Agrimonia eupatoria supsp. asiatica from Chakrata

[Gurcharan Singh]

Agrimonia eupatoria Linnaeus subsp. asiatica (Juzepczuk) Skalický, Feddes Repert. 79: 35. 1968.

Perennial herb with horizontal rhizome, glandular hairy; leaves uninterruptedly imparipinnate with 3-5 leaflets, margin crenate; flowers 11-13 mm across in spike-like terminal racemes, yellow; fruit 8-10 mm across with spreading prickles, outer most prickles recurved.

European and American var. eupatoria is distinct in erect rootstock, being less hairy and less deeply grooved calyx

Another Himalayan species A. pilosa is distinct in smaller flowers (7-9 mm across), fruit 7-8 mm with rickles initially erect later becoming connivent.

Photographed  

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

[Balkar Arya]

Thanks Sir I am also uploading mines. You are also there in these pics with this plant

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Regards

Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
09416262964

[Gurcharan Singh]

Tabish ji 

Pl include photograph of fruit from Balkar ji's set. It is diagnostic character for this species

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Ushadi micromini]

good for gout...
usha di
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On Sep 29, 8:21 am, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tabish ji
> Pl include photograph of fruit from Balkar ji's set. It is diagnostic
> character for this species
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> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

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> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Balkar Arya <balkara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Sir I am also uploading mines. You are also there in these pics with
> > this plant
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> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> >> *Agrimonia* *eupatoria* Linnaeus *subsp.* *asiatica* (Juzepczuk)

[Balkar Arya]

Ushadi Ji Will you pls through more light on its uses in Gout

[ushadi Micromini]

Balkar ji:
yes ...
In olden times.. in western herbal uses ...oil was made with all parts of the plants or leaves and roots... used externally.. on affected joints... toes?

for Internal use....and a tea was made of leaves... usually a handful (is what they said in class) ( I find a tea bag contains about 1gm of dry herb, any herb, usually translates to 5 grams of fresh, if succulent about 10 grams)

I personally think Agrimony reduces edema and so helps in gout related swelling...

Modern herbalists prescribe it for many different things for which I dont have any confidence.. they use it for upset stomach??? why??? no one can tell...
and as gargle... that I can understand... it reduces inflammation....

ONE CAVEAT...
ANY HERB(S) that one uses... use it for five days, lay off for two days...
continue upto five weeks if needed, and lay off for two weeks...

this is a caution every one must follow...
If people have gout... they must lay off many things in diets... local GP can help make a diet plan based on the patient's dietary habits which are soooo very different in different part of India...

DID this answer your question???
Usha di

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[Balkar Arya]

Thanks a lot Ushadi Ji for usefull information

[Satish Phadke]

Another good one from your Chakrata collection.Family :Rosaceae.
Liked the information from Usha di too

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Dr Satish Phadke

[Tabish]

Dear Gurcharan ji,
I think this plant is Agrimoni pilosa, for the following reasons.
1. The size of the Agrimonia pilosa flower is supposed to be
approximately 5-9 mm. From the Balkar ji's image Agrimonia-eupatoria
(5), I estimate the size of the flower to be around that. I assume
that an average thumb is 2 cm across and an average index finger is
1.5 cm across.
2. According to Polunin & Stainton, A. pilosa is distinguished by its
top-shaped fruit with numerous hooked spines. Balkar ji's fruit
pictures seem to agree with this description.
Moreover, I doubt that A. eupatoria subsp. asiatica is distributed in
this region.
Will wait for your feedback,
Best wishes
- Tabish
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Tabish ji

The flower size created doubt in my mind also, but the fruit in Balkar ji's photographs led me to think about A. eupatoria. In A. pilosa the spines on fruit are erect when young, connivent when old. In A. eupatoria they are spreading, outermost recurved

http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=100836

The fruit in Alok ji's photograph very much resemles that of Balkar ji, Most plants of Kalatope are covered in Flora Simlensis, which does not describe A. pilosa.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=0e7cd71b6a&view=att&th=132b096e896130d0&attid=0.2&disp=inline&zw 

The two species are very close. It would be best to wait till my next visit to Kashmir in 2012, where I may be able to find and photograph A. aupatoria, because A. pilosa does not grow in Kashmir.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[J.M. Garg]

Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Garg ji