[efloraofindia:32588] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina variegata L.

[rashida atthar]

The flowering and fruitng of Erythrina indica seen today at the South end of the national park in Mumbai. One amusing thing I find is the touch of silk cotton blown from the abundance of  the silk cotton pods in this month on  almost all trees around it's  vicinity. Here too it can be seennear the pods.   
 
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Rashida ji

The inflorescence suggests E. suberosa

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[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Agree with Prof. Singh. Also in E.variegata the pods should be long, round, beaded with a constriction between the seeds.                       With regards,                         Neil Soares. --- On Sun, 4/18/10, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

[tanay bose]

Dear ALL,

Providing the description of Erythrina suberosa from "E-flora of Pakistan" for further references of its taxonomical characters.

Erythrina suberosa Roxb., Fl.Ind. 3:253. 1832. Baker in Hook.f., Fl. Brit.Ind. 2:189. 1876; Cooke, Fl. Bomb. Pres. (reprint ed.) 1:392.1958; Parker, For.Fl.Punj. 3rd.ed. 158.1956.

Erect tree, 13-17 in tall, branches armed with prickles. 3-6 mm long, which fall off after the third year. Leaf sometimes armed, trifoliolate, petiole 10-20 cm long, leaflets 7.5-15 cm long and broad, the terminal rhomboid ovate, the lateral obliquely deltoid, glabrous above, densely pubescent below; stipels glanduliform; stipules linear-lanceolate, caducous. Racemes 14, near the tip of branches, 5-10 cm long, peduncle short. Flowers in fascicles of 1-3. Pedicel 12-13 mm long; bracts caducous, bracteoles minute. Calyx 6-10 mm long, pubescent, becoming bilabiate. Corolla scarlet. Vexillum 3.7-5.0 cm long, 12-16 mm broad. Fruit stipitate, 12.5-15.0 cm long, torulose, 2-5-seeded.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Erythrina stricta var. suberosa is commonly known as: Indian coral tree, tiger claw • Bengali: রক্তমন্দার raktamandar • Hindi: ढोलधाक dhol-dhak, मन्दार mandara, पांगरा pangra • Kannada: halivana, keechige, mandara • Konkani: पांगार paangaar • Malayalam: ആണ്മുരിക്ക് aanmurikk, മുളളുമുരിക്ക് mulalumurikk, വെണ്മുരിക്ക് venamurikk • Marathi: पांगारा pangara • Sanskrit: मन्दार mandara, पारिभद्र paribhadra • Tamil: கிஞ்சுகம் kincukam, முண்முருக்கு munmurukku, முருக்கு மரம் murukku maram • Telugu: బలభద్రిక balabhadrika


It is far more common that this coral tree is presented with the scientific name Erythrina suberosa online, but its taxonomic status was changed in 1992 to being recognized as only a variety of Erythrina stricta. It is native to southeast and south Asia. ... http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/potd/2007/06/erythrina_suberosa.php

NPGS / GRIN ... http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?317849


Regards.

[tanay bose]

Hey Dinesh ji,

You are using my University's Botanical garden reference !!!!! ha ha ha

http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/potd/2007/06/erythrina_suberosa.php
 This is the offical website for Uviversity of British Bolumbia (UBC) Vancouver Canada , this botanic garden is a large one situated inside our Vancouver campus. I want a royalty charge from you in form of a chocolate he he he he

tanay

[Dinesh Valke]

Yes dear Tanay ... you see I am as selfish as you ... wanted to show off my photo of E. strica var suberosa put in your university's botanical garden website !!

[tanay bose]

Dear Dinesh ji,

Why did you tag me as a selfish ? what Selfishness did I do !!!!! Anyways your photo is great!!

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[Dinesh Valke]

.... that was humour, dear Tanay !!! not rumour !!!
Will keep one big chocolate reserved for you !!
Regards.

[tanay bose]

Yummy thank you very much !!! I will send you good photos of the plant from botanic garden and also Nitobe memorial grden (japanese garden) once i go there ......the garden is just awosome I couldnot imagine a Univ can have such a big garden personally ..

tanay

[rashida atthar]

Thank a lot Dr Gurcharanji, Dr.Neil, Dinesh ji and Tanay ji for the correct ID. Apologies for my mistake.
 
regards,
Rashida. 

 

 

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:08:55 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32610] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina variegata L.
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[Neil Soares]

Hi Dinesh,  According to Dr.Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra' - E.variegata [E.indica], E.suberosa and E.stricta are all distinct. Have all 3 on my property but only E.suberosa is flowering now. Sending you a few photographs of E.suberosa [and photographs of the barks of E.stricta and E.variegata in separate mails].                        Regards,                          Neil.  --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Neil ji for the clarification.
Surprising to see no spines on the branches carrying the flowers of E. suberosa.
Eager to see E. stricta flowering and know the difference ... perhaps that would show spines.

Regards.

[Neil Soares]

Hi Dinesh,   Spines are seen at the top of really tall trees.Sending you a few photographs.                       Regards,                         Neil.

[Dinesh Valke]

Yes indeed Neil ji ... my eagerness remains to see a view of E. stricta flowering ... to know whether the two species are easily distinguishable.
Regards.

[Pardeshi S.]

Hello all and Dinesh ji
E. stricta can be observed in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, very common
near the old remain of NITCo Company (i dnt know exact name).
where as E. suberosa can be observed at Veermata Jijabai Bhonsale
udyan , just opposite lane to the main office. also one at Goregaon
east station road, opposite Pritam hotel.

Regards
Satish Pardeshi


On Apr 20, 2:09 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes indeed Neil ji ... my eagerness remains to see a view of *E.
> stricta*flowering ... to know whether the two species are easily

> distinguishable.
> Regards.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi Dinesh,
> >   Spines are seen at the top of really tall trees.Sending you a few
> > photographs.
> >                       Regards,
> >                         Neil.
>

> > --- On *Tue, 4/20/10, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>* wrote:

>
> > From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32610] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina
> > variegata L.
> > To: "Neil Soares" <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "tanay bose" <tanaybos...@gmail.com>, "rashida atthar" <
> > rashidaatt...@hotmail.com>, "Gurcharan Singh" <singh...@gmail.com>,
> > indian...@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 1:31 PM
>
> > Many thanks Neil ji for the clarification.

> > Surprising to see no spines on the branches carrying the flowers of *E.
> > suberosa*.
> > Eager to see *E. stricta* flowering and know the difference ... perhaps

> > that would show spines.
>
> > Regards.
>

> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>

> > > wrote:
>
> >>   Hi Dinesh,
> >>  According to Dr.Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra' - E.variegata
> >> [E.indica], E.suberosa and E.stricta are all distinct. Have all 3 on my
> >> property but only E.suberosa is flowering now. Sending you a few photographs
> >> of E.suberosa [and photographs of the barks of E.stricta and E.variegata in
> >> separate mails].
> >>                        Regards,
> >>                          Neil.
>

> >> --- On *Mon, 4/19/10, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
> >> >* wrote:

>
> >> From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com>>
>
> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32610] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina
> >> variegata L.

> >> To: "tanay bose" <tanaybos...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tanaybos...@gmail.com>
>
> >> Cc: "Neil Soares" <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>>,
> >> "rashida atthar" <rashidaatt...@hotmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rashidaatt...@hotmail.com>>,
> >> "Gurcharan Singh" <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>>,
> >> indian...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegrou...>

> >> Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 9:08 AM
>

> >> *Erythrina stricta* var. *suberosa* is commonly known as: Indian coral

> >> tree, tiger claw • Bengali: রক্তমন্দার raktamandar • Hindi: ढोलधाक
> >> dhol-dhak, मन्दार mandara, पांगरा pangra • Kannada: halivana, keechige,
> >> mandara • Konkani: पांगार paangaar • Malayalam: ആണ്മുരിക്ക് aanmurikk,
> >> മുളളുമുരിക്ക് mulalumurikk, വെണ്മുരിക്ക് venamurikk • Marathi: पांगारा
> >> pangara • Sanskrit: मन्दार mandara, पारिभद्र paribhadra • Tamil: கிஞ்சுகம்
> >> kincukam, முண்முருக்கு munmurukku, முருக்கு மரம் murukku maram • Telugu:
> >> బలభద్రిక balabhadrika
>
> >> It is far more common that this coral tree is presented with the
> >> scientific name Erythrina suberosa online, but its taxonomic status was

> >> changed in 1992 to being recognized as only a variety of *Erythrina
> >> stricta*. It is native to southeast and south Asia. ...
> >>http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/potd/2007/06/erythrina_suberosa.php
>
> >> NPGS / GRIN ...http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?317849
>
> >> Regards.
>
> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:18 AM, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tanaybos...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Dear ALL,
> >>> Providing the description of *Erythrina suberosa* from "E-flora of

> >>> Pakistan" for further references of its taxonomical characters.
>

> >>> *Erythrina suberosa* Roxb., Fl.Ind. 3:253. 1832. Baker in Hook.f., Fl.

> >>> Brit.Ind. 2:189. 1876; Cooke, Fl. Bomb. Pres. (reprint ed.) 1:392.1958;
> >>> Parker, For.Fl.Punj. 3rd.ed. 158.1956.
> >>>   Erect tree, 13-17 in tall, branches armed with prickles. 3-6 mm long,
> >>> which fall off after the third year. Leaf sometimes armed, trifoliolate,
> >>> petiole 10-20 cm long, leaflets 7.5-15 cm long and broad, the terminal
> >>> rhomboid ovate, the lateral obliquely deltoid, glabrous above, densely
> >>> pubescent below; stipels glanduliform; stipules linear-lanceolate, caducous.
> >>> Racemes 14, near the tip of branches, 5-10 cm long, peduncle short. Flowers
> >>> in fascicles of 1-3. Pedicel 12-13 mm long; bracts caducous, bracteoles
> >>> minute. Calyx 6-10 mm long, pubescent, becoming bilabiate. Corolla scarlet.
> >>> Vexillum 3.7-5.0 cm long, 12-16 mm broad. Fruit stipitate, 12.5-15.0 cm
> >>> long, torulose, 2-5-seeded.
> >>> Regards
> >>> Tanay

> >>>   On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>

> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>   Hi,
> >>>>  Agree with Prof. Singh. Also in E.variegata the pods should be long,
> >>>> round, beaded with a constriction between the seeds.
> >>>>                       With regards,
> >>>>                         Neil Soares.
>

> >>>> --- On *Sun, 4/18/10, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >* wrote:

>
> >>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32594] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina
> >>>> variegata L.

> >>>> To: "rashida atthar" <rashidaatt...@hotmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rashidaatt...@hotmail.com>
>
> >>>> Cc: indian...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegrou...>

> >>>> Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 9:53 PM
>
> >>>> Rashida ji
> >>>> The inflorescence suggests E. suberosa
>
> >>>> --
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> >>>> Retired  Associate Professor
> >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >>>> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

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>
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:12 PM, rashida atthar <

> >>>> rashidaatt...@hotmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rashidaatt...@hotmail.com>

> >>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>> The flowering and fruitng of Erythrina indica seen today at the South
> >>>>> end of the national park in Mumbai. One amusing thing I find is the touch of
> >>>>> silk cotton blown from the abundance of  the silk cotton pods in this month
> >>>>> on  almost all trees around it's  vicinity. Here too it can be seennear the
> >>>>> pods.
>
> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>> Rashida.
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On Sunday, 18 April 2010 21:12:54 UTC+5:30, rashida atthar wrote:

The flowering and fruitng of Erythrina indica seen today at the South end of the national park in Mumbai. One amusing thing I find is the touch of silk cotton blown from the abundance of  the silk cotton pods in this month on  almost all trees around it's  vicinity. Here too it can be seennear the pods.   
 
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Taking it as Erythrina stricta Roxb. due to glabrous pods & bark not being grooved as per discussions in another thread.

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These images by Neil ji may be as Erythrina stricta Roxb. due to glabrous pods although images are not clear.

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Pods in the attached images appear to be non- glabrous & should be of Erythrina suberosa Roxb. as per discussions in another thread

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Radha ji.

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From: radha veach <radha...@gmail.com>
Date: 19 May 2017 at 17:03
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:269177] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina variegata L.
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Agree with you on this one. It is not E. indica.

regards

Radha

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Radha ji.

These were all posted in the same thread.

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Date: 19 May 2017 at 17:12
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32740] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina variegata L.
To: JM Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

I agree with this one as well although all the posts have come into one email in my Inbox!  Referring to the one with corky bark.

regards

Radha

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Radha ji.

But to me pods in this set of six images appear to be glabrous, although images are not clear.

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From: radha veach <radha...@gmail.com>
Date: 19 May 2017 at 17:18
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32740] Erythrina indica Lamk. syn. Erythrina variegata L.

To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

OK, the one with the Rufous tree pie seems to be E. suberosa as Neil suggests. There are few spines on the branches.

regards

Radha