Writing down what we want

[Maria - Milla (Alchemilla Digitalis)]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ngidRXXYP_eUs9nHKTl8jL699h8ukhyEEKFhsvS99BI/edit?hl=sv&authkey=CLL6gusL

This is what I do in my day job. (And I scared Ben with it... hehe)

I would like this document do record on a reasonably high level what
the system should do, from the point of view of users.

Another document should record how the community wants to use the
system, I think. Like policies, procedures, processes and stuff. This
document isn't for those things.

Can I ask some people to join me?

I tried putting something on hootoo, but I am horrible at GuideML, so
I hope this google document helps instead.

Maria

[Peet42]

The one thing I would insist on is that never again will any changes that result in loss of functionality to the end user be described as an "upgrade".

[Mrs Zen / a broad called Ben]

Bloody etch-a-sketch made me select 2 stars instead of 4 stars.

[Maria - Milla (Alchemilla Digitalis)]

Does that link up there work?
M

On 30 Jan, 12:28, "Mrs Zen / a broad called Ben"

[Vip - sleeping]

It's an incredible document. And I have absolutely no idea what else to contribute. You've already picked up the ACE stuff that we were talking about - thanks.

I've not posted on h2g2 because I didn't want to clutter up the thread.

Vip

[h2g2 Community Consortium]

The front page should contain a section with links to great writing that isn't non-fiction. 

[Maria - Milla (Alchemilla Digitalis)]

is it ok if I call that UnderGuide entries? I know there is much
discussion on it around hootoo and h2g2c2, -c3.

M

On 1 Feb, 23:13, h2g2 Community Consortium

<h2g2communityconsort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The front page should contain a section with links to great writing that
> isn't non-fiction.
>

[Timothy Green]

Good work.

1.3.4 is not a full sentence: "It must be possible to search for".

1.4.9 typo: "The user must proved a valid e-mail address" (should be "provide").

You may find http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A23908151 helpful for a
list of current (pre-barlesque) site functionality.

TRiG.

[MartinBzm]

Hi Maria,
Good job!
I'd like to propose a similar document to facilitate the organisation
of the "The Great Migration", to record all the 'under the water'
stuff needed to migrate, host and maintain the site.
I can help fill it, and I believe there are more techies here that
could lend a hand or paw.

I think I just heard a dolphin whistle...

Cheers!
Martin
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On 29 jan, 23:28, "Maria - Milla (Alchemilla Digitalis)"
<maria.beng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ngidRXXYP_eUs9nHKTl8jL699h8ukhyEE...

[steve dunkley]

I agree that the front page should link to non-factual entries. I think this could be a very good draw/selling point for the guide.

Pastey

[steve dunkley]

not too sure about 2.1.7, the problem with allowing users to include images from an upload is that there's no control over it really. sort of.

it could open up a whole can of copyright/legal worms. Plus it'd kill a lot of bandwidth with users uploading stupidly large files that would then kill the processors resizing them down.

I agree there should be a method to get user images into the guide, but I think a better solution would be to have a proper Guide Image Library. Have it on a separate server, allow users to upload images there. And then have them go through an approval process (a quick tick box by an admin should do) at which point the images get moved over to the main image servers and become available.

So, I suppose yes the wording is sort of right, but I think I'd be tempted to change it to "It should be possible for users to submit images for inclusion in the h2g2 image library" or something.

We'd also need to keep an eye on the amount of diskspace it all uses. do we restrict that to "for illustrating guide entries" so that it's not just a load of photos of their dog.

Pastey

[steve dunkley]

ditto with videos

[MartinBzm]

Ummm... would we want to allow for external links to pics/videos ?
Displaying a thumbnail in the guide ?

Cheers!
Martin
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On 2 feb, 16:21, steve dunkley <steve.dunk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ditto with videos
>

> On 2 February 2011 15:20, steve dunkley <steve.dunk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > not too sure about 2.1.7, the problem with allowing users to include images
> > from an upload is that there's no control over it really. sort of.
> > it could open up a whole can of copyright/legal worms. Plus it'd kill a lot
> > of bandwidth with users uploading stupidly large files that would then kill
> > the processors resizing them down.
> > I agree there should be a method to get user images into the guide, but I
> > think a better solution would be to have a proper Guide Image Library. Have
> > it on a separate server, allow users to upload images there. And then have
> > them go through an approval process (a quick tick box by an admin should do)
> > at which point the images get moved over to the main image servers and
> > become available.
>
> > So, I suppose yes the wording is sort of right, but I think I'd be tempted
> > to change it to "It should be possible for users to submit images for
> > inclusion in the h2g2 image library" or something.
>
> > We'd also need to keep an eye on the amount of diskspace it all uses. do we
> > restrict that to "for illustrating guide entries" so that it's not just a
> > load of photos of their dog.
>
> > Pastey
>

> > On 2 February 2011 15:14, steve dunkley <steve.dunk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I agree that the front page should link to non-factual entries. I think
> >> this could be a very good draw/selling point for the guide.
>
> >> Pastey
>

[h2g2 Community Consortium]

What about - we will investigate the possiblty of uploading images to the guide?

[steve dunkley]

I think so. But have a system in place to report abuse, a, what shall we call it? A "Yikes" button maybe?

:¬D

Pastey

[steve dunkley]

I think "there shall be a method for users to have images in the edited guide"

or something like that, then even if it's a case of them emailing it to the admins 

[Tavaron]

The problem is that we have to make sure that nobody just takes
pictures from google, I think. There could be copyright issues. I am
very very much for getting more pictures into the EG, don't get me
wrong.

On Feb 2, 4:33 pm, steve dunkley <steve.dunk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think "there shall be a method for users to have images in the edited
> guide"
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> or something like that, then even if it's a case of them emailing it to the
> admins
>
> On 2 February 2011 15:31, h2g2 Community Consortium <
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> h2g2communityconsort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What about - we will investigate the possiblty of uploading images to the
> > guide?
>

[steve dunkley]

I think for the EG we should have something that allows users to attach images when submitting it for peer review, and the sub-ed can check that it's okay. And if it is, add it to the h2g2 image library

Pastey

[B GILDAY]

The only way I can see that we prevent 'stolen' pictures appearing is if we only accept pictures that contributors sign for by E-Mail as 'All Their Own Work', and then pass copyright to the Guide

 

GT

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From: Tavaron <tava...@hotmail.com>
To: h2g2communityconsortium <h2g2communi...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 February, 2011 15:38:47
Subject: Re: Writing down what we want

[Mrs Zen / a broad called Ben]

How do sites like Blogger and Wordpress do it?

[steve dunkley]

Not sure about Blogger as I've never used it, but Wordpress isn't a site but a system that you install on your own hosting package. So they shunt the blame onto you.

Pastey

[Timothy Green]

Wordpress.com does host sites for people. And Gravatar.com, run by the
same company, hosts images.

TRiG.

2011/2/2 steve dunkley <steve....@gmail.com>:

[steve dunkley]

I didn't realise they also hosted. I guess I'm too used to clients saying we want a wordpress site, and then listing a whole host of stuff it can't actually do without pretty much rewriting the entire core of it.

I'll state for the record that I officially hate the loop.

(although it is getting better)

Pastey

[MartinBzm]

*random browsing*
I was just over at http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page and I
felt like something was missing...
This site has me convinced we should NOT try to stuff hootoo in a wiki
straightjacket.
Perhaps they would like to join our cause and do a transfer ?

Cheers!
Martin
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I thought I heard a Dolphin Wistle... "Like a virgin" by Madonna

[Ottox]

wordpress.org is the software, wordpress.com is blog hosting.

[Paul W. Harvey]

....or any other kind of straightjacket.

paulh

[Maria - Milla (Alchemilla Digitalis)]

Dear all,

I apologise for not having updated yet. Taking comments aboard though!
Thanks!

Milla

On 3 Feb, 16:36, "Paul W. Harvey" <pwhar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ....or any other kind of straightjacket.
>
> paulh
>

> On 2/2/11, Ottox <otto...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > wordpress.org is the software, wordpress.com is blog hosting.- Dölj citerad text -
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> - Visa citerad text -

[Maria - Milla (Alchemilla Digitalis)]

Note to self: First unread post in conversations. Click, arrive. No
need to scroll down through the posts in the list of 20 displayed.