Harmony History
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Geo
May 4, 2012, 12:32:35 PM5/4/12
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Take a look at what Starwood / Harmony Development Company has on their
website about the history of Harmony (as of today):
Our History
http://www.webcitation.org/67PbayTyt
As you can see (and taking into consideration that the Harmony CDD was
established in March of 2000), the developer's record of Harmony's history
is somewhat thin. It might take folks an average of about 45 seconds to read
in its entirety.
As a point of comparison, this newsgroup has been in existence for just more
than half of Harmony's history (since March of 2006). Yet Starwood's very
first version of the developer's new website (after taking over from the
Lentzes) only made its debut in April of 2007 (including the history page).
So here's a question for Jim Warren.
Would you agree that the content of this forum represents a significantly
more complete record of Harmony's history than what is represented on the
developer's website?
website about the history of Harmony (as of today):
Our History
http://www.webcitation.org/67PbayTyt
As you can see (and taking into consideration that the Harmony CDD was
established in March of 2000), the developer's record of Harmony's history
is somewhat thin. It might take folks an average of about 45 seconds to read
in its entirety.
As a point of comparison, this newsgroup has been in existence for just more
than half of Harmony's history (since March of 2006). Yet Starwood's very
first version of the developer's new website (after taking over from the
Lentzes) only made its debut in April of 2007 (including the history page).
So here's a question for Jim Warren.
Would you agree that the content of this forum represents a significantly
more complete record of Harmony's history than what is represented on the
developer's website?
Jim Warren
May 4, 2012, 1:28:23 PM5/4/12
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George,
No.
The Harmony website is not meant to be a chronological record of grievances,
like this forum. It is a company website.
Would your company website provide a full list of issues it had since day 1?
In the same way that this forum rarely portrays the good the Community and
its developer brings.
Jim
No.
The Harmony website is not meant to be a chronological record of grievances,
like this forum. It is a company website.
Would your company website provide a full list of issues it had since day 1?
In the same way that this forum rarely portrays the good the Community and
its developer brings.
Jim
Geo
May 4, 2012, 7:14:16 PM5/4/12
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Jim, please don't take offense. But either you did not understand my
question or I did not understand your answer.
Bear in mind that I was not referring to the entire developer website. Just
their page titled "Our History" (meaning the history of Harmony).
George asked:
Would you agree that the content of this forum
represents a significantly more complete record of
Harmony's history than what is represented on the
developer's website?
Jim answered:
No.
I know that you also added some explanation, but your basic answer was "No."
So unless I totally misunderstood you Jim, your answer means that the
history page on the developer's website is a more complete record of the
history of Harmony than this forum is.
Did I misunderstand you?
question or I did not understand your answer.
Bear in mind that I was not referring to the entire developer website. Just
their page titled "Our History" (meaning the history of Harmony).
George asked:
Would you agree that the content of this forum
represents a significantly more complete record of
Harmony's history than what is represented on the
developer's website?
No.
I know that you also added some explanation, but your basic answer was "No."
So unless I totally misunderstood you Jim, your answer means that the
history page on the developer's website is a more complete record of the
history of Harmony than this forum is.
Did I misunderstand you?
Jim Warren(Home)
May 4, 2012, 7:25:31 PM5/4/12
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Yes you mis understood, and I probably did not fully expalin my reasoning.
Both are devoid of full content, and inaccurate. It would be unfair to pick
one over the other.
But as I stated, it is not fair to put a company website up against a forum
in terms of content.
Both are devoid of full content, and inaccurate. It would be unfair to pick
one over the other.
But as I stated, it is not fair to put a company website up against a forum
in terms of content.
Geo
May 4, 2012, 7:50:00 PM5/4/12
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When you say the developer's history page is inaccurate, I assume that you
don't mean it's completely inaccurate. It must have some elements of truth
to it.
Since you believe the developer's history page is not completely accurate,
do you think that it should be removed?
don't mean it's completely inaccurate. It must have some elements of truth
to it.
Since you believe the developer's history page is not completely accurate,
do you think that it should be removed?
Jim Warren(Home)
May 5, 2012, 7:49:39 AM5/5/12
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I meant inaccurate as it is not a full history, just a brief synopsis.
The developers webpage is sufficient as far as I am concerned, and have no
problem with it.
Why would I think it should be removed?
Please stop the pointless questions George. if you have a point to make,
just make it, and stop pussy footing around.
The Harmony website is fine.
The developers webpage is sufficient as far as I am concerned, and have no
problem with it.
Why would I think it should be removed?
Please stop the pointless questions George. if you have a point to make,
just make it, and stop pussy footing around.
The Harmony website is fine.
Geo
May 6, 2012, 9:31:05 PM5/6/12
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Jim wrote:
The developers webpage is sufficient as far as I am
concerned, and have no problem with it.
Why would I think it should be removed?
I agree Jim. The developer's history page about Harmony shouldn't be
The developers webpage is sufficient as far as I am
concerned, and have no problem with it.
Why would I think it should be removed?
removed. Although it's just a brief and incomplete synopsis, Starwood /
Harmony Development Company has every right to present its version of
Harmony's history. Even if hackers could somehow prevent potential Harmony
home buyers from viewing the developer's Harmony history page, they
shouldn't. That would be wrong.
George asked:
Would you agree that the content of this forum
represents a significantly more complete record of
Harmony's history than what is represented on the
developer's website?
Jim wrote:
Both are devoid of full content, and inaccurate. It
would be unfair to pick one over the other.
But as I stated, it is not fair to put a company
website up against a forum in terms of content.
I'm not sure what you think is unfair Jim. But I am sure that there is
Both are devoid of full content, and inaccurate. It
would be unfair to pick one over the other.
But as I stated, it is not fair to put a company
website up against a forum in terms of content.
really no comparison between the developer's representation of Harmony's
history and the actual history of Harmony that is documented in this forum.
A partial list of topics from this forum appears below. As you can see, it
presents a substantial record of what has been going on in and around
Harmony since 2006. It's much more than just grievances about the
developer's shortcomings.
Even if you think that some of the information is incomplete or inaccurate
Jim, I hope you can agree that everyone has the right to read this history
and make up their own minds about its relevance without interference from
anyone else (as is true of the developer's website).
Initial Harmony Grievances http://tinyurl.com/ydqvzzl
Old Developer Web Pages http://tinyurl.com/7xhvrd7
$75,000,000 Sales Agreement http://tinyurl.com/26xab4o
Charter School Dissolved http://tinyurl.com/2cjb6w7
School Transition Questions http://tinyurl.com/7cfhp7j
Final Charter School FCATs http://tinyurl.com/czm5qh2
Osceola County on NPR http://tinyurl.com/75bwcx3
Sentry Management Fired http://tinyurl.com/82hbmrf
First Residents on CDD http://tinyurl.com/c9zbdep
Kittens Available http://tinyurl.com/7eyvglc
Developer Garden Anticipated http://tinyurl.com/cta2f2x
New Harmony Fire Station http://tinyurl.com/7lc8dho
Harmony Horse Amenity http://tinyurl.com/y8e5tkj
Rays Walls CDD Announcement http://tinyurl.com/2vt5f3a
Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson in Harmony http://tinyurl.com/2g59w9f
CDD Supervisor Berube Joins Us http://tinyurl.com/7rc3haq
Florida Sunshine Law http://tinyurl.com/7d84qrh
Questioning the Developer http://tinyurl.com/327fk63
Wikipedia Vandalized http://tinyurl.com/dx7e8v7
Falsified CDD Public Records http://tinyurl.com/29pu945
Harmony Fire Station Closing http://tinyurl.com/7lp7oa8
Fire Station Letter and Replies http://tinyurl.com/8xbabn7
Developer Tracking Residents http://tinyurl.com/2aykv4t
County Commissioner Hawkins Joins Us http://tinyurl.com/24lsoco
School Board Member Long Joins Us http://tinyurl.com/725fkps
Mold in Harmony Schools http://tinyurl.com/7v7cbr7
Firefighter Adam Seithel Joins Us http://tinyurl.com/7p8oses
Osceola School Grades http://tinyurl.com/6zg3byt
Barely Usable CDD Public Records http://tinyurl.com/88pyp5u
Illegitimate CDD Chairman http://tinyurl.com/2a2pr63
Saving Harmony's Fire Station http://tinyurl.com/2csavgg
Harmony's Fire Station Saved http://tinyurl.com/86vufjp
Developer Blocks Family Emails http://tinyurl.com/845ayvb
School District News http://tinyurl.com/7lcoj52
Carl Cricket's Anonymous Blog http://tinyurl.com/8x4rqhk
Osceola Exam Cheating http://tinyurl.com/7z8fy4h
Dishonorable Society http://tinyurl.com/66y79sh
Osceola County Superintendent Search http://tinyurl.com/7gx9njs
Harmony Water Problems 1 http://tinyurl.com/5vpaktq
Harmony Water Problems 2 http://tinyurl.com/5uc7nqb
Toho Water's Mary Guidone Joins Us http://tinyurl.com/76xl8vt
Toho Water Retracts Independent Water Test http://tinyurl.com/867nvk9
School Board Member Long Leaves Us http://tinyurl.com/7napz2h
School Board Members http://tinyurl.com/7gona3j
School Board Public Records Removed http://tinyurl.com/75qoaff
Developer Public Service Emails http://tinyurl.com/6tc2xc9
Harmony House Fire Tests Station 54 http://tinyurl.com/7c32hvc
State Attorney Candidate Sets Precedent http://tinyurl.com/6oc2cqw
School Board Member Wheeler Joins Us http://tinyurl.com/7c5rppy
Jay Wheeler is Censured http://tinyurl.com/82uxllk
"Pink Slime" in Osceola Schools http://tinyurl.com/8yjhtks
Hartig Resigns School Board Chair http://tinyurl.com/6rwyrho
Major Potential Harmony CDD Turnover http://tinyurl.com/75f3ej7
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