ID request-050610-PKA1

[Prashant awale]

Dear Friends,
Kindly help me in ID..

Date/Time: 05-06-2010/07:40AM
Location: Mumbai
Habitat: Wild
Plant Habit: Climber
(Photographs of Leaves, Stem and Fruit enclosed).
Flowers could not be seen
Fruits are globuse, 1.5cm (Approx) dia, red coloured.

regards
Prashant

[Satish Chile]

Capparis sp. ?

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[Neil Soares]

Hi Prashant,   They are the fruit of Tinospora malabarica. Sending some of my photographs.                       Regards,                         Neil. --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Satish Chile <chile...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Gurcharan Singh]

neil ji

You have unearthed an important species I was looking for a long time. The species seemed to be be badly confused in eFlora of Pakistan, and also not properly understood in eFlora of China. pubescent nature of leaves is clearly seen as also the larger size.  We already have T. cordifolia in our database. It would be an asset to have both species in our database. Sooner it goes to flowersofindia website also, the better.

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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

[Gurcharan Singh]

Prashant ji

Thanks for sharing this plant.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Neil Soares]

Hi Prof. Singh,    We have had a previous discussion on this plant. [You seem to have forgotten]. My photogrphs are already in the archives of this site. Anyway, am resending them.                       Regards,                         Neil Soares.   --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Neil Soares]

Sorry. The photographs.                  N. --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Rohit Patel]

Can you all guide me how could i will make differ Tinospora cordifolia fro T. Malabarica ??????????/


please guide me

regards

Rohit

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[Prashant awale]

Thanks Neil ji, Gurcharan Singh ji for the ID.
Thanks Neil ji for sharing your set of  photographs of this sp.
 Here is a link i found for this sp..

http://envis.frlht.org.in/tsinensis.htm

regards
Prashant

[tanay bose]

Really good collection of photos I was also bit confused with the two species not clear to me
Tanay

Tanay Bose
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[R. Vijayasankar]

Yes, it is Tinospora sinensis (= T. malabarica). Nice pictures!

We have published an article in Indian Forester on its distribution in Tamil nadu.

Its a Red Listed plant too.

With regards

R. Vijayasankar

[Gurcharan Singh]

Rohit ji

Here are some differences

T. cordifolia                                                                 T. sinensis (T. malabarica)

Shoots glabrous                                                          Shoots pubescent

Leaves glabrous                                                          Leaves pubescent above, tomentose beneath

Leaves 3-7 cm                                                            Leaves 10-15 cm long

Drupes red, 8 mm across                                            Drupes crimson, 1.2 cm across  

Endocarp smooth                                                       Endocarp tubercled

What had caused confusion in my mind was eFlora of Pakistan which considers T. cordifolia auct. (particularly Hook.f. & Thoms, i.e. Flora of British India) to be T. malabarica,silently ignoring the features of T. malabarica. Flora of China considers T. malabarica to be synonym of T. chinensis and clearly mentions pubescent branches and leaves, larger leaves (7-14 cm x 5-13), semiovoid drupes (longer than broad) with tubercles.

After going though eFlora of Pakistan I have been watching my specimens in Delhi which belong to T. cordifolia, and never found any trace of pubescence. I also noted an interesting thing. The Specimens in Delhi, which grow in in natural Ridge forest have smaller leaves never more than 8 cm or so and do produce flowers and fruits, whereas the specimens in city on fences and trees may have leaves up to 15 cm or even more, and it is difficult to find flowers and fruits on them. I had uploaded my photographs some time back. I am attaching them again here for comparison.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Here are some more of T. cordifolia from Delhi, male and female flowers.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Prashant awale]

Thanks Vijayasankar ji for validating ID.
regards
Prashant

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 8:28 AM, R. Vijayasankar <vijay.b...@gmail.com> wrote: