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Pudji Widodo

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May 16, 2011, 11:29:45 PM5/16/11
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Dear Friends,

I need your advice for the id of the following plant:
A shrub, 1-2 m tall. Flowers not seen. Loc. Bogor Botanical Gardens.
Thank you.

Regards,
Pudji Widodo
Fakultas Biologi Universitas Jenderal Soedirman
PURWOKERTO 53122 INDONESIA

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Sid

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May 17, 2011, 5:38:27 AM5/17/11
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Dear Pudji,

This looks like Desmos chinensis (Annonaceae).

Check these links

http://www0.hku.hk/ecology/porcupine/por29gif/desmos-fr.jpg

http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/desmos_chinensis.htm

Sid.

Satish Chile

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May 18, 2011, 1:50:30 AM5/18/11
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I agree Desmos chinensis

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Pudji Widodo

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May 18, 2011, 12:52:38 PM5/18/11
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Dear Sid Ji and Dr. Satish Kumar Chile

Thank you very much.

Ushadi micromini

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May 19, 2011, 2:31:36 AM5/19/11
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Dear Pudji ji:
very nice and rare seed pod... thank you for sharing... love it...

does this Bogor Botanical Gardens also have the Ylang Ylang VINE
variety?

We have the short tree variety here in Kolkata: the Cananga
odorata... which is flowering right now...
never seen seeds here though...
Usha di..

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ushadi Micromini

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May 19, 2011, 2:54:39 AM5/19/11
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SID: thanks.... di is  an honorific, no need to add ji after that, we are using di to differentiate among  many Usha Desais at eflora ...

thanks for telling...
may be they dont have the pollinators or the visitors dont let the flowers hang around long enough to fruit...???
Usha di....



On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Sid <sid...@gmail.com> wrote:
Usha Di ji,

There are many cultivated vareities or Cananga ordorata, generally the shorter varieties are preferred. I have seen many fruiting trees in house gardens in Coimbatore. The fruits look similar to Polyalthia fruits. 

Sid. 

Sid

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May 19, 2011, 3:03:31 AM5/19/11
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Ok Usha di, I was doubtful about the "di" but now got clarified. Yes the reason of not fruiting maybe the flowers are plucked for their sweet smell.

The below link has a nice description about C. odorata


Sid.

ushadi Micromini

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May 19, 2011, 9:31:48 AM5/19/11
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SID: THANK YOU  for the link...  the flower in this link is not petals but sepals only... and the spelling of common name does not match others in the world lit....  other pictures are nice
 Usha di
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ushadi Micromini

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May 19, 2011, 9:36:20 AM5/19/11
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dear Pudji: see message to SID ... di after my name means ji// or sister.... no need to say ji  again...
and  I wonder why some plants do not set seeds in Bengal... like this ylang ylang , and quis qualis comes to mind among many others....  and gardenia resinifera... which sets seeds else where...I have seen seedpods of Gardenia resinifera in chinese markets in NY...


I wonder...

someday I'll find the answer...
Usha di

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On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Pudji Widodo <pudji...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ushadi Ji

There should be some  Ylang Ylang (Cananga odorata) in Bogor Bot Gard.
 This short plant is very common in Indonesia.  Even my mother has got
this shrub. I think it flowers all the time, I ve never seen the
fruits and seeds..  The flowers are sold a lot in the market and in
some places near the cemetry.


Regards,
Pudji Widodo
Fakultas Biologi Universitas Jenderal Soedirman
PURWOKERTO 53122 INDONESIA

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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May 19, 2011, 2:11:58 PM5/19/11
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The reasons may be absence of proper pollinators, or viable stigma or
viable anther, or the inability of pollen to form pollen tubes.
I imagine someone has studied this on Quisqualis atleast.
Sid, this fruit looks so different from any other Annonaceae.
Regards
Pankaj






On May 19, 9:36 am, ushadi Micromini <microminipho...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> dear Pudji: see message to SID ... di after my name means ji// or sister....
> no need to say ji  again...
> and  I wonder why some plants do not set seeds in Bengal... like this ylang
> ylang , and quis qualis comes to mind among many others....  and gardenia
> resinifera... which sets seeds else where...I have seen seedpods of Gardenia
> resinifera in chinese markets in NY...
>
> I wonder...
>
> someday I'll find the answer...
> Usha di
>
> ======
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Pudji Widodo <pudjiuns...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Ushadi Ji
>
> > There should be some  Ylang Ylang (Cananga odorata) in Bogor Bot Gard.
> >  This short plant is very common in Indonesia.  Even my mother has got
> > this shrub. I think it flowers all the time, I ve never seen the
> > fruits and seeds..  The flowers are sold a lot in the market and in
> > some places near the cemetry.
>
> > Regards,
> > Pudji Widodo
> > Fakultas Biologi Universitas Jenderal Soedirman
> > PURWOKERTO 53122 INDONESIA
>

Ushadi micromini

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May 20, 2011, 12:08:15 AM5/20/11
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Dear Pankaj ji:
you are right, there may be many reasons for not fruiting.......
in calcutta atleast there is this apocryphal story heard at houseplant
expos... that the original Quis Qualis was brought into the Agri-
Hort... way back when, and from that one sapling the cuttings have
produced all the millions of Quis Quallis we see alll over the eastern
India... the story tellers are not sure of the pedigree of quis qualis
in western India...

Recently a nursery was selling a dwarf Quis Qualis... had very small
leaves and a few isolated flowers, not the big bunches one sees in
regular garden Quis Qualis that climbs over trees and walls here...

ANYWAY: DO YOU BY CHANCE REMEMBER THE PERSON WHO DID THE STUDY OR THE
PAPER THEY MAY HAVE PUBLISHED...??.

thanks
Usha di
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Pankaj Kumar

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May 20, 2011, 4:36:28 AM5/20/11
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I will try to find the reference, but I remember it was not on a high
profile journal and hence it may not be online.
Regards
Pankaj

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Department of Habitat Ecology
Wildlife Institute of India
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