From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
O'Donovan, PJ, Himself
September 10, 2010
HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the
Cour des Comptes audit body says.
One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in
2006.
In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health
treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles
or
contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants.
The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high
proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for
only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980,
it
paid for half.
They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75.
However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist
was
only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products.
This added up to a €160m profit for dentists.
For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the
cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195.
The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high –
€4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles
should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be
cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as
scaling and polishing.
France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ;
65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall
severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40
dentists
per 100,000 by 2030.
In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country
GLOBALIST
wrote:
You sure don't follow how many folks here have dental insurance and
losing your job and benefits, folks can not afford to go to a
dentist. Even VA does not offer dental care 'unless' you doctor can
document it as medically necessary. Ask around how many retired folks
have dental insurance. Medicare does not pay for it. Your
preoccupation with the faults of other countries, blind you to the
shittn' mess we have here.
Werner
I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well.
O'Donovan, PJ, Himself
> I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well.
Europeans have told me that when they see expensive looking dental
work they next try to determine if it belongs to an American or a
German.
Werner
This applies to you as well. I spend summers in a small village of
about 70 households in Canda. In the last couple of years a handful of
residents died of various cancers. Near as I can tell, they received
little or no treatment.
GLOBALIST
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Once again you are talking about folks with money as opposed to folks
with little money and they must refuse to go to a dentist because it
will cost them a small fortune. All you guys are saying is like our
court system, or medical system etc..."it's the best that money can
buy." That only leaves out millions and millions of Americans.
K K
"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" <pjdn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Werner
Try to pay attention. Canada has universal government health care. If
it is true that Canadian cancer patients get little of no care then it
leaves out Canadians .
Brian
<pjdn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
>bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
>crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75.
That seems to be the lab fee without an understanding that there are
other overhead costs and an implication that the dentist should be
doing it for cost.
Evelyn
"Brian" <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:40:51 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
> <pjdn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
>>bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
>>crown costs between ?275-?760 but the reimbursement is only ?75.
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> That seems to be the lab fee without an understanding that there are
> other overhead costs and an implication that the dentist should be
> doing it for cost.
Yes. It is no different here. A crown costs a great deal more than what
my insurance pays. All dental insurance seems to be like that. Dental
costs everywhere are high. I cannot see why anyone should get upset about
what is essentially the same situation everywhere. O'Donovan goes into
these issues without thinking about them. The smartest move would be to go
to another country where dental care is good in quality and cheap in price.
Some go to Mexico and some go to other countries. But you have to factor
in airfare and expenses to see if it is a worthwhile endeavor.
Best Regards,
Evelyn
John Rennie
There's one consolation. Dentists have a very high rates of
suicides - some six or seven times higher than the general
population.
Earl Evleth
> On 13/09/2010 12:53, Evelyn wrote:
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I don't think anybody has had experience with French dentists
on these groups except my wife and I. I just had some work
done before coming to Greece, my French SS covered all
but a few euros of a 180 euro bill, about 45 minutes of work.
Where they make their money is on the fancy work the
lesson is clear, take care of your teeth and you won't
need it.
Where I avoid work being done is in the USA, on one visit
there I had problem and told the American dentist
to patch it up, I'd take care of it when I got back to France.
The fear aspect of having to encounter US medical care
long has put me off on traveling there. Here I have
a card which covers me in all the EU. MY French
SS issues it.
PJ Himselff
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Obviously the Evleths are not concerned with the appearance of their
ancient septuagenarian almost octogenarian teeth.
Like my wife and myself, many of our American comtemporaries, also now
septuagenarians have invested in very expensive porcelin and gold
cappings of our teeth many years ago primarily for cosmetic reasons.
Their hero Obama has similar work done but the Evleths' chronic
Obamaphilia will prevent them from objecting in that particular
incidence of very expensive cosmetic dentistry . Those of us who have
had the work done can quickly and easily recognize it in others.
PJ Himselff
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Monday, 24 Nov 2008 Obama's Teeth: My Dentist Says His Dentist Went
Too Far
Posted By:Jane Wells
Topics:Barack Obama | Media | Print Media
Sectors:Media
"His veneers look great." That from my dentist showing me a magazine
cover of Barack Obama, pointing out what he claims is cosmetic work
done on the President-elect's upper front teeth.
"How can you tell?" I asked. He looked at me as though I'd asked, "You
mean there was an election?" He said it was obvious just looking at
Mr. Obama's mega-watt smile.
"Every (cosmetic dentist) association meeting this year will have huge
posters of Obama everywhere," he told me. He pointed to the President-
elect's canines, which my dentist said were natural, as opposed to the
front four teeth. He pointed to the striations on one tooth meant to
make it look natural. "His dentist may have gone too far there."
I asked him which Hollywood celebrity's teeth makes him nuts, teeth
he'd kill to fix. "George Clooney," he said without missing a beat.
"He looks like an old grandfather with those teeth!"
PJ Himselff
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mg
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> De France: Dental care out of reach for millions
> September 10, 2010
>
> HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the
> Cour des Comptes audit body says.
>
> One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in
> 2006.
> In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health
> treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles
> or
> contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants.
>
> The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high
> proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for
> only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980,
> it
> paid for half.
"Nearly one-half of children in the U.S. do not receive dental care in
accordance with the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry’s
recommendations of two visits per year beginning at age one. The
youngest children are the least likely to receive dental care. There
are too few dentists in the U.S. trained to treat very young children,
and too few who treat children with special health care needs or those
who have public insurance."
http://www.rikidscount.org/matriarch/documents/10_Factbook_Indicator_18.pdf
PJ Himselff
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Obama's Teeth: My Dentist Says His Dentist Went
Too Far
"His veneers look great." That from my dentist showing me a magazine
cover of Barack Obama, pointing out what he claims is cosmetic work
done on the President-elect's upper front teeth
..."Every (cosmetic dentist) association meeting this year will have
huge
posters of Obama everywhere," he told me.
...He pointed to the striations on one tooth meant to
make it look natural. "His dentist may have gone too far there."...."
Planet Visitor II
When a group supposedly created to argue the death penalty begins
obsessing about "tooth decay" we've about reached rock bottom.
Planet Visitor II
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/dictionary.html
Brian
<john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
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>There's one consolation. Dentists have a very high rates of
>suicides - some six or seven times higher than the general
>population.
Sorry to disappoint you but that isn't true. There was a study a
number of years ago that claimed a higher rate of suicide but it was
flawed.
Brian
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>The smartest move would be to go
>to another country where dental care is good in quality and cheap in price.
>Some go to Mexico and some go to other countries. But you have to factor
>in airfare and expenses to see if it is a worthwhile endeavor.
And if you have a problem after doing that, where do you go to get the
problem fixed?
Evelyn
My friends live in Mexico and they say the dental care is quite affordable
and very good quality. I go to a VERY expensive dentist here where I live.
Movie stars and famous musicians, authors, etc. are often seen there.
They do incredibly good work, and there is no way I would ever leave that
practice. I had a whole mouth restoration done a few years ago and ended
up quite happy with it. But if money had been a real object at that time,
I might have considered doing the Mexican route.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one
may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss. - Milarepa
Brian
wrote:
>My friends live in Mexico and they say the dental care is quite affordable
>and very good quality. I go to a VERY expensive dentist here where I live.
>Movie stars and famous musicians, authors, etc. are often seen there.
>They do incredibly good work, and there is no way I would ever leave that
>practice. I had a whole mouth restoration done a few years ago and ended
>up quite happy with it. But if money had been a real object at that time,
>I might have considered doing the Mexican route.
I'm sure that there are Mexican dentists who do good work but most
patients are not really able to tell.