Fruiting tree for ID from Jaipur forest | 08Aug10AR01
raghu ananth
Date/Time : | 18/Jul/2010 10.49AM |
Location- Place, altitude and GPS: |
Joypur (Jaipur) forests, Naharkatia, 75 kms from Dibrugarh, Assam, |
Habitat- garden/ urban/wild/type: | Wild, Sub tropical wet evergreen forests. |
Plant Habit-tree/shrub/climber/herb: | Tree, |
Height/length: | 15 feet approx, |
Leaves-type/shape/size: | /Green color/Acuminate/ Leaf size 30cms approx Petiole -40cms Leaf edge entire Palmate - 7 leaves |
Inflorescence type /size: |
- |
Flowers-size/colour/calyx/bracts: |
No flowers |
Fruits type-shape/size/seeds: |
Spherical/brown/7-10cmscms |
Fragrance/odour/pollinator/uses and so on: |
- We could see three such trees. - This is a low light photograph on a rainy day |
raghu ananth
From: raghu ananth <ragh...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 11:13:44 AM
Subject: [efloraofindia:43738] Fruiting tree for ID from Jaipur forest | 08Aug10AR01
Dr. Arvind Kadus
regards,
Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.
On Aug 8, 11:19 am, raghu ananth <raghu_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Correction : Pls read the fruit shape as obovate.
>
> ________________________________
Pankaj Kumar
Pankaj
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Resurfacing again for ID
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From: raghu ananth <ragh...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Subject: [efloraofindia:43738] Fruiting tree for ID from Jaipur forest | 08Aug10AR01
J.M. Garg
Forwarding again for Id assistance pl.
Earlier relevant feedback:
regards,
Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune”
“Aesculus by any chance? Family Sapindaceae.
Pankaj”
From: raghu ananth <ragh...@yahoo.com>
Date: 8 August 2010 11:13
Subject: [efloraofindia:43738] Fruiting tree for ID from Jaipur forest | 08Aug10AR01
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mani nair
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Ritesh Choudhary
I am confused between Aesculus indica and A. assamica. Can u pl throw
some light on it??
Regards,
Ritesh.
On Oct 15, 8:06 pm, mani nair <mani.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The fruits looks like chikoo and watery on surface.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mani.
>
>
>
>
> > If it is the same plant then I dont think it should be edible as the fruits
> > of one of the species of Aesculus (Aesculus hippocastanum) are considered
> > to be poisonous for horse. Its called HORSE CHEST NUT. Used
> > in poisoning horse food.
> > Pankaj
>
>
> >> Pankaj ji, are the fruits edible? I have seen the fruits sold by tribals
> >> near Dombivli railway station.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Mani.
>
>
> >>> *Aesculus indica.*
> >>> *Pankaj*
> >>> *
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> >>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance pl.
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Ritesh jiHere are the main differencesA. indica A. assaminaPetiole 7-15 cm long Petiole 18-30 cm longTerminal leaflet 12-25 cm, 4-7 cm broad Terminal leaflet 20-35 cm long, 6-12 cm broadLeaves submembranous Leaves subcoriaceousFruit 3.5-4.5 cm long Fruit 4.5-5 cm long
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J.M. Garg
As per your description, the leaf edge is entire. But in DSC_4249a the leaf margin appears to me as Crenulate. Fruits are also not prickly or verrucose. So I suppose this plant to be Aesculus assamica (Hippocastanaceae).
Pl validate.
Regards,
Ritesh."
J.M. Garg
Rashida Atthar
Pankaj Kumar
1. Esculentus means edible, hence Aesculus should mean non-edible.
Going with Ms. Rashida's explaination also if ESCA means food, A -
ESCA should mean "NOT A FOOD" in other words 'POISONOUS'. But there
are ways to cook poisonous plants and animals and Japanese along with
Chinese are known to excel it and even some indian tribals may excel
and they might have passed it over to others.
2. There are two Aesculus indica of which the first one below is
invalid according to ICBN. Secondly Aesculus indica has two more
varieties, A. i. var. sydney and A. i. var. concolor and obviously A.
i. var indica.
a. Aesculus indica Colebr. ex Wall. Numer. List [Wallich] n. 1181.
1829 (INVALID)
b. Aesculus indica (Wall. ex Jacquem.) Hook.f. Bot. Mag. 85: t. 5117.
1859 [1 May 1859]
Syn: Pavia indica Wall. ex Jacquem. Voy. Inde [Jacquemont] 4: 31. 1844.
I am attaching few pictures of herbarium sheets from Kew. The size of
the digital herbarium is equal to the size of the sheet (297 mm x 420
mm) so by putting the pic at 100% and using some scale on the screen
you can take measurements. There is a softwares too to measure
distance between two points on pictures.
Anyways, only difference which is evident to me is of longer petiole
(comparatively) in A. assamica. Hence with longer petiole in mind the
present picture shared n the thread should be of A. assamica as Ms.
Rashida claims. At the same time eflora of China says leaflets usually
petiolulate in A. assamica of 0.5 - 1.5 cm. Which is evident in the
picture. The two illustrations provided by them seems to differ. But
frankly, I couldnt come to any conclusion with all these.
Description from eflora of China for Aesculus assamica:
Trees to 32 m tall, to 0.6 m d.b.h. Branchlets glabrous, subglabrous,
or puberulent when young. Petiole 8-30 cm, glabrous, subglabrous, or
puberulent; leaf blade 5-9-foliolate; petiolules 0.3-1.5 cm (leaflets
rarely subsessile), glabrous, subglabrous, or sparsely puberulent and
dark glandular when young; leaflet blades oblong-lanceolate to
oblong-oblanceolate, rarely lanceolate to oblanceolate or narrowly so,
(7-)12-35(-42) × (3-)5-18 cm, abaxially glabrous, or puberulent or
pilose on veins when young, base cuneate or broadly so or rounded,
margin crenulate to serrulate, apex acuminate to caudate; lateral
veins in 17-30 pairs. Inflorescence pale yellow puberulent; peduncle
7-13 cm; thyrse cylindric, (22-)27-45 cm, 5-14 cm wide at base;
branches 2-7 cm, 3-11-flowered; pedicels 3-7 mm. Flowers fragrant.
Calyx 4-8 mm, abaxially gray or pale yellowish gray puberulent or
finely gray velutinous. Petals 4, white or pale yellow, with purple or
brown spots, sometimes orange toward base or claw reddish, unequal, 2
spatulate to oblong and 2 oblong-obovate or obovate, 13-22 × 3-7 mm,
abaxially gray puberulent or velutinous. Stamens 5-7, 18-40 mm;
filament glabrous; anther 1.5-3 mm. Style glabrous, subglabrous,
sparsely puberulent, or tomentose. Capsule yellowish brown, ovoid to
obovoid, subglobose, or depressed globose, 4.5-5 × 3-7.5 cm, dotted
but smooth; pericarp 1.5-2 mm thick after drying. Seed usually 1,
brown, globose, subglobose, or depressed globose, 3-7 cm in diam.;
hilum white, occupying ca. 1/2 (rarely ca. 1/3) of seed. Fl.
(Jan-)Feb-May, fr. Jun-Nov.
Aesculus indica from Flora of British India
Leaflets usually 7 acuminate delicately serrate submembraneous
distinctly petioluled, panicles oblong nearly equalling or exceeding
the leaves, flowers secund.
Further: A fine tree of 60-70 feet in height and 10-15 inch in girt,
with glabrous terete branches. Leaves glabrous; leaflets unequal, the
terminal one 5-9 by 1.5 - 3 inch, the lateral ones smalled; common
petiole 3-6 inch, thickened at the base, sulcate above; petiolules
ranging to 5/6 inch. Calyx tubular, 1/3 inch long, frequently
splitting as the flowers open; lobes short, rounded. Petals 4, white
with red and yellow, the place of the fifth vacant. Capsule ovoid or
subpyriform, reddish-brown, without spines, rather rough, 1-2 inch,
long. Seed dark. The interior of the seeds es eater in Himalayas
according to Dr. ROyle, in time of famine, cattle habitually eat them.
The dark peels off in long strips; the wood is light coloured and
easily worked. The fruit is officinal, being applies externally for
rheumatism. The leaves are lopped for winter fodder in the Himalaya.
Found this from WIKIPEDIA for Aesculus hippocastanum, may be
applicable to other species too, but cant be sure:
The nuts, especially those that are young and fresh, are slightly
poisonous, containing alkaloid saponins and glucosides. Although not
dangerous to touch, they cause sickness when eaten. Some mammals,
notably deer, are able to break down the toxins and eat them safely.
They are reputed to be good for horses with wind, but this is unproven
and feeding them to horses is not advisable. The saponin aescin (a
complex mixture of triterpene glycosides), however, has been used for
health purposes (such as varicose veins, edema, sprains) and is
available in food supplements, as is the coumarin glucoside aesculin.
Regards
Pankaj
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Few things I would like to add.
>
> 1. Esculentus means edible, hence Aesculus should mean non-edible.
> Going with Ms. Rashida's explaination also if ESCA means food, A -
> ESCA should mean "NOT A FOOD" in other words 'POISONOUS'. But there
> are ways to cook poisonous plants and animals and Japanese along with
> Chinese are known to excel it and even some indian tribals may excel
> and they might have passed it over to others.
>
> 2. There are two Aesculus indica of which the first one below is
> invalid according to ICBN. Secondly Aesculus indica has two more
> varieties, A. i. var. sydney and A. i. var. concolor and obviously A.
> i. var indica.
>
> a. Aesculus indica Colebr. ex Wall. Numer. List [Wallich] n. 1181.
> 1829 (INVALID)
>
> b. Aesculus indica (Wall. ex Jacquem.) Hook.f. Bot. Mag. 85: t. 5117.
> 1859 [1 May 1859]
> Syn: Pavia indica Wall. ex Jacquem. Voy. Inde [Jacquemont] 4: 31. 1844.
>
> I am attaching few pictures of herbarium sheets from Kew. The size of
> the digital herbarium is equal to the size of the sheet (297 mm x 420
> mm) so by putting the pic at 100% and using some scale on the screen
> you can take measurements. There is a softwares too to measure
> distance between two points on pictures.
>
> Anyways, only difference which is evident to me is of longer petiole
> (comparatively) in A. assamica. Hence with longer petiole in mind the
> present picture shared n the thread should be of A. assamica as Ms.
> Rashida claims. At the same time eflora of China says leaflets usually
> petiolulate in A. assamica of 0.5 - 1.5 cm. Which is evident in the
> picture. The two illustrations provided by them seems to differ. But
> frankly, I couldnt come to any conclusion with all these.
>
> Description from eflora of China for Aesculus assamica:
>
> Trees to 32 m tall, to 0.6 m d.b.h. Branchlets glabrous, subglabrous,
> or puberulent when young. Petiole 8-30 cm, glabrous, subglabrous, or
> puberulent; leaf blade 5-9-foliolate; petiolules 0.3-1.5 cm (leaflets
> rarely subsessile), glabrous, subglabrous, or sparsely puberulent and
> dark glandular when young; leaflet blades oblong-lanceolate to
> oblong-oblanceolate, rarely lanceolate to oblanceolate or narrowly so,
> (7-)12-35(-42) × (3-)5-18 cm, abaxially glabrous, or puberulent or
> pilose on veins when young, base cuneate or broadly so or rounded,
> margin crenulate to serrulate, apex acuminate to caudate; lateral
> veins in 17-30 pairs. Inflorescence pale yellow puberulent; peduncle
> 7-13 cm; thyrse cylindric, (22-)27-45 cm, 5-14 cm wide at base;
> branches 2-7 cm, 3-11-flowered; pedicels 3-7 mm. Flowers fragrant.
> Calyx 4-8 mm, abaxially gray or pale yellowish gray puberulent or
> finely gray velutinous. Petals 4, white or pale yellow, with purple or
> brown spots, sometimes orange toward base or claw reddish, unequal, 2
> spatulate to oblong and 2 oblong-obovate or obovate, 13-22 × 3-7 mm,
> abaxially gray puberulent or velutinous. Stamens 5-7, 18-40 mm;
> filament glabrous; anther 1.5-3 mm. Style glabrous, subglabrous,
> sparsely puberulent, or tomentose. Capsule yellowish brown, ovoid to
> obovoid, subglobose, or depressed globose, 4.5-5 × 3-7.5 cm, dotted
> but smooth; pericarp 1.5-2 mm thick after drying. Seed usually 1,
> brown, globose, subglobose, or depressed globose, 3-7 cm in diam.;
> hilum white, occupying ca. 1/2 (rarely ca. 1/3) of seed. Fl.
> (Jan-)Feb-May, fr. Jun-Nov.
>
> Aesculus indica from Flora of British India
>
> Leaflets usually 7 acuminate delicately serrate submembraneous
> distinctly petioluled, panicles oblong nearly equalling or exceeding
> the leaves, flowers secund.
>
> Further: A fine tree of 60-70 feet in height and 10-15 inch in girt,
> with glabrous terete branches. Leaves glabrous; leaflets unequal, the
> terminal one 5-9 by 1.5 - 3 inch, the lateral ones smalled; common
> petiole 3-6 inch, thickened at the base, sulcate above; petiolules
> ranging to 5/6 inch. Calyx tubular, 1/3 inch long, frequently
> splitting as the flowers open; lobes short, rounded. Petals 4, white
> with red and yellow, the place of the fifth vacant. Capsule ovoid or
> subpyriform, reddish-brown, without spines, rather rough, 1-2 inch,
> long. Seed dark. The interior of the seeds es eater in Himalayas
> according to Dr. ROyle, in time of famine, cattle habitually eat them.
> The dark peels off in long strips; the wood is light coloured and
> easily worked. The fruit is officinal, being applies externally for
> rheumatism. The leaves are lopped for winter fodder in the Himalaya.
>
> Found this from WIKIPEDIA for Aesculus hippocastanum, may be
> applicable to other species too, but cant be sure:
> The nuts, especially those that are young and fresh, are slightly
> poisonous, containing alkaloid saponins and glucosides. Although not
> dangerous to touch, they cause sickness when eaten. Some mammals,
> notably deer, are able to break down the toxins and eat them safely.
> They are reputed to be good for horses with wind, but this is unproven
> and feeding them to horses is not advisable. The saponin aescin (a
> complex mixture of triterpene glycosides), however, has been used for
> health purposes (such as varicose veins, edema, sprains) and is
> available in food supplements, as is the coumarin glucoside aesculin.
>
> Regards
> Pankaj