthick]

Forwarded conversation
Subject: Climber from Ooty for id 070311MK1
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From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:17 PM
To: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Cc: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

... reminds me of Zehneria.
Regards.
Dinesh

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From: tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM
To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
Cc: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>, indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>


Zehneria scabra??

Tanay

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Tanay Bose

Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant.
Department of Botany.
University of British Columbia .
3529-6270 University Blvd.
Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada)
Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile)

           604-822-2019 (Lab)

           604-822-6089  (Fax)

ta...@interchange.ubc.ca

Webpages: 

http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html

http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html

https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/

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From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:04 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>, TANAY BOSE <tanay...@gmail.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, Shrikant Ingalhalikar <le...@rediffmail.com>

Resurfacing again for ID confirmation

Earlier feedback

Dinesh ji...................................... reminds me of Zehneria.

Tanay............................................Zehneria scabra??

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM
To: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, TANAY BOSE <tanay...@gmail.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, Shrikant Ingalhalikar <le...@rediffmail.com>

Attaching pics of mature fruits here in the same place at Ooty. What is this Zehrina sp.?

Date: 18 April 2011

[Dinesh Valke]

Muthu ji ... your query: What is this Zehrina sp.? ... small typo: it must be Zehneria
Some information about Zehneria ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zehneria

Views of Zehneria scabra in my photostream
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Zehneriascabra&w=91314344%40N00&s=rec


Regards.
Dinesh

[Muthu Karthick]

Many thanks Dineshji,

This climber is Zehneria scabra (L.f.) Sond. of Cucurbitaceae.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

Muthu ji ... your query: What is this Zehrina sp.? ... small typo: it must be Zehneria Some information about Zehneria ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zehneria Views of Zehneria scabra in my photostream http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Zehneriascabra&w=91314344%40N00&s=rec Regards. Dinesh

Many thanks Dineshji, This climber is Zehneria scabra (L.f.) Sond. of Cucurbitaceae.- from Muthu ji.
Feedback from another thread: I have been somewhat confused about the status of Zehneria scabra, uploaded by several members including Dinesh ji, Prashant ji, and other members from Kas https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ These confusions are often confounded by the absence of author citations. Strange as it may look Zehneria scabra (L.f.) Sond (Swedeish name flikig pilreva), and Melothria scabra Naudin (Swedish name djungelgurka), are two distinct species, often confused on net, as Melothria is an important species with good looking mini watermelon like fruits, and none look similar to our Kas plants. and as such names Cape zehneria, South African Zehneria won't apply to our Kas plant. My doubts are supported by recent nomenclature update by Renner and Pandey in 2013   They do not list Zehneria scabra for India, and Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. is cited as synonym of Zehneria perpusilla (Bl.) Bole and Almeida.......but as per citation this species does not grown in India.   The other name often cited as synonym of Melothria perpusilla is correctly Zehneria hookeriana (Wight & Arn) Arn, is endemic to Tamil Nadu   This leaves third name Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn. found in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Maharashtra.   Could it be our plant from Kas??? -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Date: 31 March 2011 13:04
Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:66046] Climber from Ooty for id 070311MK1
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[Vijayasankar]

I think we finally have Zehneria hookeriana (Wight & Arn.) Arn. here.

This differs from its allied species, Z. bodinieri, by having longer fruiting pedicel and peduncle; and fruit mostly several on common peduncle.

This is endemic to Tamil Nadu and occurs in the high altitudes.

References:
De Wilde WJJO, Duyfjes BEE (2004). Zehneria (Cucurbitaceae) in Thailand, with a note on the Indian Zehneria maysorensis. Thai Forest Bulletin, Botany 32: 15–31.

De Wilde WJJO, Duyfjes BEE (2006). Redefinition of Zehneria and four new related genera (Cucurbitaceae), with an enumeration of the Australasian and Pacific species. Blumea 51: 1–88. doi: 10.3767/000651906X622346

Renner SS, Pandey AK (2013). The Cucurbitaceae of India: Accepted names, synonyms, geographic distribution, and information on images and DNA sequences. PhytoKeys 20: 53–118.

 

Regards 

Vijayasankar

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[Muthu Karthick]

Very interesting Vijayashankar ji. Will read about this.

[Satish Phadke]

Great Vijaya ji
Thanks for having a keen look at all the Zehneria posts

Dr Satish Phadke

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[Vijayasankar]

Thanks Satish ji.

The credit goes mainly to Gurcharan ji for identifying the problem and initiating the revisit.

 

Regards 

Vijayasankar

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