Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb61 for Id- JM

[J.M. Garg]

Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.).

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[Rashida Atthar]

Perhaps Cichorium intybus- a guess as per ref. from  A. Stainton.

 

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[shrikant ingalhalikar]

Yes, I agree with Rashidaji. Regards, Shrikant

On Nov 27, 12:47 pm, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps Cichorium intybus- a guess as per ref. from  A. Stainton.
>
> regards,
> Rashida.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around 11,000
> > ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.).
> > --
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[tanay bose]

Yes Rashida Ji

is correct

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Not Cichorium, some species of Cicerbita. May be I will be able to fix after I return from Shashta trip.

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[Pankaj Kumar]

This should be Cicerbita cyanea or macrorhiza!! I would have gone for
C. cynaea looking at the triangular terminal lobe of the leaf and few
more characters evident in the pic.
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[Prashant awale]

This could be Cicerbita macrorhiza?.
(http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Violet%20Dandelion.html)

regards
Prashant

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Singh ji, Pankaj ji, Shrikant ji, Rashida ji & Prashant ji.

I think it matches with Cicerbita macrorhiza in Concise Flowers of Himalayas. No mention of Cicerbita cyanea in this book.

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[Katarina]

I dont think it is Cicerbita macrophylla. Even if altitude and very
bright sunlight can affect the shape of leaves, I have never seen a
macrophylla with this type of leaves. Usually they are light green,
quite large and with an broad almost heart shaped leaf. It must belong
to an another genera as all Cicerbita I have met all have very similar
leaves and nothing like those rounded and apparently slighly succulent
leaflets. However the pruinose surface is very Cicerbita-like.

Regards
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On 1 Dec, 03:35, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Singh ji, Pankaj ji, Shrikant ji, Rashida ji & Prashant ji.
>
> I think it matches with Cicerbita macrorhiza in Concise Flowers of
> Himalayas. No mention of Cicerbita cyanea in this book.
>

> On 28 November 2010 09:51, Prashant awale <pkaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This could be Cicerbita macrorhiza?.
> > (http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Violet%20Dandelion.html)
>
> > regards
> > Prashant
>

> > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> This should be Cicerbita cyanea or macrorhiza!! I would have gone for
> >> C. cynaea looking at the triangular terminal lobe of the leaf and few
> >> more characters evident in the pic.
> >> Regards
> >> Pankaj
>

> >> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around
> >> 11,000
> >> > ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.).
>
> >> > --
> >> > With regards,

> >> > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)

> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
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> >> them
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> >> Dehradun - 248001, India
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> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1

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[Katarina]

Sorry mixed up the names. No experience of C.macrorhiza and cant find
any good photos on the web.
/katarina

On Dec 1, 6:38 am, Katarina <katarina.sten...@emg.umu.se> wrote:
> I dont think it isCicerbitamacrophylla. Even if altitude and very

> bright sunlight can affect the shape of leaves, I have never seen a
> macrophylla with this type of leaves. Usually they are light green,
> quite large and with an broad almost heart shaped leaf. It must belong

> to an another genera as allCicerbitaI have met all have very similar

> leaves and nothing like those rounded and apparently slighly succulent
> leaflets. However the pruinose surface is veryCicerbita-like.
>
> Regards
> Katarina Stenman
> Sweden
>
> On 1 Dec, 03:35, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks, Singh ji, Pankaj ji, Shrikant ji, Rashida ji & Prashant ji.
>

> > I think it matches withCicerbitamacrorhiza in Concise Flowers of
> > Himalayas. No mention ofCicerbitacyanea in this book.

>
> > On 28 November 2010 09:51, Prashant awale <pkaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > This could beCicerbitamacrorhiza?.
> > > (http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Violet%20Dandelion.html)
>
> > > regards
> > > Prashant
>
> > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote:
>

> > >> This should beCicerbitacyanea or macrorhiza!! I would have gone for

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[Rashida Atthar]

If  this is Cicerbita sp., than perhaps it should be Cicerbita macrantha, please check diagram on Pg 199 of A. Stainton. The leaves seem to match. 

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Rashida.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Rashida ji,

I have checked up with Cicerbita macrantha. It doesn't match.
I think it matches with Cicerbita macrorhiza in Concise Flowers of Himalayas.

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[Rashida Atthar]

Beg to differ with you Garg ji. To me the leaves of Cicerbita macrorhiza as shown in A. Stainton appear different from your pics. Ofcourse experts inputs needed !. 

regards,

Rashida.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Rashida ji as per the desc. below leaves are variable:

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Violet%20Dandelion.html

[Pankaj Kumar]

People are still to check with Cicerbita cyanea!!!
Pankaj

[Gurcharan Singh]

Agreed that all the three species under discussion can be considered. I have seen many specimens of C. macrorhiza (syn: Lactuca macrorhiza) and found it to be mostly a prostrate or decumbent plant with distant lower leaflets ((segments) and large terminal lobe. Both C. cyanea (syn: Lactuca hastata) and C. macrantha (syn: L. macrantha are taller plants like ours but C. cyanea has much larger (and sometimes only) terminal lobe with hastate base and distinctly petiolate leaves.

http://plants.jstor.org/specimen/bm000035619

 Our plant seems to have sessile (whatever leaves are visible) with triangular-ovate terminal lobe, and may well fit C. macrantha, but II wonder plant growing from Nepal to Sikkim may have extended to neighbouring region or not.

Most of specimens on the net with only flower-heads don't help much as all the three species may have purple to blue flowers. Three are hardly any photographs with clear leaves. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Singh ji.

As per FOI link, picture is shown from VOF, Uttarakhand:

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Large%20Violet%20Dandelion.html

In view, I take it as Cicerbita macrantha.   

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[JM Garg]

Does not seem to match with images of Melanoseris macrantha (C. B. Clarke) N. Kilian & J. W. Zhang (Syn: (≡) Chaetoseris macrantha (C. B. Clarke) C. Shih; (≡) Cicerbita macrantha (C. B. Clarke) Beauverd; (≡) Lactuca macrantha C. B. Clarke (basionym))

May well be Cicerbita macrorhiza as per http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Violet%20Dandelion.html.

[Pankaj Kumar]

Cichorium sp. by any chance?

Pankaj

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Pankaj ji.

I think no Cichorium

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[Ushadi Micromini]

leaves and the weird way the petals are flailing about makes me think its not cichorium.  and the markedly hairy buds.

Granted that the leaves might be the upper leaves ... not the lower leaves that form the first year rosette

leaves remind me more of whats possible in uttarakhand :  of Lactula species

most likely Cicerbita macrorhiza

I think Valley of flowers have shown this

and

 google shows a lot of these leaves and the flailing flowers

Prashant had a case ot two.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Ushadi.

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[Ushadi Micromini]

so what is it in your opinion?

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[J.M. Garg]

Images at efi page Lactuca macrorhiza, however, look different.

[J.M. Garg]

A reply from Ashwini ji from another thread:
"...............PS: Also Mr Garg’s images here look similar (to Lactuca macrorhiza) too."

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

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