Gentianaceae Sp for ID (17/06/2011 NSJ-02)

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Narendra Joshi

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Jun 17, 2011, 2:32:56 AM6/17/11
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Dear Friends,

Gentianaceae Sp for ID from Gulmarg, Kashmir

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Narendra Joshi

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shrikant ingalhalikar

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Jun 17, 2011, 10:41:29 PM6/17/11
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G. carinata, but need size of flowers to confirm. Regards, Shrikant
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Narendra Joshi

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Jun 18, 2011, 2:07:53 AM6/18/11
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Dear sir,

the size of flower is around 10 mm.

Regards,

Narendra Joshi

Gurcharan Singh

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Sep 3, 2011, 12:19:46 AM9/3/11
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Resurfacing again for ID

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Shrikant ji...........................................................G. carinata, but need size of flowers to confirm.

Narendra ji........................................................Size of the flower is around 10 mm



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Tabish

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Sep 3, 2011, 1:08:12 PM9/3/11
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Gentiana carinata is my call too.
http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Dark%20Blue%20Gentian.html
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shrikant ingalhalikar

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Sep 3, 2011, 2:12:18 PM9/3/11
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G. carinata flowers would not be as big as 10 mm. They should be 4-6
mm only. Regards, Shrikant
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Gurcharan Singh

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Dec 5, 2016, 4:05:32 PM12/5/16
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Forwarding for confirmation


Looks like G. carinata

Gurcharan
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J.M. Garg

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Dec 5, 2016, 10:22:03 PM12/5/16
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Thanks, Singh ji


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chrischa...@btinternet.com

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Dec 6, 2016, 4:08:00 PM12/6/16
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Gentiana (and now related genera) is a difficult genus, as I have said previously.


Distinguishing between G.carinata and similar species is complicated.   What a pity that Gentian specialist Aitken at Edinburgh is no longer available to resolve such matters for us. 

Stewart (back in 1972) recorded G.carinata from 2400-3600m in Kashmir and var. intermedia Clarke from Sonamrag and Suru/Zanskar in Ladakh (also 2400-3600m).

I have seen what MIGHT be G.carinata on many occasions in Kashmir.  He observed that G.carinata proper was said to have fimbriae in the throat whilst the var. intermedia does not.  Stansfield of Liverpool said G.carinata has versatile anthers whilst they are basifixed in G.coronata.   Clearly, such characteristics cannot be observed in normal photos of gentians.

Apparently, at Kew a great many specimens from Kashmir and adjacent areas are in a cover Gentiana coronata (D.Don ex Royle) DC. but Stewart did not consider them to match the plant figured by Royle.  Burkill stated that the type was in too bad a condition for use.

Stewart found the G.marginata, G.carinata, G.coronata group very difficult and in his opinion needed more study.

I cannot readily check if Aitken at Edinburgh had satisfactorily resolved such matters?  I do not know if the characteristics 'Flowers of Himalaya' use to distinguish between G.carinata and G.marginata are authoritative?

At some stage, I would like to take a serious look at Gentianaceae of NW Himalaya but this is quite a challenge and have yet to find the time to focus properly on the family.   SO many other genera belonging to other families also urgently need attention (indeed revision).  So many families and genera are poorly known in the Himalaya.


Certainly more photos in good close-ups showing detail of the corolla, throat of flowers and calyx-lobes would help.


Cannot comment further at this stage. 

J.M. Garg

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Dec 6, 2016, 11:23:27 PM12/6/16
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Thanks, Chadwell ji


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Gentiana crassuloides Bureau & Franch. ??

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Gurcharan Singh

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Sep 28, 2021, 6:36:25 AM9/28/21
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Forwarding for ID
Distributed as  Gentiana carinata ?
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Gurcharan Singh

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Sep 28, 2021, 6:37:59 AM9/28/21
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Forwarding for ID
Distributed as  Gentiana carinata ?
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