id cs5.5 export pdf size
Kathleen
This has been happening for weeks and we finally made the 1st and 2nd export correlation.
Curious.
Kat
McGraphics Design
(626) 799-2195
http://www.mcgraphics.us
Roy McCoy
> Lately I've noted that my 50 pg id file exports to pdf 21.1mg. But I reexport the exact same pdf a 2nd time and size is 2.1mg.
> This has been happening for weeks and we finally made the 1st and 2nd export correlation.
> Curious.
So am I, and I hope an explanation turns up. I might however wind up simply taking advantage of this if it turned out to work that way for me too, as I'm having problems wheedling smaller PDFs out of Acrobat X. Maybe I'm screwing up, maybe I should have checked out the documentation more or something, I don't know, but I didn't read the Acrobat 9 manual either and still didn't have any problem getting a smaller file. There was something right there in a normal menu, "Smaller File Size" I think it was called, and you selected it and it made the file smaller. When I wanted to reduce the size of some PDFs today, all I could find was (1) a three-part action that takes an appreciable amount of time to get through and demands a long series of dialog clicks, and (2) a Save As Reduced Size PDF command... that doesn't work! It didn't make my files any smaller today (I wound up using the action and doing all the clicking), and I just now picked an old 1.3MB PDF at random and did the Save As Reduced Size PDF thing on it, and it again came out exactly the same, 1.3MB.
I really don't like Acrobat X up to this point. Does anyone feel like pointing out one or two of its good points that I might be forgetting or unaware of, to relieve me of the idea of reverting to Acrobat 9 (assuming this is possible with CS5.5)?
Thanks,
Roy
Bret Perry
>I really don't like Acrobat X up to this point. Does anyone feel like
>pointing out one or two of its good points that I might be forgetting or
>unaware of, to relieve me of the idea of reverting to Acrobat 9 (assuming
>this is possible with CS5.5)?
No, not really... Accessibility standards-checking anyone?
This was almost entirely an interface "refresh".
It makes me grumble, not being able to find ANYTHING!
I am constantly opening up Acro 9 to see what that icon I use is named,
looking it up in X help and swearing a lot.
I do have to admit the the interface is cleaner and more logically
organized.
But it's like the supermarket, I don't care that the new layout makes more
sense, the cookies used to be next to the canned peas and I was used to it!
There are great improvements in the new "actions" so if you do the same
steps a lot, "easy" to automate them now (supposedly once you figure it
out--I haven't)
For making smaller files, in either 9 or X, the best way is to save
Optimized PDF.
In 9 that was under top menu "Advanced" ... "PDF Optimizer"
In X it is under "File" ... Save-as" (OK, more logical but jeeze)
Just set the downsampling and quality to the lowest you can stand and the
"for images above" to the same as downsampling.
Then save your SETTING that you just made by clicking the little floppy
disk... then you can use that every time.
I have had issues with Optimized PDFs (kerning wacks out letters on top of
each other in heads) -- maybe because of OTF-Type 1 conflicts..)
Hopefully they fixed that in 10.1 update yesterday.
Bret Perry
Studio IT Manager/Production Artist
ph 626-463-9365
fax 626-449-2201
bpe...@russreid.com
The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by calling the Help Desk at 866-682-8852.
Kathleen
kat
Kathleen
On another note I just discover that jump to page links beyond their own file won't work if I divide the file up by Article.
So the only way to get them to work is exporting the complete book. A real drag for working with reading order and tags.
Absolutely hate that every time you save an Acrobat X pdf it closes all the (zillion) tags in the structure tree in my pdf book.
But, boy are we learning alot.
kat
> --
> you are subscribed to "InDesign talk" on Google Groups, to post: send email to indesi...@googlegroups.com, to unsubscribe: send email to indesign-tal...@googlegroups.com, for more options visit http://groups.google.com/group/indesign-talk
Roy McCoy
Roy
Roy McCoy
> No, not really... Accessibility standards-checking anyone?
> This was almost entirely an interface "refresh".
If that's true, if Acrobat X has nothing else to offer and if I don't
like the revised interface, then it would seem that I could revert
to Acrobat 9 without fear of losing anything worth worrying about.
Another chance for X here? Does anybody have anything good to say
about it? I'm still all ears.
> It makes me grumble, not being able to find ANYTHING!
> I am constantly opening up Acro 9 to see what that icon I use is named,
> looking it up in X help and swearing a lot.
> I do have to admit the the interface is cleaner and more logically
> organized.
I don't admit that yet, though I may wind up doing so. Yes, there's
something nice *looking* about those spiffy new thingies on the right
of the window and I suppose there's logic in their organization, but
on the other hand there's no self-evident logic in having multiple
banks of menus where there was a singular one before. At least you
knew which side of the screen something was on.
> But it's like the supermarket, I don't care that the new layout makes
> more sense, the cookies used to be next to the canned peas and I was
> used to it!
>
> There are great improvements in the new "actions" so if you do the same
> steps a lot, "easy" to automate them now (supposedly once you figure it
> out--I haven't)
I commented on the "ease" of the Prepare for Web Publishing action
yesterday. Running through that again today (and omitting the long
waits):
1. click on Tools
2. click on Action Wizard triangle
3. click on action
4. review (modify?) Remove Hidden Information options (?)
5. click on OK
6. review (modify?) Acrobat Version Compatibility options
7. click on OK
8. choose folder in which to save
9. click on Save
10. read that action was completed and click on Close
In Acrobat 9 that's:
1. Document > Reduce File Size (logical enough, right?)
2. review (modify?) Acrobat Version Compatibility options
3. choose folder in which to save
4. click on Save
That's simpler, faster, and even yields a smaller file - 1099K as opposed
to 1128K in the case I just now checked.
> For making smaller files, in either 9 or X, the best way is to save
> Optimized PDF.
> In 9 that was under top menu "Advanced" ... "PDF Optimizer"
> In X it is under "File" ... Save-as" (OK, more logical but jeeze)
More logical but "Jeeze, I just selected Save As but nothing happened.
Oh..."
> Just set the downsampling and quality to the lowest you can stand and
> the "for images above" to the same as downsampling.
> Then save your SETTING that you just made by clicking the little floppy
> disk... then you can use that every time.
>
> I have had issues with Optimized PDFs (kerning wacks out letters on
> top of each other in heads) -- maybe because of OTF-Type 1 conflicts..)
> Hopefully they fixed that in 10.1 update yesterday.
I'm not sure. I had a reduced-size file go wacko on me last night,
and I think that was after the update was downloaded. Fortunately I'd
made a copy of the file before reducing it, so I could go back and use
a different method on that one.
Dov wrote:
> In terms of reducing the size of PDF files, PDF file size is nothing
> you can legislate.
Oh yes it is. Adobe did it with Reduce File Size in Acrobat 9, and
continues to do it with default Adobe PDF presets in InDesign. I'm
not saying the parameters of the reduction should be dictated and I
do appreciate the provision of options, but on the other hand a quick
one-size-fits-all reduction feature has been handy for me and I don't
necessary want to plunge into the full panoply of possibilities. The
Reduced Size PDF Save As is still apparently "legislated" (though as
reported it hasn't been working for me - all I can think of is maybe
the files were already reduced?), as is, for example, the Smallest
File Size PDF preset in InDesign.
> The major variables in PDF file size include image resolution, image
> compression type, image compression quality, metadata (from original
> digital assets), tagging (for accessibility or otherwise), internal
> links, and color profiles. You can reduce PDF file size by downsampling
> images further, using a more aggressive compression technique
> (depending upon image type, of course), lowering the image compression
> quality (for JPEG or JPEG2000 compression), eliminating any tagging,
> removing metadata, and removing color profiles. All of these features
> are available in both Acrobat 9 Pro and Acrobat X Pro. The only other
> technique that is available is associated with exceptionally complex
> vector graphics; you could go back to the original asset and rasterize
> them, probably mucking up the quality badly, but possibly getting a
> significant reduction in the PDF file size that may be due to their
> original vast complexity.
Understood - to a degree. :-}
> And at a certain point, if you have a certain amount of content,
> you simply cannot compress or reduce the PDF unless you actually
> cut content.
Understood - perfectly! :-)
> The "Professor Harold Hill Think Method" does not work with PDF file.
I don't know that and there are only 15 Google finds on the term...
Ah, Prof. Hill in "The Music Man", I saw that - fifty years ago, lol.
No, I guess it wouldn't.
Thanks,
Roy
Bret Perry
>Are you doing Accessibility, Bret?
Not really, looking at it a little, I was just saying that better
accessibility reporting and automation are the only real "under the hood"
improvements in X, the rest is just a "better" interface.
Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio
> It seems to be a crapshot. One time it gives me huge files, but the next round
> really small. So I'm just exporting until I get a size I like.
Really, really strange. Sounds like a spectacular bug. :-)
I take for granted you used the same options for exporting.
Has the smaller file content the same quality?
The only thing that comes to my mind (and I know it sounds stupid), is this:
in MacOSX, sometimes the file size you see in the Finder is not the REAL
size, because OSX takes some time (or a long time ;-) to update the Finder
windows.
So I (using 10.4.11) happen to see, just after exporting a PDF from ID, zero
Bytes file size, or a hundred of KBytes... even if Iknow the PDF should be
some MBs.
Only when I close and reopen the window (or if I do Get Information on the
file), i see the correct file size.
I don't think this is what happens to you... but just in case... ;-)