Nervillia sp.

[Neil Soares]

Hi,   Photographed at my home in Bombay today. While watering some saplings awaiting transportation to my farm at Shahapur [with the arrival of the monsoons] was surprised to find this orchid blooming. Haven't the faintest idea where it came from, but it sure is welcome !   Presume it is Nervillia aragoana [the Greenish Rib-leaf Orchid].                             With regards,                               Neil Soares.

[Ushadi micromini]

Dear Dr. Soares: What a gift from Ma nature... I get weeds like
vinca or portulaca at the bases of my houseplants I bring in from the
nurseries, .... you get orchid...
that's luck... ha ha...

I have no idea what 's the name of the orchid... but its a beauty...
but orchid that sprouted its spore in the (rich ) soil must be very
eager to regenerate ...least its family line disappears...
so now you have a great job ahead....
love this.

Usha di

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[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Thank you. Forgot to mention - have 2 bulbs ready to plant collected for me by Pravin Kawale, but this one was not of that stock.                           Regards,                             Neil Soares. --- On Fri, 5/27/11, Ushadi micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sweedle Cerejo]

Attaching photograph of Nervilia aragoana.

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Regards,

Sweedle 

"There is nothing in which the birds differ more from man than the way in which they can build and yet leave a landscape as it was before".~ R.W.Lynd 

On 28 May 2011 10:17, Sweedle Cerejo <swee...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sweedle Cerejo]

Neilji,

       This seems to be the other species of Nervilia i.e.N. infundibulifolia. 

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Sweedle 

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[Satya Prakash]

Respected & Dear Flora Scientists/ Plant Lovers,

Greetings!

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Looking forward for your kind response.

Thanks in advance.

 

Kind Regards

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Conservation Biologist
Rajasthan, India
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Hi,

Sending you a link for your perusal

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[Neil Soares]

Hi Sweedle,  Fair enough. Have the book "Wild Orchids of the Northern Western Ghats" by Dr.Satish Pande et al. It looked more like the Greenish Rib-leaf Orchid [N.aragoana] than the Pin Rib-leaf Orchid [N.plicata] or the Maroon Rib-leaf Orchid [N.infundibulifolia] to me.  Will have to wait till it throws a new leaf after it finishes flowering to be absolutely sure.                       Regards,                        Neil. --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Sweedle Cerejo <swee...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dr Pankaj Kumar]

Dear All
Some how I missed your orchid.
Neil Sir, your orchid is not Nervilia aragoana for sure but what
Sweedle has provided is 100% N. aragoana. Sweedle is also an
Orchidologist on the group so she cant go wrong so easily.
Nervilia genus can be divided into three sections:
Section Linervia: Inflorescence with 1 flower
Section Vinerfia: Inflorescence with 2 flower
Section Nervilia: Inflorescence with multiple flower

Dr. Neil's pic is for sure in normal condition and bearing single
flower.
Sweedle's pic is multiflowered: with green petals and sepals and lip
all points to a typical Nervilia aragoana.

So the question is what is Dr. Neil's plant. Nervilia infundibulifolia
is supposed to have papillose ridges on the lip which I cant see in
the pic. There is another orchid very similar to this, Nervilia
falcata, it has single glandular pubescent line running from the base
of the lip till the tip. That is also not visible. It can be a
slightly deformed flower lacking these characters, not a big deal.
Some more closeup shots should be helpful.
The image of Nervilia infundibulifolia in Sathish Pande et al. book on
Orchids of Northern western Ghats shows dry flower and hence identity
cant be confirmed from atleast that particular pic.

Thanks a lot for sharing.

Regards
Pankaj

[Neil Soares]

Thank you Dr. Pankaj for your detailed explanation. Am taking it tonight  to plant it at my farm but will try for some more photographs. At any rate will keep you informed once the leaf appears.                         Regards,                           Neil Soares. --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com> wrote:

[H S]

Orchidologist.....   good words used pankaj ji...

 

To me it looks like N. juliana,, N. infundibulifolia stalk is not so big...

 

 

 - H.S.

A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone

[Pankaj Kumar]

Dear Mr H.S.

I didnt understand what you mean by the first line of your post.... to
me, yes she is an orchidologist. For half of the taxonomists cant
differentiate between N. aragoana and N. gammieana, but she could as
she shared N. aragoana pics.

Secondly, the keys are not based on the length of the stalk though
such key exists in Santapau and Kapadia. It can elongate or shortened
according to the climate. Try keeping them in shade, they give
different colour, different length and even different patterns on the
lip. The plant shared by Neil sir is not from wild and for 100% sure
it will show variation.

It can be Nervilia juliana that has been reported from Maharastra.

But from this pic, we cant make out if the midlobe has hairs inside
(N. juliana), all the three (falcata, infundibulifolia, juliana) have
somewhat rhomboidal midlobe, lip is supposed to be longer than petals
in juliana which is not so in the pic, N. infundibulifolia is supposed
to be deeply channeled which is somewhat evident in the pic as light
green line, but yes its not so clear, neither the papillose lining is
clear to confirm that it is N. falcata, moreover I dont think falcata
is available in Maharastra, unless reported recently. Having a new
record from Maharastra will not be a big deal though as from
Chhotanagpur we had only one species reported before but during my
work, I found 6 and two of which I am still not able to confirm.

These were the reasons why I wasnt able to confirm about Dr Neil's
plant. Nervilia is very tricky among the terrestrial ones. I have seen
so many variation and so many new records and recently we have
communicated a new species of Nervilia from western Himalaya, the
closest ally of which is N. infundibulifolia, it took us 2 years to
understand if we can really say its new.

Please note that I am not saying that this is not juliana, I am just
saying that we cant confirm from this image. Easiest way to confirm
will be to take out the lip and find hairs on the lower end!! if they
r there then you are right!!

Pankaj

[Pankaj Kumar]

Just in case if some one has Seidenfaden's reference on Nervilia then
please share. G. Seidenfaden wrote in one of his comments that N.
infundibulifolia, mackinonnii and falcata could be conspecific. I
imagine on what grounds. May be he was too much confused too as he
never tried this on his own. This reference is available at TBGRI if
Dr. Santosh sir could help.
Regards
Pankaj

[ushadi Micromini]

Dear Neil and Pankaj ji-s:
What a lovely truly scientific discussion, ....
I truly appreciate this ...

yes Please keep us posted as to how your volunteer orchid developed....
thanks to you both and Sweedle -ji
Usha di
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[H S]

Thanks Pankaj ji for valuable information..

regards,

[Jayesh]

Very special guest

Regards
Jayesh

On May 27, 6:18 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“This seems to be the other species of Nervilia i.e.N. infundibulifolia.
--
Regards,
Sweedle ”                  

 

“Neil Sir, your orchid is not Nervilia aragoana for sure but what

Sweedle has provided is 100% N. aragoana. Sweedle is also an
Orchidologist on the group so she cant go wrong so easily.
Nervilia genus can be divided into three sections:
Section Linervia: Inflorescence with 1 flower
Section Vinerfia: Inflorescence with 2 flower
Section Nervilia: Inflorescence with multiple flower

Dr. Neil's pic is for sure in normal condition and bearing single
flower.
Sweedle's pic is multiflowered: with green petals and sepals and lip
all points to a typical Nervilia aragoana.

So the question is what is Dr. Neil's plant. Nervilia infundibulifolia
is supposed to have papillose ridges on the lip which I cant see in
the pic. There is another orchid very similar to this, Nervilia
falcata, it has single glandular pubescent line running from the base
of the lip till the tip. That is also not visible. It can be a
slightly deformed flower lacking these characters, not a big deal.
Some more closeup shots should be helpful.
The image of Nervilia infundibulifolia in Sathish Pande et al. book on
Orchids of Northern western Ghats shows dry flower and hence identity

cant be confirmed from atleast that particular pic.”

 

“Will have to wait till it throws a new leaf after it finishes flowering to be absolutely sure.
                      Regards,
                       Neil.”

Pankaj"

"Just in case if some one has Seidenfaden's reference on Nervilia then
please share. G. Seidenfaden wrote in one of his comments that N.
infundibulifolia, mackinonnii and falcata could be conspecific. I
imagine on what grounds. May be he was too much confused too as he
never tried this on his own. This reference is available at TBGRI if
Dr. Santosh sir could help.
Regards
Pankaj"

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:
“This seems to be the other species of Nervilia i.e.N. infundibulifolia.
--
Regards,
Sweedle ”                  
 
“Neil Sir, your orchid is not Nervilia aragoana for sure but what Sweedle has provided is 100% N. aragoana. Sweedle is also an
Orchidologist on the group so she cant go wrong so easily.
Nervilia genus can be divided into three sections:
Section Linervia: Inflorescence with 1 flower
Section Vinerfia: Inflorescence with 2 flower
Section Nervilia: Inflorescence with multiple flower
Dr. Neil's pic is for sure in normal condition and bearing single flower.
Sweedle's pic is multiflowered: with green petals and sepals and lip all points to a typical Nervilia aragoana.
So the question is what is Dr. Neil's plant. Nervilia infundibulifolia is supposed to have papillose ridges on the lip which I cant see in
the pic. There is another orchid very similar to this, Nervilia falcata, it has single glandular pubescent line running from the base
of the lip till the tip. That is also not visible. It can be a slightly deformed flower lacking these characters, not a big deal.
Some more closeup shots should be helpful.
The image of Nervilia infundibulifolia in Sathish Pande et al. book on Orchids of Northern western Ghats shows dry flower and hence identity

cant be confirmed from atleast that particular pic.” from Pankaj ji.

 
“Will have to wait till it throws a new leaf after it finishes flowering to be absolutely sure.
                      Regards,
                       Neil.”

"Secondly, the keys are not based on the length of the stalk though such key exists in Santapau and Kapadia. It can elongate or shortened according to the climate. Try keeping them in shade, they give different colour, different length and even different patterns on the lip. The plant shared by Neil sir is not from wild and for 100% sure it will show variation.
It can be Nervilia juliana that has been reported from Maharastra. But from this pic, we cant make out if the midlobe has hairs inside
(N. juliana), all the three (falcata, infundibulifolia, juliana) have somewhat rhomboidal midlobe, lip is supposed to be longer than petals
in juliana which is not so in the pic, N. infundibulifolia is supposed to be deeply channeled which is somewhat evident in the pic as light
green line, but yes its not so clear, neither the papillose lining is clear to confirm that it is N. falcata, moreover I dont think falcata
is available in Maharastra, unless reported recently. Having a new record from Maharastra will not be a big deal though as from
Chhotanagpur we had only one species reported before but during my work, I found 6 and two of which I am still not able to confirm.
These were the reasons why I wasnt able to confirm about Dr Neil's plant. Nervilia is very tricky among the terrestrial ones. I have seen
so many variation and so many new records and recently we have communicated a new species of Nervilia from western Himalaya, the
closest ally of which is N. infundibulifolia, it took us 2 years to understand if we can really say its new.
Please note that I am not saying that this is not juliana, I am just saying that we cant confirm from this image. Easiest way to confirm
will be to take out the lip and find hairs on the lower end!! if they r there then you are right!!
Pankaj"

"Just in case if some one has Seidenfaden's reference on Nervilia then please share. G. Seidenfaden wrote in one of his comments that N. infundibulifolia, mackinonnii and falcata could be conspecific. I imagine on what grounds. May be he was too much confused too as he never tried this on his own. This reference is available at TBGRI if Dr. Santosh sir could help.
Regards
Pankaj"

 

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From: Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>
Date: 27 May 2011 18:48
Subject: [efloraofindia:70478] Nervillia sp.
To: indian...@googlegroups.com

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With regards,
J.M.Garg (jmg...@gmail.com)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1740 members & 90,000 messages on 31/10/11) or Efloraofindia website: https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database of more than 6000 species).

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Nervilia species

Group discussion at

Nervillia sp. (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Nervilia species

Group discussion at

Nervillia sp. (google.com)

[Pankaj Kumar]

I need to see the leaves,but possibly Nervilia infundibulifolia.

Pankaj

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Nervilia infundibulifolia ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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