Pterocarpus acerifolium

[Anantanarayan Rajaram]

I am attaching a few pics of Pterocarpus acerifolium which I took at the Amrita University campus near Coimbatore last month in July. Searching the efloraofindia group, there does not seem to be any previous mention of this species.Thanks and regards Rajaram

[Neil Soares]

Hi,  There seems to be a mistake. It should be Pterospermum acerofolium [Kanak Champa, Muchkund]. Will send my photographs of this later.                 Regards,                   Neil Soares. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Anantanarayan Rajaram <rajara...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Neil Soares]

Hi,   My photographs of Pterospermum acerofolium.                       Regards,                        Neil Soares. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Smilax004]

I too think that this is Pterospermum acerifolium of Sterculiaceae
family. Not Pterocarpus, for sure.

Regards,
Giby

On Aug 5, 11:23 am, Anantanarayan Rajaram <rajaram_an...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I am attaching a few pics of Pterocarpus acerifolium which I took at the Amrita University campus near Coimbatore last month in July. Searching the efloraofindia group, there does not seem to be any previous mention of this species.Thanks and regards
> Rajaram
>

>  Pt.acerifolium a.jpg
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>  Pt.acerifolium b.jpg
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>  Pt.acerifolium mat.pod.jpg
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>  Pt.acerifolium mat.bark.jpg
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[Balkar Arya]

Pterospermum acerifolium yes    kanakchampa

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Regards

Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
09416262964

[Ushadi micromini]

Yes, Kanakchampa... Pterospermum acerifolium ...

used to be a popular street tree in Calcutta...
until very cheap Gulmohar nursery stock took over (which used to
sell for as low as ONE indian rupee per 3 foot nursery stock, if one
wanted it for street planting) ...!!!

Flowers from Mature trees fill the air with sweet smell for a couple
of weeks....
Usha di
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[Ushadi micromini]

Neil..... small point...
Muchakunda in Bengali and Hindi refers to * Pterospermum
suberifolim...*
(not * P. acerifolium* ...which is Kanak champa in most north indian
vernaculars)...

Usha di

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On Aug 5, 1:20 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>   My photographs of Pterospermum acerofolium.
>                       Regards,
>                        Neil Soares.
>

> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> From: Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:76104] Pterocarpus acerifolium
> To: indian...@googlegroups.com, "Anantanarayan Rajaram" <rajaram_an...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 1:32 PM
>
> Hi,
>  There seems to be a mistake. It should be Pterospermum acerofolium [Kanak Champa, Muchkund]. Will send my photographs of this later.
>                 Regards,
>                   Neil Soares.
>

> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Anantanarayan Rajaram <rajaram_an...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> From: Anantanarayan Rajaram <rajaram_an...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [efloraofindia:76092] Pterocarpus acerifolium
> To: indian...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:53 AM
>
> I am attaching a few pics of Pterocarpus acerifolium which I took at the Amrita University campus near Coimbatore last month in July. Searching the efloraofindia group, there does not seem to be any previous mention of this species.Thanks and regards
> Rajaram
>

>  Pterospermum acerfolium, Kanak Champa 1.jpg
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>  Pterospermum acerfolium, Kanak Champa 2.jpg
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[formp...@yahoo.com]

This is what I was trying to explain Sarkar ji in one of his Valmiki thread, that Muchkund and Kanakchapa are different. But as I don't remember the Sc. Name and no one else objected I kept quite.
Kanakchapa has golden colour thick sepals while Muchkund has white ones. Flowers of Kanakchampa are smaller while of Muchkund larger.
Madhuri
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[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Fair enough !  Am not good at local names, but Muchkund was the name on the sapling bought fom a Botanical garden in Pune. Also Muchkund is the name used by Mr.Ingalhalikar in his second volume of ' More Flowers of the Sayadris'.                        Regards,                         Neil Soares. --- On Sat, 8/6/11, Ushadi micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Ushadi micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> Subject: [efloraofindia:76205] Re: Pterocarpus acerifolium To: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 11:12 AM Neil..... small point... Muchakunda in Bengali and hindi refers to Pterospermum suberifolim... (not acerifolium)... Usha di ========

On Aug 5, 1:02 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi,

[ushadi Micromini]

Hello Neil,
Neither am I , I look up several classical texts and books...

 No problem. matter of fact ever since I started studying Ayurvedic medicine / herbs and learning binomial names and the reconciling them with the traditional and vernacular Indian names has been difficult... if not mind-boggling... often  there is a lot of duplication with opposite meaning sometimes...   to confuse the issue ... Kalidas named something different from the person who wrote Kadambari...or Ramayana and those concerned with Mahabharata  and those who wrote Shushrut and Charak texts originally all those thousands of years ago...

AND then multiply it with the tribal names... when you begin to study some ethnobotany....

Phew!!!  That's why a spread sheet with binomial and vernacular names gets soooooo  unweildy...

Usha di

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[ushadi Micromini]

Madhuirji:
yes you are right... about the colors...and the previous point, I seem to have missed the discussion...
and
No, you have the size of the flower mixed up...
the P. suberifolium flower is about 1.5 to 2.0 inches long, and its fruit/capsule id 2 to 3 inches long...
while....
P. acerifolium flower is about 5 inches long , the capsule is 5-6 inches long...

that's a quick way to differentiate...

We have several p. acerifolium trees in the streets of my neighbourhood and the Dhaukira lakes...
and have to go to the zoo to find the P. suberifolium...

next spring I will go deligently and take pictures of both ...  would be interesting...
Thanks
Usha di


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[formp...@yahoo.com]

Thank you Ushadi.
In Mumbai one of it is in Jijamata Udyan. Just on the left where drinking water taps are.
The other is planted on the road side from Kanjurmarg till a little further, on Estern express highway on right when we move from Thane to Mumbai. Previously even I was under impression that both of them are only one plant. But once in VJTI in annual flower show I coul see both seperate plants.
If not mistaken the size and shape of leaves too differ.

Madhuri

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