Rubus for ID 290411MK2

Muthu Karthick

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Apr 29, 2011, 7:41:31 AM4/29/11

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Dear all,

Please help to id this stragler found in the forests of Nilgiris. I also recorded this in forest patches of Kodaikanal. Is this any Rubus species?


Date/Time-	10-04-2011 / 09:00 AM
Location- Place, Altitude, GP	ca.2000asl; Kotagiri, TN
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-	forest edges [weed]
Plant Habit-	thorny straggler
Height/Length-	1 - 2 m long
Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-	ca.15 x 8 cm; 3-foliolate
Inflorescence Type/ Size-	c. 15cm long; racemes
Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-	yellow; c. 2.5 cm across
Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-
Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.-

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Muthu Karthick, N
Care Earth Trust

#15, second main road,

Thillai ganga nagar,
Chennai - 600 061

Mob: 0091 96268 33911
www.careearthtrust.org

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Ushadi micromini

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Apr 29, 2011, 12:29:18 PM4/29/11

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Muthuji: did you see any ripe berries? what color did they end up?
edible?

Usha di
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On Apr 29, 4:41 pm, Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
> Please help to id this stragler found in the forests of Nilgiris. I also

> recorded this in forest patches of Kodaikanal. Is this any *Rubus* species?
>
> *Date/Time-*

>
> 10-04-2011 / 09:00 AM
>

> *Location- Place, Altitude, GP*
>
> ca.2000asl; Kotagiri, TN
>
> *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-*
>
> forest edges [weed]
>
> *Plant Habit-*
> thorny straggler
>
> *Height/Length-*

>
> 1 - 2 m long
>

> *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-*

>
> ca.15 x 8 cm; 3-foliolate
>

> *Inflorescence Type/ Size-*
>
> c. 15cm long; racemes
>
> *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-*

>
> yellow; c. 2.5 cm across
>

> *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- *
>
> *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- *
> *
> *

> --
> Muthu Karthick, N
> Care Earth Trust
> #15, second main road,
> Thillai ganga nagar,
> Chennai - 600 061
> Mob: 0091 96268 33911www.careearthtrust.org
>

> Rubus (5).jpg
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manudev madhavan

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Apr 30, 2011, 6:16:35 AM4/30/11

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Could this be Rubus ellipticus??

--

Manudev K Madhavan

Junior Research Fellow

Systematic & Floristic Lab,

Department of Botany,
Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research
St. Joseph's College, Devagiri
Kozhikode- 673 008
Mob: 9496470738

Muthu Karthick

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May 2, 2011, 2:50:46 AM5/2/11

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I have not noticed any fruits in this plant Ushaji and yes the fruits are edible (local people consume)

Ritesh Choudhary

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May 2, 2011, 2:56:43 AM5/2/11

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Yes! Rubus ellipticus from me too.

Regards,
Ritesh.

Muthu Karthick

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May 2, 2011, 6:44:29 AM5/2/11

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Dear all,

Thank you very much for the id. This plant is Rubus ellipticus Smith of Rosaceae. I will try to upload the pictures of fruits soon.

manudev madhavan

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May 2, 2011, 6:55:51 AM5/2/11

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Muthuji..

please cross check..

according to the "Plantlist" there are 3 varieties for this species..

Gurcharan Singh

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May 29, 2011, 12:04:38 AM5/29/11

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Yes Rubus ellipticus

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

Ushadi micromini

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May 29, 2011, 11:02:47 AM5/29/11

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Dr. Oudhia and others:
I have a question for Dr Oudhia or any body that may know:

In urban ethnobotany in vicinity of NYC immigrant women and Herbalists
from established euopean descent or native groups use infusions of
rubus spp as a uterine tonic esp in preganancy...

MY QUESTION:
since this grows abundantly in the uttarachanchal , foot of the
himalyas etc.... do local herbalists, old wives tales list this leaf
for similar use?

Usha di
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On May 29, 9:04 am, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes Rubus ellipticus
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:25 PM, manudev madhavan <manudevkmadha...@gmail.com

>
> > wrote:
> > Muthuji..
> > please cross check..

> > according to the "*Plantlist*" there are 3 varieties for this species..

>
> > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dear all,

> >> Thank you very much for the id. This plant is *Rubus ellipticus* Smith of

> >> Rosaceae. I will try to upload the pictures of fruits soon.
>

> >> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Ritesh Choudhary <ritesh....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Yes! Rubus ellipticus from me too.
>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Ritesh.
>
> >> --
> >> Muthu Karthick, N
> >> Care Earth Trust
> >> #15, second main road,
> >> Thillai ganga nagar,
> >> Chennai - 600 061
> >> Mob: 0091 96268 33911
> >>www.careearthtrust.org
>
> > --

> > *Manudev K Madhavan*

Gurcharan Singh

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May 29, 2011, 11:56:15 AM5/29/11

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Usha di

I may not not know that, but growing very commonly in California is a species of Rubus which is commonly known as Himalayan blackberry commonly sold in stores as blackberry and favourite of Americans for its large nearly 2-2.5 cm size fruits, relished as much as strawberry. This was earlier named as Rubus procerus or R. fruticosus, believed to have been introduced from India. Recently it has been correctly identified to be an Armenian species R. armeniacus (syn: R. procerus auct (non Muell.) Focke and now also goes under the name of Armenian blackberry, but name himalayan blackberry sticks.

Incidently the R.fruticosus growing in Kashmir and some other parts of Himalayas is also a distinct species R. ulmifolius.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

ushadi Micromini

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May 29, 2011, 1:02:08 PM5/29/11

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Dear Gurucharan ji:
yes the himalayan blackberry is known in the northeastern states simply as black raspberry... starts as red and turns black as it ripens....quite sweet when ripest... there are several patches where they grow naturally, we try to keep them a secret along our walking paths in the wilderness, so that we may occasionally enjoy a sweet snack if hungry on the trail...
great fun...
Usha di
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Gurcharan Singh

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May 29, 2011, 1:11:03 PM5/29/11

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And they were originally introduced in California to keep off the animals and intruders from orchards and farmland, usually used as fences because of their strong sharp prickles.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

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