Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb61B for Id- JM

[J.M. Garg]

Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.).

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[Gurcharan Singh]

I think same Cicerbita macrorhiza, uploaded in another mail.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Singh ji.

But this one is different from the aerlier plant as at link

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/d5fccae1eff9f43f/3a7c9a0734a4c28c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Cicerbita+#3a7c9a0734a4c28c

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[Pankaj Kumar]

I have doubts about the identity. Heads are sessile. I though Cicerita
will have stalked heads.
Pankaj

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Pankaj ji, that is true. The leaves, habit and pubescence on fruiting heads looks similar. Let us explore further.

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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID

Earlier feedback

Me..................................I think same Cicerbita macrorhiza, uploaded in another mail.

Garg ji.............................But this one is different from the aerlier plant as at link

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/d5fccae1eff9f43f/3a7c9a0734a4c28c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Cicerbita+#3a7c9a0734a4c28c

Pankaj ji..........................I have doubts about the identity. Heads are sessile. I though Cicerita will have stalked heads.

Me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes Pankaj ji, that is true. The leaves, habit and pubescence on fruiting heads looks similar. Let us explore further.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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[J.M. Garg]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback

Singh ji..................................I think same Cicerbita macrorhiza, uploaded in another mail.
Me.............................But this one is different from the earlier plant as at link

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/d5fccae1eff9f43f/3a7c9a0734a4c28c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Cicerbita+#3a7c9a0734a4c28c
Pankaj ji..........................I have doubts about the identity. Heads are sessile. I though Cicerita will have stalked heads.

Singh ji ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes Pankaj ji, that is true. The leaves, habit and pubescence on fruiting heads looks similar. Let us explore further.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: 26 November 2010 18:17
Subject: Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb61B for Id- JM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback

Singh ji..................................I think same Cicerbita macrorhiza, uploaded in another mail.
Me.............................But this one is different from the earlier plant as at link

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/d5fccae1eff9f43f/3a7c9a0734a4c28c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Cicerbita+#3a7c9a0734a4c28c
Pankaj ji..........................I have doubts about the identity. Heads are sessile. I though Cicerita will have stalked heads.

Singh ji ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes Pankaj ji, that is true. The leaves, habit and pubescence on fruiting heads looks similar. Let us explore further.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Subject: [efloraofindia:55186] Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb61B for Id- JM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[Rashida Atthar]

Sir,  I think these pictures are of Cicerbita  macrorhiza only. The other similar set sent by Grag ji as per the discussion, was more likely to be Cicerbita macrantha- line drawing and description from Polunin & Stainton matching the same.  

 

regards,

Rashida.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Rashida ji

Perhaps it isdifficult to ignore the sessile heads covered with it seems blackish hairs. I have never seen so many segments in the leaves of. C. macrorhica. Plant this plant is much larger than C. macrorhiza.

I am still confused about the identity of this plant.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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[Rashida Atthar]

Sir, Polunin & Stainton  does mention that leaves are variable. but the terminal lobe much larger as seen in the pictures. The book also mentions that it could be much branched prosrate  or pendulous stems to 60 cm, sometimes 10 cm or less. since the leaves do not match the other two species of Cicerbita,  I thought it matches with C. macrorhiza.  

 

regards,

Rashida.    

[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback

Singh ji..................................I think same Cicerbita macrorhiza, uploaded in another mail.
Me.............................But this one is different from the earlier plant as at link

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/d5fccae1eff9f43f/3a7c9a0734a4c28c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Cicerbita+#3a7c9a0734a4c28c
Pankaj ji..........................I have doubts about the identity. Heads are sessile. I though Cicerita will have stalked heads.

Singh ji ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes Pankaj ji, that is true. The leaves, habit and pubescence on fruiting heads looks similar. Let us explore further.

Rashida ji...............................Sir,  I think these pictures are of Cicerbita  macrorhiza only. The other similar set sent by Grag ji as per the discussion, was more likely to be Cicerbita macrantha- line drawing and description from Polunin & Stainton matching the same.  

Me........................................Perhaps it isdifficult to ignore the sessile heads covered with it seems blackish hairs. I have never seen so many segments in the leaves of. C. macrorhica. Plant this plant is much larger than C. macrorhiza. I am still confused about the identity of this plant.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Subject: [efloraofindia:55186] Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb61B for Id- JM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[Ushadi]

[Ushadi]

please look at this link at FOI this pic here in this query does not match FOI or wiki...
http://www.flowersofindia.net/risearch/search.php?query=+Cicerbita+macrorhiza&stpos=0&stype=AND
I am a bit confused ....

[jmgarg1]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback

Singh ji..................................I think same Cicerbita macrorhiza, uploaded in another mail.
Me.............................But this one is different from the earlier plant as at link

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/d5fccae1eff9f43f/3a7c9a0734a4c28c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Cicerbita+#3a7c9a0734a4c28c
Pankaj ji..........................I have doubts about the identity. Heads are sessile. I though Cicerita will have stalked heads.

Singh ji ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes Pankaj ji, that is true. The leaves, habit and pubescence on fruiting heads looks similar. Let us explore further.

Rashida ji...............................Sir, I think these pictures are of Cicerbita macrorhiza only. The other similar set sent by Grag ji as per the discussion, was more likely to be Cicerbita macrantha- line drawing and description from Polunin & Stainton matching the same.

Singh ji........................................Perhaps it is difficult to ignore the sessile heads covered with it seems blackish hairs. I have never seen so many segments in the leaves of. C. macrorhica. This plant is much larger than C. macrorhiza. I am still confused about the identity of this plant.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Date: 26 November 2010 18:17

Subject: Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb61B for Id- JM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

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[jmgarg1]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback

Singh ji..................................I think same Cicerbita macrorhiza, uploaded in another mail.
Me.............................But this one is different from the earlier plant as at link

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/d5fccae1eff9f43f/3a7c9a0734a4c28c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Cicerbita+#3a7c9a0734a4c28c
Pankaj ji..........................I have doubts about the identity. Heads are sessile. I though Cicerita will have stalked heads.

Singh ji ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes Pankaj ji, that is true. The leaves, habit and pubescence on fruiting heads looks similar. Let us explore further.

Rashida ji...............................Sir, I think these pictures are of Cicerbita macrorhiza only. The other similar set sent by Grag ji as per the discussion, was more likely to be Cicerbita macrantha- line drawing and description from Polunin & Stainton matching the same.

Singh ji........................................Perhaps it is difficult to ignore the sessile heads covered with it seems blackish hairs. I have never seen so many segments in the leaves of. C. macrorhica. This plant is much larger than C. macrorhiza. I am still confused about the identity of this plant.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: 26 November 2010 18:17
Subject: Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb61B for Id- JM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

[J.M. Garg]

A reply from Ashwini ji from another thread:
"...............PS: Also Mr Garg’s images here look similar (to Lactuca macrorhiza) too."

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

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