Suspend2 is getting a new name.
Nigel Cunningham
Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
This is for a couple of reasons:
In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" is
confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to
ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
The name Suspend2 came about a couple of years ago when we made the 2.0
release and started self-hosting. If we ever get to a 3.0 release, the name
could become even more confusing! (And there are already problems with people
confusing the name with swsusp and talking about uswsusp as version 3!).
http://www.suspend2.net is still working at the moment, but we'll shift to
http://www.tuxonice.net over the next while. The wiki and bugzilla are
already done; email will remain on suspend2.net for a little while and git
trees will be renamed at the time of the next stable release.
Regards,
Nigel
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Jan Engelhardt
On Jul 2 2007 17:30, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
>
>Hi all.
>
>Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>
>This is for a couple of reasons:
>
>In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" is
>confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to
>ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
Reminds me of... (scnr)
http://www.ixsoft.de/software/products/OFTUXICE.html
http://dicey.org/b/images/s20060418_0.jpg ( http://cc314.classicgaming.gamespy.com/encyclopedia/images/enemyk1-kfrozen.gif )
and things like
http://es.tldp.org/LinuxFocus/pub/mirror/LinuxFocus/common/images/coverJanuary2003.jpg
Jan
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Nigel Cunningham
On Monday 02 July 2007 17:39:34 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>
> On Jul 2 2007 17:30, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> >
> >Hi all.
> >
> >Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> >
> >This is for a couple of reasons:
> >
> >In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend"
is
> >confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to
> >ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
>
> Reminds me of... (scnr)
> http://www.ixsoft.de/software/products/OFTUXICE.html
> http://dicey.org/b/images/s20060418_0.jpg (
This one is our existing logo. I believe Bernard made it with Blender. Guess
someone has appropriated it :\
http://cc314.classicgaming.gamespy.com/encyclopedia/images/enemyk1-kfrozen.gif )
> and things like
>
http://es.tldp.org/LinuxFocus/pub/mirror/LinuxFocus/common/images/coverJanuary2003.jpg
Cute pictures.
Should I mention other people have seen allusions to drugs? :)
Nigel
Satyam Sharma
On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <ni...@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
Hmm, FunkyMixedCase name ...
<tongue-firmly-in-cheek>
.. hope this'll make it work on my laptop too :-)
[ Is there a prize for posting waaay off-topic messages? ]
BTW, TuxOnIce is a better choice for name than some variation of
"Hibernate", from a biological perspective too -- as everybody already
knows, penguins never quite hibernate, but spend the entire rough
Antarctic winter bunched up in a group on the surface (ice) itself ...
Satyam
Fabio Comolli
On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <ni...@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>
Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
will be a much better choice?
> Regards,
>
> Nigel
Just my 2 (euro)cents.
Best regards,
Fabio
Oliver Neukum
> Hi.
>
> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <ni...@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> >
>
> Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> will be a much better choice?
Yes, you are the only person. "Hibernate" is the concept. The separate
implementations also need names.
Regards
Oliver
Renato S. Yamane
> Am Montag, 2. Juli 2007 schrieb Fabio Comolli:
>> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <ni...@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
>>> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>>
>> Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
>> will be a much better choice?
>
> Yes, you are the only person. "Hibernate" is the concept. The separate
> implementations also need names.
TuxOnIce sounds like a "game" :-)
But I don't see any problem with this.
Regards,
Renato
Alon Bar-Lev
> Hi.
>
> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <ni...@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> >
>
> Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> will be a much better choice?
No you are not the only one :)
Best Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.
Fabio Comolli
On 7/2/07, Alon Bar-Lev <alon....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/2/07, Fabio Comolli <fabio....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <ni...@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> > >
> >
> > Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> > will be a much better choice?
>
> No you are not the only one :)
Ah, OK. I was beginning to think that something (more than usual) was
wrong with me. Maybe one day someone at alsa-project will decide that
my sound card driver's name will change from snd_intel8x0 to
"TheEmperorsCry" ;-)
>
> Best Regards,
> Alon Bar-Lev.
>
Regards,
Fabio
Bill Davidsen
> Hi all.
>
> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>
> This is for a couple of reasons:
>
> In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" is
> confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to
> ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
>
> The name Suspend2 came about a couple of years ago when we made the 2.0
> release and started self-hosting. If we ever get to a 3.0 release, the name
> could become even more confusing! (And there are already problems with people
> confusing the name with swsusp and talking about uswsusp as version 3!).
>
> http://www.suspend2.net is still working at the moment, but we'll shift to
> http://www.tuxonice.net over the next while. The wiki and bugzilla are
> already done; email will remain on suspend2.net for a little while and git
> trees will be renamed at the time of the next stable release.
>
"suspend with working resume" project is still active, the bad news is
that making provisions for long term out of mainline operation sounds as
if you have no hope of getting this code into the mainline kernel. :-(
--
Bill Davidsen <davi...@tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
Nigel Cunningham
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 05:18:39 Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> >
> > This is for a couple of reasons:
> >
> > In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend"
is
> > confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending
to
> > ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
> >
> > The name Suspend2 came about a couple of years ago when we made the 2.0
> > release and started self-hosting. If we ever get to a 3.0 release, the
name
> > could become even more confusing! (And there are already problems with
people
> > confusing the name with swsusp and talking about uswsusp as version 3!).
> >
> > http://www.suspend2.net is still working at the moment, but we'll shift to
> > http://www.tuxonice.net over the next while. The wiki and bugzilla are
> > already done; email will remain on suspend2.net for a little while and git
> > trees will be renamed at the time of the next stable release.
> >
> I guess this is "good news, bad news" time. The good news is that the
> "suspend with working resume" project is still active, the bad news is
> that making provisions for long term out of mainline operation sounds as
> if you have no hope of getting this code into the mainline kernel. :-(
Let's not turn this into a flamewar, please. This is just a name change,
nothing more.
As far as I know, the desire on Rafael's part and mine is still to get at
least some of the functionality merged. The only reason this isn't happening
yet is that we're both busy with other aspects of the work. Rafael is
focussing on infrastructure issues, I'm focussing on minimising the diff and
finishing off cleaning up and adding comments to functions.
Regards,
Nigel
Mail List
On Monday 02 July 2007 03:11:52 pm Fabio Comolli wrote:
> > > Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> > > will be a much better choice?
> >
> > No you are not the only one :)
I like the frozen name - but similar to you, if the name suspendX and
hibernate are confusing in not distinguishing ram from disk perhaps one could
do something obvious like:
hibernate_2_ram
hibernate_2_disk
or something shorter ... perhaps involving Ice and twist ?? ;-)
gene/
Rafael J. Wysocki
That's correct, thanks for saying this!
My first target is to introduce a framework allowing drivers to have different
callbacks for hibernation and suspend. Unfortunately, that turned out to
require quite a lot of work - and time - to do.
Greetings,
Rafael
--
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth
Pavel Machek
> [ Shamelessly off-topic, but SCNR myself ]
>
> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <ni...@nigel.suspend2.net>
> wrote:
> >Hi all.
> >
> >Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>
> Hmm, FunkyMixedCase name ...
>
> <tongue-firmly-in-cheek>
> ... hope this'll make it work on my laptop too :-)
>
> [ Is there a prize for posting waaay off-topic messages?
> ]
>
> BTW, TuxOnIce is a better choice for name than some
> variation of
> "Hibernate", from a biological perspective too -- as
> everybody already
> knows, penguins never quite hibernate, but spend the
> entire rough
> Antarctic winter bunched up in a group on the surface
> (ice) itself ...
Ugh, can I use it as an excuse for broken hibernation?
Linus is responsible when he used the penguin logo! Penguins just do
not hibernate! :-).
..OTOH penguins do sleep, so I guess I should be working hard on
fixing that :-).
Pavel
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