8 foot door question, and beveling edges
Icarus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonx/1332624694/
My question is how long do you extend the roof panels to get the door
side to rise up to 8 feet. I assume 2 feet on each side?
Also, what angle do the edges for the same Hexayurt need to be beveled
for the wall panels and the roof panels. Obviously the door side will
be different, as I am more concerned about the other five sides.
hexa...@gmail.com
Don't do it this way. Use the H13 design instead. It's much better.
http://www.google.com/search?q=H13%20hexayurt has lots of pictures and details!
Bevels:
1. wall-to-wall boards meet at 120 degrees
2. wall-to-roof boards meet at 120 degrees
3. roof-to-roof boards meet at 150 degrees
Bevels are therefore 30 degrees on each board for the first two, and 15 for the third.
I haven't calculated the angles for the H13's extended roof in Sketchup but it only takes a minute - there's a protractor tool that measures the angle between panels. Could somebody take a crack at that please? Dylan, is there an H13 model in the sketchup model repository?
I haven't figured out the best way to do a Burning Man H13 yet, but I think it's a fairly linear extension of the standard hexayurt approach. Guy-and-anchor the 8' wall side *really* well, though - that *will* catch the wind.
The H13 hexayurt was designed by Scott Davis and Dylan Toymaker and it's my recommended design for most purposes now. I love the symmetry and absolute purity of the original hexayurt, but the H13 doorway and interior space are much more liveable - for just one more 4x8 sheet. It's a *great* piece of work.
The H13 hasn't been built at Burning Man yet, so there will be a learning curve, but I think it's the way to go!
Vinay
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Thanks,
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where is the sketchup repository?
i have a model i can clean up to post there.
i put up another h13 picture post on my blog, showing doors and
whatnot.
http://dylantoymaker.net/toybox/2011/04/27/h13-insulated-yurt-assembly/
i'll see if scott has the angle details somewhere to share.
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> Don't do it this way. Use the H13 design instead. It's much better.
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Jason Payne
The other model I posted a link to is Playa tested, and it looks sturdier, especially for the high Playa winds.
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snowfall, before the weight caused the walls to shear outward, so I'm
going to rebuild sometime this summer, and, since I'm rebuilding, I
thought I'd try the h13. Is there a printable paper model pdf
somewhere, or sketchup designs of it?
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=4424f713497456b55cec6f2fc6dab36c&prevstart=0 is everything but.
There is also rumors of a H14 ... although, that is starting to look
like a long-house and might have wind-sheer problems from one side ...
Of course, looking like a more traditional structure might make it more
acceptable ...
Thanks!
Percy
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> Do you have photos or drawings of how it failed?
I should take photos, but basically the ratcheting strap that was
holding the walls in (and transferring the force to the ground) got
broken under unfortunate circumstances, so it stayed, free-standing
except for a few drywall screws pretty much all New England winter until
the last major snowstorm in which the downward force was too much the
walls exploded outward and the roof fell straight down.
Percy
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I can't remember what materials your pentayurt was constructed of. Was it
OSB and 2x4 plus the racheting strap (nylon?)?
Thanks,
ken
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On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 16:51 -0600, ken winston caine wrote:
> Hi Percy:
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> I can't remember what materials your pentayurt was constructed of. Was it
> OSB and 2x4 plus the racheting strap (nylon?)?
Roof triangles were held together with 2x6 on the middle seam, and piano
hinges on the edges, with aluminum/tar flashing over the seams.
Sides were held by 4x4s on the inside corners, and firring straps around
the roof/wall edge. The drywall screws that were holding the OSB to the
4x4s pulled through the wood.
Never get tasty grease on the nylon ratcheting strap. Scavengers will
eat it. Even though it is nylon.
Percy
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ken winston caine
1. A way to better protect the ratcheting strap, or to replace it with
something more indestructable.
2. A way to reinforce the OSB and screwheads at drill-points. Washers come
to mind, but still might be inadequate in the 60mph gusts we get during
spring windstorms here in northern New Mexico. Maybe a furring strip or even
a steel plate would do the trick.
As I recall, snowload was a factor in this failure, too. But it wasn't a
cause, rather a contributor once the tension band failed.
How much snowload did your yurt get this winter (the max in any single
storm)?
I ask because while it's rare, we do get a 3' or 4' dump here every third
year, on average. Usually though, most winter storms drop less than a foot.
Our snow is much drier and lighter than yours (until it begins melting and
icing and compacting), if yours is anything like the snow I knew on the East
Coast around NYC lattitude. Two feet of your snow might be equal in weight
to 4' of ours. I am curious how well the design handled serious snowload.
Appreciate that quick response, by the way.
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On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 19:09 -0600, ken winston caine wrote:
> So, the challenges are:
>
> 1. A way to better protect the ratcheting strap, or to replace it with
> something more indestructable.
Yes, I'm looking at aircraft cable, or other stranded metal cable, like
I use for my more traditional ger.
> 2. A way to reinforce the OSB and screwheads at drill-points. Washers come
> to mind, but still might be inadequate in the 60mph gusts we get during
> spring windstorms here in northern New Mexico. Maybe a furring strip or even
> a steel plate would do the trick.
It wasn't sideways force that caused it to fail, the design is such that
unless the 60mph gusts are coming from inside the hexayurt, whichever
side or corner is being pushed inward, thus not straining the screws in
the slightest. You might have to anchor it really well, so it doesn't
scoot, as a whole, across the yard, but the structure seems
well-designed against wind.
> As I recall, snowload was a factor in this failure, too. But it wasn't a
> cause, rather a contributor once the tension band failed.
Well the tensioner failed, just before the last of the major storms in
February, where there was already a snow load, and another 10 hours of
storm dropped more snow, basucally bringing our accumulation over 90
inches that it weathered for the winter.
>
> How much snowload did your yurt get this winter (the max in any single
> storm)?
about 35" in accumulation, without a problem, earlier in the winter.
> I ask because while it's rare, we do get a 3' or 4' dump here every third
> year, on average. Usually though, most winter storms drop less than a foot.
> Our snow is much drier and lighter than yours (until it begins melting and
> icing and compacting), if yours is anything like the snow I knew on the East
> Coast around NYC lattitude. Two feet of your snow might be equal in weight
> to 4' of ours. I am curious how well the design handled serious snowload.
And that was heavy, wet snow, in blizzard conditions.
> Appreciate that quick response, by the way.
Not a problem. *grin*
> Thanks,
> ken
Percy
Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project)
when it was up, and now?
If you don't have a blog to document on, you could do a page on
appropedia, or even easier, a Google Doc that's set to be publically
accessible.
Useful lessons there to learn, and thank you for letting us know what
happened to it! I do need to set u the Hexayurt Failures page on
Appropedia too, where we can capture this stuff and learn from it.
Best,
Vinay
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There is also rumors of a H14 ... although, that is starting to look
like a long-house and might have wind-sheer problems from one side ...