Cassia with pinkish-orange flowers Is it Cassia roxburghii ? UD 8212011 001

[ushadi Micromini]

Dear All:
For last a couple of years when in town once in awhile I have seen these strange arrangement of the flowers ... see figure 1 and 2.
The tree is in public space, at GolPark , Kolkata, where Vivekanand's statue is... its a traffic circle with many many buses, taxis, cars trucks, auto rickshaws galore... all honking and spewing out grey, black or white smoke... and high decibel  sounds... This tree seems to be thriving..

Date/Time- August 15th 2011

Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-  Sea level or may be a bit below... Ganges plain

Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Garden , Urban, in heavily polluted air

Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb-   Tree

Height/Length- approximately 15 to 18 feet

Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- pinnate, about 1.5 inches long, fine hair

Inflorescence Type/ Size-  Unique,  Panicle growing from central vein outwards..see photos

Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- across approximately 1.5 inches

Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-  not seen yet

Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- do not know yet

I think this may be Cassia Roxburghii....

need confirmation please....

If my interpretation is wrong ... what is its ID?

Thanks

Usha di

[Mahadeswara]

What an excellent presentation, depicting all details. I envy you.

On Aug 21, 7:07 pm, ushadi Micromini <microminipho...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>  Cassia to ID 1 in its Urbal Jungle DSC04268 Small crop name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 2 Leaf pattern DSC04233 Small Crop name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 3 Inflorescence DSC04253 small name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 4 DSC04249 small name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 5 fallen flower DSC04241 small crop name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 6 a FLower CLose up DSC04239 small crop name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 6b Back of flower DSC04245 small crop Name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 7 Leaf back CLOSE UP HAIRS DSC04259 sm crop nm.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 8 Leaf front Hair and Vein Patternh DSC04260 small crop name.jpg
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>  Cassia to ID 9 Leaf flower size Moss and Lichen DSC04256 sm crop nm.jpg
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[Yazdy Palia]

Beautiful pictures Ushadi, Ji,
Beautiful and so clear. You have taken pains.
Thank you.
Regards
Yazdy.

[ushadi Micromini]

Thank you Yadzy ji, But is it Cassia roxburghii?

is the question....
Ush adi

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[Yazdy Palia]

Ushadi Ji, Am a novice and as such can not be very sure but I think
this is not Cassia roxbughii, but Pink Cassia
http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Red%20Cassia.html
I am however not very sure.
Regards
Yazdy.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:22 PM, ushadi Micromini

[Ushadi micromini]

Yadzy ji: thank you...
flowers of India is what I check first now a days...
but that slide's structure of the inflorescence is different that
what is here...

could you please check these...
1): .http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackdiamondimages/3521753738/in/
photostream/
2): http://www.fairchildgarden.org/livingcollections/whatsblooming2/october/

1 is from a guy in australia, 2 is from Fairchild garden which is
Univ Miami florida Bot garden..

@@@ and calling senior botanists in eflora...please... advise

Usha di
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On Aug 22, 11:18 pm, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ushadi Ji, Am  a novice and as such can not be very sure but I think

> this is not Cassia roxbughii, but Pink Cassiahttp://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Red%20Cassia.html

> I am however not very sure.
> Regards
> Yazdy.
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:22 PM, ushadi Micromini
>

> <microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Yadzy ji, But is it Cassia roxburghii?
>
> > is the question....
> > Ush adi
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[Yazdy Palia]

Thank you Ushadi ji, I have my limitations Ushadi ji and let us leave
it to some of our experts.
Regards.
Yazdy.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

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[vidyadhar ogale]

15/11/11

Quite likely the ID as C.roxburghii is correct. One grown up tree is at Hansoti Lane, Ghatkopar (W) planted by Dr.Hansoti himself.

Ogale

[ushadi Micromini]

Thank you, Vidyadhar ji...

MAY I ASK YOU TO COMMENT PLEASE ON MY PICTURE NUMBER 1 and 4 ...
if you click on them a larger copy will show you what I am asking about....

please tell me if your tree has this peculiar way the flowers arise as if out of the spine/vertebral column of a person lying face down .. and the drooping leaves are the persons ribs and arms...
its the only analogy I can think of...
and I dont see it described the way I see it ...


that's my problem..  with this diagnosis...


also the flowers not exactly pink...
they are peachy-orangish- pink with reddish mixed in ... what does that make ???

Usha di
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[ushadi Micromini]

Oh, forgot to ask...

do you by the way have a picture of it?

usha di
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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:46 PM, vidyadhar ogale <oga...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Gurcharan Singh]

I think it should be C. roxburghii only

The other three species with similar flowers all have filaments swollen in the middle.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[ushadi Micromini]

Gurucharanji:
Ok..


and flower spike growing out of the "vertebral column" type  arrangement... ????

is it described?

where ?
Usha di
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[ushadi Micromini]

Gurcharani...
I finally found something that looks likw this..

at floridata site...http://www.floridata.com/ref/c/cass_rox.cfm

now what I want is a key for flowering pink..red cassia...

[ushadi Micromini]

I meant this message for Gurcharanji, by mistake went to only Mr. Ogale a minute ago..
so I'll try it again:

:Grucharanji:
I forgot to ask...
what other three cassias have similar flowers ( that have miiddle of the filaments swollen)?? 
If I remember you perhaps had even given a key , but dont recall the binomials of these three.
If its not much trouble...

Thanks
Usha di

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Ushadi, Here it is

1a. Ovary glabrous, leaflets oblong, densely velvety, tip mucronate; leafy 

      bracts at base of each flower; stipules large leafy..................................Cassia renigera

1b. Ovary hairy............................................................................................(2)

2a. Stipules 5 mm long, linear, not leafy, leaflets acute, glabrous beneath;

      petals pink, fading to yellow-pink or white.............................................Cassia nodosa

2b. Stipules 12-15 mm long, leafy, lealets usually obtuse, silky beneath

     ; petals pink, turning dark red, fading to white........................................Cassia javanica

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[ushadi Micromini]

OH, yes that's where I saw your  description perhaps..
we had some thread about the cassia javanica during the last few months...

thank you
Usha di
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[Ushadi]

Update Nov 11th 2015

almost to the 4 year to the mark
another thread by tsk prompted me to look this up
and found that theold  link to floridata was not working
link is now this in 2015

usha di