Tree for id 070610MK3

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear all,

Sorry for posting pictures without any floral details. 

Kindly help to id the tree species common on the river banks at an altitude of 500 - 900 msl. For me this resembles Grewia sp. Experts please guide. What this white tree would be?

Date/Time-	04-05-2010 / 02:00 PM
Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-	Mudumalai wls; 700 msl
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Typ	riparian and also on closer deciduous forests
Plant Habit-	tree with whitish bark
Height/Length-	ca. 5 m
Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-	10 x 4cm; oblique at base
Inflorescence Type/ Size-
Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-
Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-
Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.-	no fragrance

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[Dinesh Valke]

... the leaves remind me of Ziziphus oenoplia ... BUT cannot see the spines !!
Could be wrong.

Regards.

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[tanay bose]

Dinesh Ji the leaves do look life Ziziphus oenoplia !! but the plant is spineless even the young shoots have spines I have seen it .
Tanay

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[Muthu Karthick]

Dear Dineshji,

Unlike Ziziphus oenoplia this is an unarmed tree. Yet the leaf characters resemble Ziziphus oenoplia.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“... the leaves remind me of Ziziphus oenoplia ... BUT cannot see the spines !!
Could be wrong.” from Dinesh ji.

 

“Dinesh Ji the leaves do look life Ziziphus oenoplia !! but the plant is spineless even the young shoots have spines I have seen it .
Tanay”

 

“Unlike Ziziphus oenoplia this is an unarmed tree. Yet the leaf characters resemble Ziziphus oenoplia.” from Muthu ji.

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:
“... the leaves remind me of Ziziphus oenoplia ... BUT cannot see the spines !!
Could be wrong.” from Dinesh ji.
 

“Dinesh Ji the leaves do look like Ziziphus oenoplia !! but the plant is spineless even the young shoots have spines I have seen it .

Tanay”
 
“Unlike Ziziphus oenoplia this is an unarmed tree. Yet the leaf characters resemble Ziziphus oenoplia.” from Muthu ji.

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[L. Rasingam]

Dear Muthu Ji

This is Trema orientalis (Ulmaceae)

regards
L.Rasingam

[Dinesh Valke]

Rasingam ji, ... not Trema orientalis.
Have some views of T. orientalis at my photostream at flickr.
... http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=trema%20orientalis&w=91314344%40N00

Regards.

[Divakar]

Dear karthick,
As you guess it could be a species of Grewia.
-Divakar

On Jul 2, 2:12 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rasingam ji, ... not *Trema orientalis*.
> Have some views of *T. orientalis *at my photostream at flickr.
> ...http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=trema%20orientalis&w=91314344%40N00
>
> Regards.

>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:16 PM, L. Rasingam <rasi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Muthu Ji
>

> > This is *Trema orientalis* (Ulmaceae)
>
> > regards
> > L.Rasingam

>
> > On 2 July 2010 10:29, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
> >> Some earlier relevant feedback:

> >> “... the leaves *remind me of Ziziphus oenoplia ... BUT cannot see the
> >> spines !!
> >> *Could be wrong.” from Dinesh ji.
>
> >> “Dinesh Ji the leaves do *look like Ziziphus oenoplia !! but the plant is
> >> spineless* even the young shoots have spines I have seen it .
> >> Tanay”
>
> >> “*Unlike Ziziphus oenoplia this is an unarmed tree*. Yet the leaf

> >> characters resemble Ziziphus oenoplia.” from Muthu ji.
>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com>
> >> Date: 7 June 2010 17:38
> >> Subject: [efloraofindia:37499] Tree for id 070610MK3
> >> To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>
> >> Dear all,
> >> Sorry for posting pictures without any floral details.
> >> Kindly help to id the tree species common on the river banks at an

> >> altitude of 500 - 900 msl. For me this resembles *Grewia* sp. Experts

> >> please guide. What this white tree would be?
>

> >>   *Date/Time-*

>
> >> 04-05-2010 / 02:00 PM
>

> >> *Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-*
>
> >> Mudumalai wls; 700 msl
>
> >> *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Typ*

>
> >> riparian and also on closer deciduous forests
>

> >> *Plant Habit-*
> >>  tree with whitish bark
>
> >> *Height/Length-*
>
> >> ca. 5 m
>
> >> *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-*

>
> >> 10 x 4cm; oblique at base
>

> >> *Inflorescence Type/ Size-*
>
> >>  *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-*
>
> >>  *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- *
>
> >>  *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- *

> >>  no fragrance
> >> --
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[Joshi Pankaj]

M also agree with..this is not a Z.oenoplia, no armed? 
 

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[Senthilkumar]

Dear Muthu

I think that this could be Grewia hirsuta. U pls check with Arisdasan.

Regards

Senthilkumar U. 

Senthilkumar U.
BSI & School of Ecology and Conservation,
University of Agricultural Sciences,
Bangalore-560 065.
Karnataka, India

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear Senthilji,
G.hirsuta is a shrub and it have hirsute plant body; whereas the posted picture has nearly glabrous leaves and is a tree.

Kindly refer the following link for G. hirsuta.:

http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/b016e1dc47b70206/62970bfac88e59d8?lnk=gst&q=Grewia+hirsuta#62970bfac88e59d8

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear all,

I am requesting the id of this tree once again with more pictures. Please help me. Any possibilities for this to be a Sapindaceae member?

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From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM
To: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Cc: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

... the leaves remind me of Ziziphus oenoplia ... BUT cannot see the spines !!
Could be wrong.

Regards.

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From: tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM
To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
Cc: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>, indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>


Dinesh Ji the leaves do look life Ziziphus oenoplia !! but the plant is spineless even the young shoots have spines I have seen it .
Tanay

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From: amol k l <akam...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:21 AM
To: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>


 Dear  Muthuji if you specimen, Why not you use the Plaskals Key, for tree species identification which was mainly based on Leaves & their characters .

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM
To: amol k l <akam...@gmail.com>


Dear Amolji,

Right now I don't have that key for identifying. I need to wait for the flowers to open and then identify.

Thank you for highlighting. 

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM
To: tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com>
Cc: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>


Dear Dineshji,

Unlike Ziziphus oenoplia this is an unarmed tree. Yet the leaf characters resemble Ziziphus oenoplia.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:54 PM
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Cc: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, C KUNHIKANNAN <kunhi...@gmail.com>, Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.b...@gmail.com>

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“... the leaves remind me of Ziziphus oenoplia ... BUT cannot see the spines !!
Could be wrong.” from Dinesh ji.

 

“Dinesh Ji the leaves do look life Ziziphus oenoplia !! but the plant is spineless even the young shoots have spines I have seen it .
Tanay”

 

“Unlike Ziziphus oenoplia this is an unarmed tree. Yet the leaf characters resemble Ziziphus oenoplia.” from Muthu ji.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, C KUNHIKANNAN <kunhi...@gmail.com>, Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.b...@gmail.com>

“Dinesh Ji the leaves do look like Ziziphus oenoplia !! but the plant is spineless even the young shoots have spines I have seen it .

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From: L. Rasingam <ras...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:16 PM
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, C KUNHIKANNAN <kunhi...@gmail.com>, Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.b...@gmail.com>


Dear Muthu Ji

This is Trema orientalis (Ulmaceae)

regards
L.Rasingam

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From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:42 PM
To: "L. Rasingam" <ras...@gmail.com>
Cc: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com>, C KUNHIKANNAN <kunhi...@gmail.com>, Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.b...@gmail.com>

Rasingam ji, ... not Trema orientalis.
Have some views of T. orientalis at my photostream at flickr.
... http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=trema%20orientalis&w=91314344%40N00

Regards.

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From: Divakar <divaka...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:09 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Dear karthick,
As you guess it could be a species of Grewia.
-Divakar

> >> indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
> >> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)
> >> indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>

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From: Joshi Pankaj <josh...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:49 PM
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M also agree with..this is not a Z.oenoplia, no armed? 
 

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From: Senthilkumar <senso...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:11 AM
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Dear Muthu

I think that this could be Grewia hirsuta. U pls check with Arisdasan.

Regards

Senthilkumar U. 

Senthilkumar U.
BSI & School of Ecology and Conservation,
University of Agricultural Sciences,
Bangalore-560 065.
Karnataka, India

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:53 PM
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Dear Senthilji,
G.hirsuta is a shrub and it have hirsute plant body; whereas the posted picture has nearly glabrous leaves and is a tree.

Kindly refer the following link for G. hirsuta.:

http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/b016e1dc47b70206/62970bfac88e59d8?lnk=gst&q=Grewia+hirsuta#62970bfac88e59d8

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[Dinesh Valke]

Muthu ji ... are these all photographs of same tree - same time ?
... because some of the photos: d 024. jpg ... 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 ... give a strong impression of the Trema species, perhaps the charcoal tree, Trema orientalis ... me could be wrong !!

Regards.
Dinesh

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear all,

Sorry for not mentioning the details. The d 024 to d 31 were taken at Nilgiris Eastern slope area (12 Feb 2011; Alt: 400msl) and the pics E104-107 were taken at Mudumalai wls, TN (04 May 2010). But both the locations are at same river bank, with a gross distance of 30KM.

Yes, Dineshji the tree matches the descriptions of Trema orientalis.

[Rashida Atthar]

Yes, I too think it is Trema  orientalis.

 

regards,

Rashida.  

[Neil Soares]

Hi,  As Dinesh has mentioned you have possibly mixed-up the photographs. Granted that the leaves in some of the photographs look like those of Gol [Trema orientalis], but the flowers do not match.                         With regards,                           Neil Soares. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

Neil ji ... please consider the female flowers (me could be wrong) ... here, already in the fruiting stage ... the male flowers relatively (slightly) larger normally meet the eye.
Regards.

[Dinesh Valke]

... the set of first pictures E104-107 showing only leaves and branch, taken at Mudumalai WLS, do not seem to be of Trema.
Regards.
Dinesh.

[Muthu Karthick]

A reply: 

Dear Sir
Greetings, your picture belongs to Trema orientalis which is a member
of family Ulmaceae very common in the riparian forests
Sincerely

R. Kottaimuthu

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Trema orientalis ?

Group discussion at

Tree for id 070610MK3 (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Trema orientalis ?

Group discussion at

Tree for id 070610MK3 (google.com)

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[Paradesi Anjaneyulu]

Yes, it's  Trema orientalis,

With regards. 

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[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

ID confirmed by Paradesi Ji.

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju