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Good S@@t
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Albert Thompson
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I think you're referring to sodium borate as a buffer for electrophoresis. If memory serves, you want around 19.17g/L of borax.
Expect ladders and PCRs to run a bit quickly unless you dialyse them or leave them in the well to let the salt diffuse. It's about 50 times cheaper than tbe or tae though, and it interferes less with downstream reactions with purified DNA etc.
On 9 Mar 2011 17:17, "C.R.S." <edwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow!, Thank you very much. This saves me a lot of time. I had planned to go to the Medical library here in Houston to look up methodologies. I remember reading somewhere about a much simpler borate buffer without tris that was cheaper and works better. Ed in Houston
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Here is the lab manu...
Borate inhibits ligase, so if you're planning on extracting a band and
ligating it, use TAE instead of SB (sodium borate) or TBE.
SB works well for bands under 3kb. Over 3kb the bands are very
diffuse and blurred together.
Under 3kb SB is great - you can run the gel in ~15 minutes and the gel
stays very cool.
-Cory
Awesome useful man, thanks! I'll know to avoid it now, I was gonna use it to prep my new plasmid and would have wasted a lot of DNA trying..
On 9 Mar 2011 18:18, "Cory Tobin" <cory....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think you're referring to sodium borate as a buffer for electrophoresis.
> If memory serves, you...
Borate inhibits ligase, so if you're planning on extracting a band and
ligating it, use TAE instead of SB (sodium borate) or TBE.
SB works well for bands under 3kb. Over 3kb the bands are very
diffuse and blurred together.
Under 3kb SB is great - you can run the gel in ~15 minutes and the gel
stays very cool.
-Cory
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The nice thing about SB is that it's dirt cheap for DIY bio compared
to tris/edta buffers.
Re: band compression:
I noticed this reference that suggested making the SB buffer up at pH
6.5 in order to prevent high-MW compression. Making the SB buffer at
pH 6.5 gives me nicely resolved bands all the way up to about 10kb
and I'm now using it all the time (and running at 250V+ typically
takes 10min to get good resolution).
The Lithium borate buffer version would probably be even better, but I
haven't gotten any LiOH to try it out yet.
-Anselm
I usually use the Qiagen gel extraction kit. I did a side by side
with TBE vs TAE, extracted a 2.5kb fragment from the gel, ligated
(cohesive ends) into a 3.5kb plasmid and transformed into Invitrogen
Top10 cells, 3 replicates. TBE gave 32% +/- 8% fewer colonies. With
cohesive ends this isn't much of a problem because you'll have plenty
of colonies. With blunt ends a 30% decrease could be a problem just
because there are very few colonies to begin with. But I found that
during the column purification if I do 2 washes with the QG buffer and
2 washes with PE, the problems goes away.
> Re: band compression:
> I noticed this reference that suggested making the SB buffer up at pH
> 6.5 in order to prevent high-MW compression. Making the SB buffer at
> pH 6.5 gives me nicely resolved bands all the way up to about 10kb
> and I'm now using it all the time (and running at 250V+ typically
> takes 10min to get good resolution).
Great news! I'll try that out this afternoon.
-Cory
Great advice, thanks Anselm! Any idea how to deal with differences in salt between minipreps, PCRs, ladders?
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ethanol precipitation? the lab manual I posted says to adjust the
volume to 0.1mM NaCl, then add two volumes of ice cold EtOH, ice for
15 mins, then centrifuge for 20 mins and decant, dry, resuspend in
buffer
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amounts and concentrations.
-Nathan