ID request - 20022011-PKA1

[Prashant awale]

Dear Friends,

Seen this tree on the way to Matheran Hill.

Date/Time: 19-02-2011 / 11:50AM
Habitat: Wild
Plant Habit: Tree

regards
Prashant

[Dinesh Valke]

... to me looks like Mallotus nudiflorus (syn. Trewia nudiflora) ... commonly known as: false white teak, river portia • Assamese: bhelkol • Bengali: pitali • Garo: arurong, bol diktak, bol khap • Hindi: पिण्डालु pindalu, पिण्डार pindar • Kannada: ಕಾಡುಗುಮ್ಬಳ kaadugumbala, ಕಾಡುಕಮ್ಚೀ kaadukamchi • Khasi: dieng soh lyndot • Konkani: बोंवारो bomvaro • Lushai: thing-chingel • Malayalam: നീര്‍ക്കടമ്പ് niirkkatamp, പമ്പരക്കുമ്പിള്‍ pamparakkumpil • Manipuri: wangphop • Marathi: पेटारी petari • Nepalese: gurel • Oriya: pithaliya • Sanskrit: पिण्डारः pindarah • Tamil: ஆற்றுப்பூவரசு arru-p-puvaracu • Telugu: ఏరుపొణకు eruponaku • Urdu: پنڐارا pindara



Regards.
Dinesh

[tanay bose]

I think dinesh ji is absolutely correct this plant is indeed Mallotus nudiflorus

Tanay

2011/2/20 Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>

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[Prashant awale]

Thanks Dear Dinesh, Tanay for the ID.

regards

Prashant

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear all,

The leaves appears to belong to Trewia nudiflora L., but the flowers and fruits not matching. Please see my earlier postings of T.nudiflora L. here https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/895fd8c0dfed0def/b67b0740c20e37fb?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora#b67b0740c20e37fb

But here also Prashantji's tree is posted https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/15958fe83e0eeee2/e3e6409c7fe7fc62?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora#

The Tamil name of this tree refers to its riparian habit. Prashantji, did you taken the picture near a water body? Am I confusing? please solve these queries.

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[Rashida Atthar]

I think the leaves also do not belong to T. nudiflora. There is a  distinct front  venation of the leaves in T. nudiflora and not as cordate as seen in the pictures.

 

regards,

Rashida.

[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Agree with Rashida. This does not look like Trewia nudiflora. Sending a link to my photographs of T.nudiflora for comparison.   https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/15958fe83e0eeee2/e3e6409c7fe7fc62?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora-+Neil+Soares#e3e6409c7fe7fc62       This tree could be Trewia polycarpa [Mallotus repandus].                                         With regards,                                           Neil Soares. --- On Mon, 2/21/11, Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com> wrote:

[shrikant ingalhalikar]

Prashant ji, I appreciate your keen observation. I am seeing pictures
of this (female) tree for the first time but can say that this is
female plant of T. nudiflora. Globose woody fruits with 3 yellow
styles can be seen on long stout peduncles. The leaves also tally
though Rashida ji and Neil ji seem to differ. The other tree posted in
another post is a male tree of the same sp. clearly showing flowers
with stamens in pedulous racemes. The female tree is fruiting so the
male tree had to be around, good you got both together. Why not search
for another Trewia polycarpa which has female flowers in racemes and
the fruits are 8 mm, ovoid instead of 3 cm, globose as in T.
nudiflora. I have been searching for this tree for last several years.
Keep it up. Regards, Shrikant

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[Prashant awale]

Thanks Shrikant ji for yr response .
regards
Prashant

[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Just to put things in perspective. The leaves of Prashant's tree dont look anything like this. Sending photographs of 2 of my Trewia nudiflora trees at my farm at Shahapur.                       Regards,                         Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

Neil ji ... my belief (could be wrong) ... leaves of young tree (or sapling) of Trewia nudiflora look like this ... matured tree does not show leaves in the same fashion.
Regards.
Dinesh.

[Neil Soares]

Hi Dinesh,   You could be right, but the first photograph is of a 25 - 30 ft. tall tree.                                 Regards,                                  Neil. --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

OK Neil ji ... I am not familiar with Trewia polycarpa, will not stress on T. nudiflora.
Regards.
Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“... to me looks like Mallotus nudiflorus (syn. Trewia nudiflora) ... ” from Dinesh ji.

 

“The leaves appears to belong to Trewia nudiflora L., but the flowers and fruits not matching. Please see my earlier postings of T.nudiflora L. here https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/895fd8c0dfed0def/b67b0740c20e37fb?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora#b67b0740c20e37fb

But here also Prashantji's tree is posted https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/15958fe83e0eeee2/e3e6409c7fe7fc62?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora#

The Tamil name of this tree refers to its riparian habit. Prashantji, did you taken the picture near a water body? Am I confusing? please solve these queries.” from Muthu ji.

 

“I think the leaves also do not belong to T. nudiflora. There is a  distinct front  venation of the leaves in T. nudiflora and not as cordate as seen in the pictures. 
regards,
Rashida.”

 

"Agree with Rashida. This does not look like Trewia nudiflora. Sending a link to my photographs of T.nudiflora for comparison. 

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/15958fe83e0eeee2/e3e6409c7fe7fc62?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora-+Neil+Soares#e3e6409c7fe7fc62" from Neil ji.

 

"Prashant ji, I appreciate your keen observation. I am seeing pictures of this (female) tree for the first time but can say that this is
female plant of T. nudiflora. Globose woody fruits with 3 yellow styles can be seen on long stout peduncles. The leaves also tally
though Rashida ji and Neil ji seem to differ. The other tree posted in another post is a male tree of the same sp. clearly showing flowers with stamens in pedulous racemes. The female tree is fruiting so the male tree had to be around, good you got both together. Why not search for another Trewia polycarpa which has female flowers in racemes and the fruits are 8 mm, ovoid instead of 3 cm, globose as in T. nudiflora. I have been searching for this tree for last several years. Keep it up. Regards, Shrikant"

 

"Just to put things in perspective. The leaves of Prashant's tree dont look anything like this.
Sending photographs of 2 of my Trewia nudiflora trees at my farm at Shahapur.
                      Regards,
                        Neil Soares."

 

 

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“... to me looks like Mallotus nudiflorus (syn. Trewia nudiflora) ... ” from Dinesh ji.

 

“The leaves appears to belong to Trewia nudiflora L., but the flowers and fruits not matching. Please see my earlier postings of T.nudiflora L. here https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/895fd8c0dfed0def/b67b0740c20e37fb?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora#b67b0740c20e37fb

But here also Prashantji's tree is posted https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/15958fe83e0eeee2/e3e6409c7fe7fc62?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora#

The Tamil name of this tree refers to its riparian habit. Prashantji, did you taken the picture near a water body? Am I confusing? please solve these queries.” from Muthu ji.

 

“I think the leaves also do not belong to T. nudiflora. There is a  distinct front  venation of the leaves in T. nudiflora and not as cordate as seen in the pictures. 
regards,
Rashida.”

 

"Agree with Rashida. This does not look like Trewia nudiflora. Sending a link to my photographs of T.nudiflora for comparison. 

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/15958fe83e0eeee2/e3e6409c7fe7fc62?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trewia+nudiflora-+Neil+Soares#e3e6409c7fe7fc62" from Neil ji.

 

"Prashant ji, I appreciate your keen observation. I am seeing pictures of this (female) tree for the first time but can say that this is
female plant of T. nudiflora. Globose woody fruits with 3 yellow styles can be seen on long stout peduncles. The leaves also tally
though Rashida ji and Neil ji seem to differ. The other tree posted in another post is a male tree of the same sp. clearly showing flowers with stamens in pedulous racemes. The female tree is fruiting so the male tree had to be around, good you got both together. Why not search for another Trewia polycarpa which has female flowers in racemes and the fruits are 8 mm, ovoid instead of 3 cm, globose as in T. nudiflora. I have been searching for this tree for last several years. Keep it up. Regards, Shrikant"

 

"Just to put things in perspective. The leaves of Prashant's tree dont look anything like this.
Sending photographs of 2 of my Trewia nudiflora trees at my farm at Shahapur.
                      Regards,
                        Neil Soares."

 

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[Neil Soares]

Hi Prof. Singh,   Agree with Dinesh. This is Trewia nudiflora, now Mallotus nudiflora.                          Regards,                           Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Trewia polycarpa as per another threa by Dinesh ji.

 

 

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Trevia nudiflora L., Sp. Pl. 1193. 1753; Müll.Arg. in DC., Prodr. 15(2): 953. 1866; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 423. 1887.  Mallotus nudiflorus (L.) Kulju & Welzen, Blumea 52: 124. 2007

Asm.: Bhel-kol, Kenlo, Pithakuma-kendlow;  Beng.: Paringambhar, Pitali;  Garo: Arurong, Boinokhap, Bol-diktak, Joingheia;  Hindi: Bhillaru, Gambhar, Pindara, Tumri;  Kan.: Kaadukayi, Katkumbala;  Kh.: Dieng-soh-lyndot;  Lep.: Thungplam;  Mal.: Kattu-kumi, Mala-kumi, Pambara-kumbil;  Mar.: Petari;  Nep.: Aule-kapase, Belar, Gamari, Garum, Kurong, Pitali, Ramrita;  Or.: Monda, Pithaliya-panijambhar;  Tam.: Annathuvarei, Attarasu, Attu-puvarasu, Raypkunul;  Tel.: Eruponaku;  Urdu: Mondu.

Trees, dioecious, deciduous, 7 - 20 m tall.  Leaves opposite, broadly ovate to deltoid, truncate or cordate at base, entire or dentate along margins, acuminate to cuspidate at apex, 6 - 20 x 3 - 15 cm, chartaceous, glabrous above, velutinous beneath; basal nerves 3; lateral nerves 3 - 6 pairs; petioles of each node unequal, 3 - 10 cm long; stipules linear, 2 – 4 x 1 – 2 mm, caducous.  Inflorescences precocious.  Male flowers: greenish, in 2 or 3-flowered clusters on axillary or terminal lax pendulous 8 - 16 cm long racemes; bracts ovate-lanceolate, ca 3 mm across; pedicels 3 - 5 mm long; sepals 3 or 4, ovate, concave, 3.5 - 6 x 2 - 4 mm; stamens 20 - 25; filaments free, 1.5 - 2.5 mm long; anthers oblong, 1 - 1.5 x 0.5 - 0.7 mm.  Female flowers: axillary, solitary or in 5 - 15 cm long stout racemes; pedicels 5 - 9 mm long; sepals 3 - 5, broadly ovate, 4 - 5 mm long, densely woolly tomentose outside, caducous; ovary 3 - 5-loculed, 3 - 4 mm across, tomentose; styles 3 - 5, shortly connate at base, 1.5 - 3 cm long.  Fruits 2 - 5-loculed, ovoid to subglobose, 1 - 3.5 cm across, shallowly lobed, dehiscent or apparently indehiscent, fleshy, becoming woody with thick or thin pericarp, densely pubescent to glabrous; seeds 3 - 5, globose to ovoid, 0.5 - 1.3 cm across.

KEY TO THE VARIETIES

1a.     Leaves, inflorescences and fruits glabrous                                      2

  b.     Leaves, inflorescences and fruits tomentose or pubescent                 3

2a.     Fruits 2 - 3.5 cm across, with very thick pericarp                                                                                                     1.2. var. nudiflora

  b.     Fruits 1 - 1.5 cm across, with very thin pericarp   1.3. var. polycarpa

3a.     Branchlets densely flocculent-cottony or woolly-tomentose; leaves entire along margins; fruits 2 - 3 cm across, densely white-cottony tomentose                                                     1.4. var. tomentosa

  b.     Branchlets softly pubescent; leaves dentate along margins; fruits 1.5 - 1.8 cm across, yellow pubescent                             1.1. var. dentata

1.1. var. dentata Susila & N.P.Balakr. in J. Econ. Taxon. Bot. 22: 352, f. 4. 1998.

Fl. & Fr.  March - Sept.

Distrib.  India: Evergreen florets, along riverbanks and stream sides, up to 1200 m altitude.  Maharashtra.

Endemic.

1.2. var. nudiflora                                               Fig. 29

Fl. & Fr.  Feb. - Aug.

Distrib.  India: Tropical and subtropical forests, often along riverbanks and stream sides, up to 1000 m altitude.  Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal, Sikkim, Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.

Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan. Bangladesh, Myanmar, S. China, Indo-china, Thailand to Malesia.

Uses.  Leaves are used as cattle fodder.  Wood soft, used for carving, planking, in match industry, packing cases and plywood.

The fruit pulp is sweet and edible.

Notes.  Chromosome number:  2n = 22 (Bhaduri & Kar, Proc. Indian Sci. Congr. 36th Session, Part 3: 140. 1949; Datta, Taxon 16: 341 - 350. 1967; Hans, Taxon 22: 591 - 636. 1973).

The leaves are similar to those of Gmelina arborea.

1.3. var. polycarpa (Benth.) Susila & N.P.Balakr. in J. Econ. Taxon. Bot. 22: 351, f. 2. 1998.  Trevia polycarpa Benth. in Benth. & Hook.f., Gen. Pl. 3: 318. 1880; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 5: 424. 1887, p. p.  Mallotus polycarpus (Benth.) Kulju & Welzen, Blumea 52: 130. 2007.

Kan.: Bomvaro, Tumri;  Mal.: Pambara-kumbil;  Mar.: Petari;  Tam.: Anathuvarei, Kaanji, Raajni.

Fl. & Fr.  Mar. - Oct.

Distrib.  India: In evergreen forests, along hill slopes and river and stream banks, up to 1200 m altitude.  Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Goa, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.  Very common in N. Kanara in Karnataka and Goa.

Endemic.

1.4. var. tomentosa Susila & N.P.Balakr. in J. Econ. Taxon. Bot. 22: 351, f.3. 1998.

Fl. & Fr.  Jan. - July.

Distrib.  India: Evergreen or semievergreen forests, up to 1200 m altitude.  Sikkim, West Bengal, Tripura, Orissa, Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra and Gujarat.

Bangladesh, Myanmar, Indo-china and Thailand.

Tapas Chakrabarty.

[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks very much Garg ji for updating this thread.

Thank you very much Tapas ji for the key to the 4 varieties of Trevia nudiflora.

Yes, the plant posted by Prashant, is for certain, T. polycarpa (T. nudiflora var. polycarpa).

Fruits (seen here in typical dark red colour, with the tell-tale strong cleft), of size 1.5 cm, in clusters.

Regards.