Chamba High.. al170811a

[Alok Mahendroo]

Dear friends,
This one reminds me of the Senecio family.. am I on the right track...

Location Chamba
Altitude 3500 mts
Habit herb
Habitat wild
Plant height 20 inches approx

regards
Alok
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Himalayan Village Education Trust
Village Khudgot,
P.O. Dalhousie
District Chamba
H.P. 176304, India

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[Alok]

Is it Jacobaea raphanifolia but the leaves looked like Senecio
graciliflorus...
Alok

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Alok ji

This species is not reported from Western Himalayas. 

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[Alok Mahendroo]

Sir,
You know much more than anyone I know.. about this.. but then what could
it be... and is it Senecio sp. in the first place.. or I am deluded ....
regards
Alok

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Alok ji

It is a species of Senecio for sure. Even a few species now placed under Jacobaea (incl. J. raphanifolia) were formerly placed under Senecio. The above plant from head size and leaves may perhaps be Senecio jacquemontianus, but this needs to be confirmed.

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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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[Alok Mahendroo]

Sir,
Begging your pardon... This seems very different from what I thought to be Senecio
jacquemontianus.... attaching that file too..
regards
Alok

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Alok ji

You may be right about your this plant being S. jacquemontianus. Your first plant has to be explored further.

.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Balkar Arya]

all wild Guess !!!

You pics no 080511_1118.jpg may also be cremanthodium arnicoides

Firstly posted may be Senecio chrysanthemoides

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Regards

Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Balkar ji

The first plant is closer to S. chrysanthemoides which shows a lot of variation. I have also photographed similar plant from Gulmarg, which I initially (but wrongly) thought S. jacquemontianus, but thanks to Alok ji. I have still to fix it, refraining to call it S. chrysanthemoides because heads are about 2.5 cm across, whereas they are scarcely exceeding 1.5 cm in S. chrysanthemoides

The second plant clearly belongs to Ligularia section of former Senecio. I can;t count more than 8-10 ligules, so it can't be S. arnicoides (now Cremanthodium arnicoides) which has larger heads (often 6 cm across) and 15-30 ligules. Closest is S. jacquemontianus which has 12-15 ligules.

In this genus and other side close up is very important, because involucre bracts number is crucial in species identification.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Balkar Arya]

Thanks Gurcharan Ji

For throwing light on the matter

[Alok]

Thank you Balkar ji and Gurcharan ji for enlightening me.. and sir, I
definitely hope that I'd remember to photograph the side profile too
next time.. I did try to enlarge the side view from my pic but... :
( it was not too clear..
regards
ALok

On Aug 20, 7:42 pm, Balkar Arya <balkara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Gurcharan Ji
> For throwing light on the matter
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Balkar ji
> > The first plant is closer to S. chrysanthemoides which shows a lot of
> > variation. I have also photographed similar plant from Gulmarg, which I
> > initially (but wrongly) thought S. jacquemontianus, but thanks to Alok ji. I
> > have still to fix it, refraining to call it S. chrysanthemoides because
> > heads are about 2.5 cm across, whereas they are scarcely exceeding 1.5 cm in
> > S. chrysanthemoides
>
> > The second plant clearly belongs to Ligularia section of former Senecio. I
> > can;t count more than 8-10 ligules, so it can't be S. arnicoides (now
> > Cremanthodium arnicoides) which has larger heads (often 6 cm across) and
> > 15-30 ligules. Closest is S. jacquemontianus which has 12-15 ligules.
>
> > In this genus and other side close up is very important, because involucre
> > bracts number is crucial in species identification.
>
> > --
> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> > Retired  Associate Professor
> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Balkar Arya <balkara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> all wild Guess !!!

> >> You pics no *080511_1118.jpg may also be cremanthodium arnicoides*
> >> *Firstly posted may be Senecio chrysanthemoides
> >> *

>
> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Yes Alok ji
> >>> You may be right about your this plant being S. jacquemontianus. Your
> >>> first plant has to be explored further.
>
> >>> .
>
> >>> --
>
> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >>> Retired  Associate Professor
> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >>> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

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