moha and south moha

[Mohina Macker]

madhuca longifolia v latifolia or moha with wider, thicker leaves which are pink when new.

and

madhuca longifolia v longifolia or south moha with narrower leaves which are redder when new.

regards

mohina macker

[Dr Pankaj Kumar]

Thanks for sharing. Since long I wanted to see these. What about
Madhuca indica?
Pankaj

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[Neil Soares]

Hi Dr. Pankaj,  Maduca indica is now called Maduca longifolia var. latifolia.                    Regards,                     Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Pankaj Kumar]

Thanks a lot sir, now I know.

Regards

Pankaj

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[H S]

Madhuca indica is accepted name and M. longifolia var. latifolia is synonym..
The foto above mentioned is of Madhuca indica and M. longifolia (Long leaf)




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[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear H S

Pl. indicate the reference to support your conclusion

My information from all recent floras and two major databases GRIN & Kew Plant List support Neil ji's conclusion

Madhuca indica J.F.Gmel. is a synonym of Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia (Roxb.)

 A.Chev.

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[H S]

Sir ji
Madhuca indica Gmelin in 1791
Bassia latifolia Roxb. 1795
even if someone will change the rank.. it should go under var. indica not latifolia

regards...

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear H. S.

A simple rule of ICBN

Principle of Priority is not applicable at different ranks.

The said plant is considered as variety of M. longifolia and as such earliest trinomial at varietal level is M. longifolia var. latifolia (Roxb.) A. Chev., 1943. At least no varietal combination under M. longifolia was available up to 1943, based on M. indica Gmelin

I hope I have been able to present true picture.

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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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[Pankaj Kumar]

Madhuca longifolia (J.Koenig) Macbr. var latifolia (Roxb.) Chevalier (1943)

Basionym: Bassia latifolia Roxb. (1795)

Other synonyms:
Madhuca latifolia (Roxb.) Macbr. (1918)
Madhuca indica J.F.Gmelin (1791)

Dr. Gurcharan is right when he says, "Principle of Priority is not
applicable at different ranks". This goes in accordance with the
Chapter II, Section 3, Article 11.2 of Vienna Code, which states, "In
no case does a name have priority outside the rank in which it is
published". Even they provide two examples:

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Ex. 2. Magnolia virginiana var. foetida L. (1753) when raised to
specific rank is called M. grandiflora L. (1759), not M. foetida (L.)
Sarg. (1889).
Ex. 3. Lythrum intermedium Ledeb. (1822) when treated as a variety of
L. salicaria L. (1753) is called L. salicaria var. glabrum Ledeb. (Fl.
Ross. 2: 127. 1843), not L. salicaria var. intermedium (Ledeb.) Koehne
(in Bot. Jahrb. Syst. 1: 327. 1881).
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There are some confusions on Kew's checklist as they show both M.
longifolia var. longifolia and M. longifolia but they are accompanied
with different synonyms. May be I should write to R. Govaerts about
it.

Thank you Gurcharan sir for digging into this simple yes complicated
nomenclature. I think we can start our homework on this issue to
gather more information to share with members.

Pankaj

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear H. S.
> A simple rule of ICBN
> Principle of Priority is not applicable at different ranks.
> The said plant is considered as variety of M. longifolia and as such
> earliest trinomial at varietal level is M. longifolia var. latifolia (Roxb.)
> A. Chev., 1943. At least no varietal combination under M. longifolia was
> available up to 1943, based on M. indica Gmelin
> I hope I have been able to present true picture.
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:14 PM, H S <hems...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sir ji
>> Madhuca indica Gmelin in 1791
>> Bassia latifolia Roxb. 1795
>> even if someone will change the rank.. it should go under var. indica not
>> latifolia
>>
>> regards...
>>
>>  - H.S.
>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
>> stone
>>
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Dr. Pankaj,  I had already written to the KEW List on a few matters where things are so clear yet they have written basionym as synonym of one and the combination based on this basionym as unresolved or synonym of some other name. I hope things will get sorted soon.

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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:14 PM, H S <hemsan.bh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sir ji
>> Madhuca indica Gmelin in 1791
>> Bassia latifolia Roxb. 1795
>> even if someone will change the rank.. it should go under var. indica not
>> latifolia
>>
>> regards...
>>
>>  - H.S.
>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
>> stone
>>
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