fsfs.in and windows
Rijo
Aby Kuruvilla
Even die hard fans cannot live with out windows . Admit it guys.
:D. The entire fsfs.in is waste of public money.
The organizers must have pocketed good sums. I can see a lot of
posters , cut outs and other gizmos.
Even the venue for exhibition was made of AITUC national conference.
I guess the entire bill for AITUC will also go into fsfs account.
Shame on kerala lugs.
Aby
Aby Kuruvilla
Aby Kuruvilla
Wow
See how is so called Novell hater posting an image of the Microsoft
power point slide.
http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/12/fsfsin-2008-day-31.html
( image 5)
Hypocrisy a why are you playing with sid when you have lenny.
:d
Aby
Syam Krishnan
> And one more link
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/33286987@N04/3102771534/
> Shame on u guys
> Aby
>
So if the KDE project demonstrates their cross platform capability on a
Windows machine, that's shame on them too, huh?
That particular presentation was on a web based tool, and the OS does
not matter at all.
Really, you should get lost!
Syam
V. Sasi Kumar
> I guess the other members are on an 'ignore the troll' attitude. Still..
> So if the KDE project demonstrates their cross platform capability on a
> Windows machine, that's shame on them too, huh?
> That particular presentation was on a web based tool, and the OS does
> not matter at all.
> Really, you should get lost!
Shyam, some people were looking for an opportunity to speak ill of some
other people, and they finally found a crumb. Just let them have their
say. I was wondering what they were doing when windows was being used
for presentation. They could have got up and protested then and there. I
am sure people would have appreciated that. There was no ban on free
speech there.
The only mistake that the organisers did was not to tell the speakers to
use only Free Software. This is understandable since one does not
normally expect a speaker in FSFS conference to use Windows. As far as I
could see, no one used MS Windows in the Policy track. I don't know
about the technology track since I never went there. As you know, there
are some technology-oriented people who are not very much bothered about
freedom.
In any case, there has been high appreciation of the conference from
people who participated and people who spoke. Here is, for instance, a
small part of a long post by Stefan Merten:
"I'm just on the way back home from this great conference which took
place in Thiruvananthapuram in the state of Kerala / India. I must say
I'm really deeply impressed."
Best
--
V. Sasi Kumar
Free Software Foundation of India
http://swatantryam.blogspot.com
Sunil Thomas Thonikuzhiyil
Let me clarify since this flame war started with my blog post. In fact, I was the one who stood up and asked the guy why you show a windows/mac specific technology. It seems some of the fellow listers and blog posters are alleging that I did some thing wrong.
There were many "BIG" activists in the hall. When I asked the question , I was not knowing that the speaker was one of the main organizers of the event. ( And now I see the reason why no one else asked questions).
I am posting a new blog entry on current fashion.
http://brainstorms.in/?p=243
I think lot of money was wasted for publicity and other nonsense talks. The exhibition was much better with lot of things on the display.
73s
Sunil
VU2SWX
Sunil T T
Assistant Professor
College of Engineering,
Attingal, Trivandrum,
India 695 101
Ph:919446172785 http://brainstorms.in
Joju Joshua
<vu2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Let me clarify since this flame war started with my blog post. In
> fact, I was the one who stood up and asked the guy why you show a
> windows/mac specific technology. It seems some of the fellow listers and
> blog posters are alleging that I did some thing wrong.
> There were many "BIG" activists in the hall. When I asked the question
> , I was not knowing that the speaker was one of the main organizers of the
> event. ( And now I see the reason why no one else asked questions).
>
> The exhibition was much better with lot of things on the display.
+1 GNU
:-)
--
Joju Joshua
Anoop Joy Jacob
Apart from being troll bait, Aby's post ( and the original blog
post) points to some real issues with the current dispenstaion of free
software in Kerala.
I think it was totally wrong to use windows at a conference which was
about freedom and free society. But no one in the list seems to be
bothered about the ethical issues involved. Instead of asking him to
get lost let us begin a meaningful discussion on the ethical issues.
For the organizers it was another event like last weeks
conference of " secular education democracy and ......".
Most of the prominent lister had good Biriyani from mascot . So they
wont mind.
ദീപസ്തമ്ബം മഹശ്ചര്ര്യം
Anoop
CET.
ranjith s kumar
The intention of these 'geeks' are clear from this message. Taking the photo of M$ vista used by the SBT commercial stall and stating ,that did by community is folly.
I feel that the community members should not respond further in this thread.
What syam said is right -'ignore the troll.
regards.
Ranjith S. Kumar,Lecturer In Mechanical Engineering, Government Engineering, Collge,Barton Hill,Thiruvananthapuram -35,Mob.9447295213
--- On Sat, 12/13/08, Aby Kuruvilla <aby...@yahoo.com> wrote:
.Kenney Jacob
.Kenney Jacob
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
Rijo
Why are you in a hurry to close the thread.
See more of it at the following links
http://www.kenneyjacob.com/2008/12/12/fsfsin-and-free-software-nonsense/
http://www.jayson.in/opinion/free-software-free-society-a-kerala-perspective.html
Lot more links starting to come.
The organizers feeling the heat :D
Rij
On Dec 13, 9:34 am, ranjith s kumar <ranjith_s_ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear g/lug members
>
> The intention of these 'geeks' are clear from this message. Taking the photo of M$ vista used by the SBT commercial stall and stating ,that did by community is folly.
> I feel that the community members should not respond further in this thread.
> What syam said is right -'ignore the troll.
> regards.
>
> Ranjith S. Kumar,Lecturer In Mechanical Engineering, Government Engineering, Collge,Barton Hill,Thiruvananthapuram -35,Mob.9447295213
>
Shino Jacob
I also read Sunil's Blog "
Free Software : The current fashion in Kerala"
We often criticizes ourselves, for a creative purpose its good, but I do not think the above said write up or similar ones will any way help FSF in any way(well, its my opinion). I started using ubuntu after the install fest in Technopark . Kudos to the team who done that. Without these volunteers , that wouldnt have been possible.
But I admit that some comments like
"If a newbie says ,"XYZ make video card is not recognized in Fubuntu" . A Pure Volunteer will reply , " Dude, you are using the wrong distro. Use UDORA with kernel 2.X.X" .
are really valid.
I dont think the lug is infested with them( may be an occasional one here are there)
For extending FS usage , one should be a volunteer or an organizer , ut just use FS , if he/she wishes, I said if he/she wishes.
I know several guys contribute to FS , may be you should look in the correct places.
--
Miles to go before I Sleep
ashik salahudeen
+1 Sasikumar sir.
Its very easy for people to stand outside and criticize. They preach
all they want. They are never seen in action though. I don't think
they have the correct idea yet. Free Software has nothing to do with
Windows. Sun's people came with Windows Laptop. Their bad. It was
their choice. They didn't force it on anyone else did they ? What is
wrong with Windows-themed UI if it makes someone's transition to GNU a
little bit easier ?
I have been to most of FSUG tvm's events and i havent seen the critics
volunteering/contributing in any meaningful way. These people have
never responded to newbie queries in this mailinglist. They are just
here to offload a bunch of bullshit so they can start off flamewars i
think.
Carryon the bullshitting. If you really care about FS, do something
constructive instead of staying in ivory towers and criticizing stuff.
V. Sasi Kumar
> if whatever said in above blogs are correct then I believe that
> public money has been wasted ,( I havent had a chance to go to the
> conference since it was on week days.)
You certainly do have the freedom to express your beliefs. I did
participate in the conference and the vast majority felt that it was a
very good conference. This was, in many ways, better than the previous
one because we had more very good speakers compared to last time. I had
quoted what one person wrote in a list after the conference, and others
have mailed me personally. Several people told me a similar opinion at
the conference itself. So I don't subscribe to your view that it was a
waste of public money. Of course, you are free to have your opinion.
Shino Jacob
As I said, If blogs are correct , then my money as tax payer is lost.(I pay a lot of money as tax)
And the organizers have the moral responsibility of explaining all the allegations.
Syam Krishnan
But I admit that some comments like
"If a newbie says ,"XYZ make video card is not recognized in Fubuntu" . A Pure Volunteer will reply , " Dude, you are using the wrong distro. Use UDORA with kernel 2.X.X" .
are really valid.
I dont think the lug is infested with them( may be an occasional one here are there)
Syam
Shino Jacob
Praveen A
> yes thats 100% true. check for urself
But Syam was just joking.
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This particular mail is what is used in the Sunil's blog.( i am not sure , but I think one or other similar instances were there, may be I am wrong, I dont recollect it correctly)
Well, my intention was not to tarnish anybody,
I am here to support and use FS and to povide some contributions if possible.
Jayson
> their choice. They didn't force it on anyone else did they ? What is
> wrong with Windows-themed UI if it makes someone's transition to GNU a
> little bit easier ?
.Kenney Jacob
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
Sebin Jacob
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Sebin Jacob
.Kenney Jacob
Beware of this concept. - http://www.kenneyjacob.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/dsc-0194.jpg
This simply means that some people are trying to hijack this.
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
Rijo
I am just looking for the code for the celebrated " freedom
Toaster".
Can some one show it. Or is it also running win ?
Rij
Praveen A
> may be .but if that installer workied on the other computer, I think Syam
> would have advocated for that.( as I read from all posts that he is an
> ardent advocate of Fedora)
What makes Fedora set apart from some rather popular distro is its
commitment to provide Free Software only and not mix proprietary
software. We definitely recommend some distributions over other
because we believe they play an equal role, give back to the community
and stay committed to Free Software ideals.
"Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute."
http://fedoraproject.org/
So there is a personal preference and a philosophical strength to
Fedora. In that particular thread if you see, we did try to help him
with his problem.
I'm quoting Syam's mail here
"Did you try using an image which resides in your home directory? If
mounting of partitions fails during boot (for whatever reason), the
wallpaper iage might be inaccessible.
I'm not sure if that's the problem. Please check and revert. And if it
doesn't work, feel free to download Fedora 10 tomorrow and install
it.. he he.. "
That he he was clearly a joke and he indeed clarified it in a later
post. And if you back to that thread there was 13 messages and 5
people responded.
> This particular mail is what is used in the Sunil's blog.( i am not sure ,
> but I think one or other similar instances were there, may be I am wrong, I
> dont recollect it correctly)
>
Do you really think that blog reflects the situation correctly?
> Well, my intention was not to tarnish anybody,
> I am here to support and use FS and to povide some contributions if
> possible.
Since this was an incident you have seen first hand, you can infer
about the intentions of the original blogger.
Cheers
Praveen
Anoop John
> I am just looking for the code for the celebrated " freedom
> Toaster".
> Can some one show it. Or is it also running win ?
The code is available at Zyxware. We will be publishing it on
freedomwalk.in and sf.net soon but if you want it earlier you can drop
by to get your copy.
It is written in python and it is "running to win" :-) on GNU/Linux
Anoop John
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Praveen A
> And the stalls were really good. I appreciate the people who did the "REAL
> WORK".
>
> Beware of this concept. -
> http://www.kenneyjacob.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/dsc-0194.jpg
That is what we think Free Software is about
"We are talking not merely about a form of production or a system of
industrial relations, but also about the beginning of a social
movement with specific political goals which will characterize not
only the production of software in the twenty-first century, but the
production and distribution of culture generally." - Eben Moglen
http://moglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/maine-speech.html
- Praveen
Praveen A
> I want to come out of my "ivory tower" and participate in the exhibition.
> But my proposal was rejected. I will definitely participate in the next
> event even if i have to kill someone for that.
I suggest you talk to hackerdom folks
"You can place your suggestions for additions in the event using your
wishlist option while registeration"
Praveen A
> I am just looking for the code for the celebrated " freedom
> Toaster".
> Can some one show it. Or is it also running win ?
Here is everything you need
http://freedomtoaster.org/Build
Hope you don't forget to tell us when you have built your toaster.
Praveen A
Its is clear. We should have been careful, and we have to be careful
in future. It clearly shows we are ready to admit our mistakes and
correct them. Free Software community does not stop at FSFS. We have
events to come and we invite you to get involved and help us be
vigilant about these kind of tracks. Would you join us in Hackerdom
and FOSS Meet@NITC?
Praveen A
I bet you meant freedomtoaster.in :-) See we are extra vigilant these
days. Our efforts are paying off. Kudos to all the Free Software
community members. It is the success of our efforts that shows even
smallest mis step won't be tolerated.
Cheers
Shino Jacob
did my mail ever say that blog was correct, I spotted one instance which was correct , DO NOT MAKE MOUNTAINS OF MOLE HILLS.
I am not particulary interested in any one flavour of linux.
Praveen A
> Guys,
> did my mail ever say that blog was correct, I spotted one instance which was
> correct , DO NOT MAKE MOUNTAINS OF MOLE HILLS.
All I'm asking is to go back to the thread you mentioned, re read it
again and come back and tell us if you still think what the blog syas
about this particular example is correct. We all make mistakes. But we
are ready to correct it when we notice it. We are all human beings.
Cheers
ashik salahudeen
across Kerala were invited. If something like this (rejection) happens
anytime, and if FSUG tvm is there , there will be a place in the stall
for you :) . Well yeah i know those are two Ifs , but still.
.Kenney Jacob
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
.Keralafarmer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandrasekharannair/3104846238/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chandrasekharannair/3104887714/
However I was a delegate on three day conference. I am not a technical person who can understand the English presentations. I was always at ground floor up to 2 PM. I found the Install fest at Kanakakkunnu was very attractive. If I can use GNU/Linux OS it is shame for the experts who are criticizing the event. I saw the active students from MES Eng college there. Try to become an user of GNU/Linux instead of criticizing.
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Sunil Thomas Thonikuzhiyil
Publish it as early as possible. Otherwise people will think that it was a closed source item at the stall.
:d
Sunil
Prasad SR
Constructive criticism is good. It can really help the group to correct itself in time to time. But I can see that dres only criticism going on no action. Haven't seen any of the great philosophers coming down to a stall or answering a thread posted by a newbie. We could help them if u spend half the time in criticizing to answering a query.
the freedom toaster software can be downloaded from here http://cdot.senecac.on.ca/projects/toaster/
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Syam Krishnan
I'm quoting Syam's mail here
Here's what I've to say:
To free software supporters who are both angry and sad to see proprietary software @ fsfs.in
Your point is well taken. In the future, we should make sure that we don't inadvertently promote proprietary software in our stalls. All our promotional material, demos, presentations etc. must be supported by free software.
To purists who think proprietary software shouldn't be spotted at a free software conference
We have no (and should not have) control over the laptops of the speakers and other contributor. If I'm a contributor to free software, coming for the conference to present something, aren't I allowed to use software of my choice on my machines?
How about this: "The international children's film festival sucked big time - the venue had lots of adults! Can you believe that?? grown-ups in a children's film festival! Look, I've lots of photos to prove it..." Does that sound sensible?
To people who think free software has no relevance and future
Why are you in this mailing list? Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Syam
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Jayson
present something, aren't I allowed to use software of my choice on my
machines?
software brings a lot of benefits to the table. I also think that we
should fight things such as "software patents". But when it comes to
use of 'proprietary software' we need to be pragmatic. What irritates
me is the fanatical behavior seen (Novell protest comes to my mind). A
guy even suggested that I am traitor simply because I said I use some
of the 'proprietary software'!
Freedom to me also includes my ability to choose what is best for me.
Sunil Thomas Thonikuzhiyil
Also , there should be some peer review on selection of topics for conferences. I cannot see any papers or transcripts of the conference on the website. See my new post on closed source conference papers.
http://brainstorms.in/?p=244
It seems the javafx is not fully open source. Can some one enlighten on the license of java fx.
Sunil
Jayson
proprietary software. Others such as the compiler is GPLv2.
On Dec 13, 11:54 pm, "Sunil Thomas Thonikuzhiyil" <vu2...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Praveen A
> Also , there should be some peer review on selection of topics for
> conferences. I cannot see any papers or transcripts of the conference on
> the website. See my new post on closed source conference papers.
There was a request from Arun fro help. I'm sure you will be leading
the team to get all the talks and videos+transcript online. Thanks for
showing your interest and volunteering to do it.
I hope you will also accept the invitation from Arun to join in the
finance committee meeting.
Praveen A
> This is the exact question I have. I believe open source and free
> software brings a lot of benefits to the table. I also think that we
> should fight things such as "software patents". But when it comes to
> use of 'proprietary software' we need to be pragmatic. What irritates
Everyone has his choice to be pragmatic (Open Source) or idealistic
(Free Software) or in between (FOSS). But all Free Software community
asks is not to mix us these and don't use pragmatic values to
represent Free Software. Both of them are separate movements and work
together on common issues like software patents.
As much you have the freedom to be pragmatic, you can't force us to be
pragmatic either. But at the same time, both of us can debate why what
we believe is better. And work together keeping the differences. We do
that all the time. We don't have to agree on everything. We just have
to work on things both of us agree to.
> me is the fanatical behavior seen (Novell protest comes to my mind). A
> guy even suggested that I am traitor simply because I said I use some
> of the 'proprietary software'!
You are mixing up things and being unclear about issues. As you
mentioned earlier about the patent menace, it is a big issue and what
Novell did to the patent equation was very damaging to the community.
Novell's deal gave legitimacy to Microsoft's patents claims on Free
Software and it divided the community between those who pay royalties
to Microsoft and those who do not. It was clearly a deal that went
against the spirit of the GPL and community had to come up with better
wording in GPLv3. And what is your position with respect the the
Novell-Microsoft deal? Do you support it?
>
> Freedom to me also includes my ability to choose what is best for me.
Nobody is questioning that. Free Software is about choosing what is
ethically right for the society. You may disagree with, that is
perfectly OK. But don't tell we should change our values. We can work
together on issues that concerns both of us keeping our differences.
Jayson
> asks is not to mix us these and don't use pragmatic values to
> represent Free Software.
atheism in your sermons. Agreed. But don't condemn those who are
atheists! (I am using an analogy here).
> You are mixing up things and being unclear about issues. As you
> mentioned earlier about the patent menace, it is a big issue and what
> Novell did to the patent equation was very damaging to the community.
> Novell's deal gave legitimacy to Microsoft's patents claims on Free
> Software and it divided the community between those who pay royalties
> to Microsoft and those who do not. It was clearly a deal that went
> against the spirit of the GPL and community had to come up with better
> wording in GPLv3. And what is your position with respect the the
> Novell-Microsoft deal? Do you support it?
legitimacy. I have no doubt about it. But when you protest it, you
need to follow the rules of the land. After all, we are a democracy.
> Nobody is questioning that. Free Software is about choosing what is
> ethically right for the society. You may disagree with, that is
> perfectly OK. But don't tell we should change our values.
ethically correct. I don't buy the argument that 'either you are with
us or with them'.
.Kenney Jacob
Is it necessary to say "Bad Vista" in order promote free software ? Vista sucks for sure, but why spend time energy and money to say it sucks.
Now dont come up and say, I am a microsoft spy.
http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob
Shino Jacob
I always have this feeling that some people are taking thing in the wrong way, After reading all these stufs , newbie will be really surprised.
I dont have to go back and read that post again,
Jayson Joseph Chacko
http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp
It says,
"Unless enforcement is prohibited by applicable law, you may not
modify, decompile, or reverse engineer Software...."
It goes on to exclude the JavaFX runtime specificially from the open
source material,
" Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
without fees to reproduce and distribute the Software (except for the
JavaFX Runtime),"
It is clear that Sun wants to extract the benefit of projecting
something as open source free software and at the same time wants to
hold on to the runtime as proprietary software. They are just waiting
to see how it turns out. :-)
As we have already seen in the FSFS conference Sun is able to market
JavaFX (think about the publicity they got) as a free software even
though it is proprietary. That is what I call stealth marketing and I
don't know how that is in anyway different from Novell's idea :-)
Shino Jacob
Praveen A
>
> JavaFX runtime is not free. Check out the revised Sun binary license,
>
> http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp
>
> It says,
>
> "Unless enforcement is prohibited by applicable law, you may not
> modify, decompile, or reverse engineer Software...."
>
> It goes on to exclude the JavaFX runtime specificially from the open
> source material,
>
> " Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
> without fees to reproduce and distribute the Software (except for the
> JavaFX Runtime),"
>
> It is clear that Sun wants to extract the benefit of projecting
> something as open source free software and at the same time wants to
> hold on to the runtime as proprietary software. They are just waiting
> to see how it turns out. :-)
>
> As we have already seen in the FSFS conference Sun is able to market
> JavaFX (think about the publicity they got) as a free software even
> though it is proprietary. That is what I call stealth marketing and I
> don't know how that is in anyway different from Novell's idea :-)
Sun has a commitment to release their software as Free Software and
they have demonstrated in the past by releasing OpenSolaris and Java.
Though the FAQ is pretty unclear, I got another link where they stated
it will be released as Free Software
http://java.sun.com/javafx/faqs.jsp#2
And, on the important question of what in JavaFX is going to be open sourced:
Q: Is the JavaFX Runtime the same thing as the JavaFX Script which
is to be "open sourced" as per the FAQ?
Nandini R: Yes, it is and the runtime will be open sourced.
Alright, good to read the clarification that the runtime will be open sourced.
http://www.oreillynet.com/onjava/blog/2007/05/javafx_new_wysiwyg_editor_rama.html
Novell's idea is different. The main issue with Novell's deal with
Microsoft is patents. They have provided legitimacy to Microsoft
patent claims on Free Software and they have divided the community
into those who pay Microsoft and those who do not making Microsoft's
job of suing Free Software users without including their own customers
(one of the biggest reason why they don't do it at the moment). It
also against the spirit of the GPL. They found a loop hole in the
wordings and exploited it. GPL v2 talked about patent license and what
Novell did was patent license in effect - they used the word "covenant
not to sue" to evade GPL. But the community fixed the loop hole in
GPLv3 by saying any deal that result in "not getting sued for patents"
irrespective of the words and tricks will be a violation of GPL.
Sun is the largest (lines of code) contributor to Free Software and
they have difficulty in dealing with code that they have licensed from
third parties when they release it a s Free Software.
When they announced java will be Free Software, there were some code
which Sun does not own in java which needed time to rewrite. And they
have kept their commitment by rewriting all the parts which were not
free. So from the past experiences with Sun we have a reason to
believe their word.
But as Arun mentioned if more people volunteered for the technology
track we could have avoided this. I hope you will help with any
upcoming conferences to ensure these kind of things won't happen.
- Cheers
Praveen A
> what about java?
Java is Free Software released under GPL v2.
http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp#g1
Jayson Joseph Chacko
Praveen A
> just because they have *promised* it will be free soon! If that is the case,
> I am sure a lot of others would be ready to make that promise just to get
> publicity :-)
Nobody said it is 100% Free Software. Arun said not many volunteered
for technical track and the focus was on policy track. I was just
pointing out how Sun promised to release their software earlier and
how they kept their promise. If you remember RMS and Eben were present
when Sun *promised* to make java completely Free.