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[Dr Steve]

Hi all

I've just bought my first basic Gurdy, I know it was a bit rash, but I
will have to live with it.

I've loved the sound of the Gurdy since hearing one in the Netherlands
6/7 years ago.

I need some lessons, I live in the Northampton area of the UK, can
anyone recommend a kind hearted person in the area.

[Ruth Bramley]

I can wholeheartedly recommend Mike Gilpin of this parish. He lives in Cambridgeshire which isn't too many miles up the A14 :-)

What sort of gurdy have you bought?

Ruthie

[Elizabeth Gilmore]

GOOD FOR YOU! Im waiting for mine to finish getting built... I cant
wait...!!! hurdys are wonderful! Im hoping to play some english
country dance music on mine...

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[Barbara Currier]

I second the nomination. Mike was a wonderfully patient and skilled  beginners' teacher at Over the Water. I could surely use him now. Also, if you find you would later like to upgrade your instrument, he can build you one.

ATB
Barbara

[Kevin Hughes]

 

Hello,

 

While looking at videos on YouTube, I found one that had the following in the description:

 

“An instrument apparently destroyed in such large numbers on the orders of Henry VIII there are few around now and builders and repairers are in short supply.”

 

Does anyone have know whether there is any material that supports this?

 

 

thanks,

Kevin

[MITC...@aol.com]

Well, you can hardly blame the man. I take it he tried to destroy all the bagpipes also...

;-)

Mitch

 

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[Elizabeth Gilmore]

Hello, Hmmm I am curious also... I am currently waiting for my hurdy
to finish being built....I look forward to the responses and will
probably do a little research on my own....

[Elizabeth Gilmore]

Hey!!... some of us out here LIKE hurdy gurdys and bagpipes!

On 4/8/12, MITC...@aol.com <MITC...@aol.com> wrote:
> Well, you can hardly blame the man. I take it he tried to destroy all the
> bagpipes also...
> ;-)
> Mitch
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> In a message dated 4/8/2012 9:00:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> brun...@hotmail.com writes:
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> Hello,
>
> While looking at videos on YouTube, I found one that had the following in
> the description:
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> “An instrument apparently destroyed in such large numbers on the orders of
> Henry VIII there are few around now and builders and repairers are in
> short supply.”
>
> Does anyone have know whether there is any material that supports this?
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>
> thanks,
> Kevin
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[Elizabeth Gilmore]

Heeeeyyyy!!..... some of us out here LIKE hurdy gurdys and bagpipes!

On 4/8/12, MITC...@aol.com <MITC...@aol.com> wrote:

> Well, you can hardly blame the man. I take it he tried to destroy all the
> bagpipes also...
> ;-)
> Mitch
>
>
> In a message dated 4/8/2012 9:00:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> brun...@hotmail.com writes:
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>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> While looking at videos on YouTube, I found one that had the following in
> the description:
>
> “An instrument apparently destroyed in such large numbers on the orders of
> Henry VIII there are few around now and builders and repairers are in
> short supply.”
>
> Does anyone have know whether there is any material that supports this?
>
>
> thanks,
> Kevin
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[Thomas A Frank]

That is an interesting thing to ponder.

My understanding was that Henry went after bagpipes so as to suppress Scottish nationalism. Is it possible that the fact that the HG sounds somewhat similar made it a target for the same reason?

Imagine the poor HG owners, mistaken for Scot's because of their sound...or did the Scot's switch to HG's to beat the bagpipe ban (I've never heard that before, anyone?), and Henry reacted?

Fascinating piece of history. I'm not even sure where to look for more in depth information on the subject!

Tom Frank

[Judith Lindenau]

In his book "The Hurdy Gurdy in Eighteenth Century France", Robert Green devotes several pages to the' fall' of the instrument.  Green thinks (see page 23) that the interest merely migrated to more rural areas outside Paris, and 'entered the general culture.'  In particular, Greene notes the rise of luthiers in Jenzat.  However, interest in the instrument continued a gradual decline as a result of a waning interest in folk music in general.

That's a far less dramatic picture than have always pictured of a blazing bonfire with a pile of gilt-encrusted lutebacks.

Or even bagpipes.

judith lindenau

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[Roy Trotter]

Uhm, ,,, No.
I am familiar with them HENRY VIII = THE DEVIL stories, but haven't  heard them much since the decline of radical feminism in the mid-seventies. Even the radical Celtic-ism people ... (no, I'm not talking about basketball fans ... ) (Anyway...) They don't single him out as that evil. It wouldn't have had much effect anyway.
Henry VIII was an English King.
Hurdy Gurdy wasn't very popular in England at the time.
Sometimes things that go on in England also go on in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.... but not necessarily because the English King said so ...

My dis - recall of any such event doesn't mean it never happened, but I sincerely doubt it.
My books are unavailable these days, but I seem to remember that there were a couple HG's left over in his collection ...  (after his demise, not "after the burning")

I could be wrong, tho' . This seems to be one of them apocryphal  stories. There are some people who think that they can make up a lie to un- failably sell something (e.g.) "If we can link Hurdy Gurdys to Henry VIII 's unpopularity, we can sell these items BIG TIME!!!".

I would (did) buy a Gurdy on its own merit, but not because some foreign king may have disliked it. But that's just me ... Do it or not within your conscience.... IT'S YOUR CONSCIENCE ...  (unless it's illegal in your area....)

[Kevin Hughes]

I  suppose I should have been more precise with my question and asked if anyone knew of any evidence of Henry VIII ordering the destruction of hurdy gurdies, in England.  The statement quoted sounded like bs to me, and I am well aware that there are many hurdy gurdy makers out there.  I'm also aware that Henry VIII was the king of England (from 1509 until 1547), and so was not surmising from original statement that it was referring to destruction of hurdy gurdies anywhere other than in England.
 

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Subject: Re: [HG-new] Henry VIII and the hurdy gurdy
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[Jon Redpath]

I have NEVER heard of this EVER, but I've only lived in Britain for 65 years. Anyone at many periods could be hanged for playing bagpipes after proscribed hours. Technically any Scot can still have this punishment for playing them anytime in Carlisle ( an English City). From my research here in Scotland the HG was only minimally popular around the time of Mary Queen of Scots.

  Henry VIII and his RC chums (who were illegal to anyone at that time) wrote some fabulous music. Like many English or Scots monarchs they were not as bad as the history books portrayed them.   JON

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[Elizabeth Gilmore]

Henry VIII wrote some wonderful music!!

[Jon Redpath]

Yes Henry VIII was a prolific writer of excellent music

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[Geoff Turner]

Having read my way through this thread, I can only say that the usual amount of myth seems to be at work here. Although I am willing to be corrected, there is no evidence that H-Gs were any more or less popular at this time that at any other. They were still being carved in churches in the early Tudor period (shown in Palmer's book), and being mentioned in English literature (see Passtyme of Pleasure, published originally in 1506, but still being published in the 1550s), but at this time it is being called a Cymphan in England or Sumphion in Scotland.
I know of no evidence of them being proscribed at all in England. Earlier posts also seem to assume that it is a French instrument. Although this is largely true nowadays, at this time it was Europe-wide, but not necessarily still a church instrument.

If anyone knows any more I would be fascinated to a) know more and b) alter my opinion.

Regards
Geoff
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Well, you can hardly blame the man. I take it he tried to destroy all the bagpipes also...
;-)
Mitch
 

In a message dated 4/8/2012 9:00:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brun...@hotmail.com writes:


 

Hello,
 
While looking at videos on YouTube, I found one that had the following in the description:
 
"An instrument apparently destroyed in such large numbers on the orders of Henry VIII there are few around now and builders and repairers are in short supply."
 
Does anyone have know whether there is any material that supports this?
 
 
thanks,
Kevin

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