QuickSilver firmware?
Erik Richard Sørensen
Cna anyone point me to a download link to the QuickSilver firmware 5.3.3f1.
I have 2 QSs - one already upgraded to a Dual G4/1,8ghz with firmware
version 4.2.8f1 (2002) and right now I'm upgrading the last one -
originally a 867mhz (late 2002), firmware 5.3.3f1 - to a Dual G4/2,0ghz.
Both are with 133mhz motherboard and PC-133 RAM modules.
I'd of course like both machines to have latest firmware and have
trawled the Apple sites without luck. Does anyone know, where I can find
and download the ver. 5.3.3? - Or does someone have it at hand, then I'd
be pleased, if you could send it to me. Please use this address:
<erikrichard_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> (remove _NOSPM_ to make it valid).
TIA, Cheers, ERik Richard
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Clever Monkey
> Cna anyone point me to a download link to the QuickSilver firmware 5.3.3f1.
>
> I have 2 QSs - one already upgraded to a Dual G4/1,8ghz with firmware
> version 4.2.8f1 (2002) and right now I'm upgrading the last one -
> originally a 867mhz (late 2002), firmware 5.3.3f1 - to a Dual G4/2,0ghz.
> Both are with 133mhz motherboard and PC-133 RAM modules.
>
> I'd of course like both machines to have latest firmware and have
> trawled the Apple sites without luck. Does anyone know, where I can find
> and download the ver. 5.3.3? - Or does someone have it at hand, then I'd
> be pleased, if you could send it to me. Please use this address:
> <erikrichard_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> (remove _NOSPM_ to make it valid).
>
firmware upgrade for Quicksilvers made publicly available. In fact, I
believe that there was no firmware upgrade made available for any G4
model after the "Digital Audio" model that was released prior to the
original Quicksilver.
See here: <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117>
If you need a firmware to all an original Quicksilver to boot with dual
CPUs you might be out of luck (if it is required). I know the
after-market CPU upgrades only go to 1.8Ghz and require a kernel
extension to work. Even so, there were some G4 AGP machines shipped
that cannot boot dual-CPUs at all because they use a specific ASIC that
cannot work with MP systems.
Erik Richard Sørensen
Clever Monkey wrote:
> Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>> Can anyone point me to a download link to the QuickSilver firmware
>> 5.3.3f1.
>>
>> I have 2 QSs - one already upgraded to a Dual G4/1,8ghz with firmware
>> version 4.2.8f1 (2002) and right now I'm upgrading the last one -
>> originally a 867mhz (late 2002), firmware 5.3.3f1 - to a Dual
>> G4/2,0ghz. Both are with 133mhz motherboard and PC-133 RAM modules.
>>
>> I'd of course like both machines to have latest firmware and have
>> trawled the Apple sites without luck. Does anyone know, where I can
>> find and download the ver. 5.3.3? - Or does someone have it at hand,
>> then I'd be pleased, if you could send it to me. Please use this
>> address: <erikrichard_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> (remove _NOSPM_ to make it
>> valid).
>
> I'm not entirely sure, but my understanding is that there was no
> firmware upgrade for Quicksilvers made publicly available. In fact, I
> believe that there was no firmware upgrade made available for any G4
> model after the "Digital Audio" model that was released prior to the
> original Quicksilver.
>
> See here: <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117>
Yes, there are differnt available firmware upgrades on the Apple sites -
both for use with PCIGraphics, DigitalAudio, GigabitEthernet and the
early QuickSilver models. - Fx. can you easily find and download the 'G4
Firmware Update 4.2.8/4.2.9'. I just did this for my Sawtooth G4, which
is upgraded to a Dual G4/1,4ghz (orig. firmware 4.0.9) and the one Qs,
which had the firmware 4.0.9 (late 2001, early 2002). But the last
bought has a firmware 5.3.3f1 (oct. 2002).
Actually I don't need the 5.3.3 to upgrade, but the newer and better
firmware, the better they'll run.
> If you need a firmware to all an original Quicksilver to boot with dual
> CPUs you might be out of luck (if it is required).
This isn't quite true. It depends on the type of CPUs that you wanna put
into the machine. - Sonnet, PowerLogix and FastMac all require a kernel
extension (OS X) or a normal driver extension (OS 9.x), but processors
from GigaDesigns are fully native and require no drivers/extension. The
only thing you need is to change some information in the OS X kernel and
a new PRAM for both OS 9.x and X. The new PRAM is needed, if you want to
keep the possibility of being able to boot hte machine into OS 9.2.2.
> I know the after-market CPU upgrades only go to 1.8Ghz and require
> a kernel extension to work. Even so, there were some G4 AGP
> machines shipped that cannot boot dual-CPUs at all because they
> use a specific ASIC that cannot work with MP systems.
That is not correct. I can get G4 Cpus up to 2.2ghz from both Sonnet,
GigaDesigns and PowerLogix. I chose the GigaDesigns processors due to
the fact that they are fully native without any further extensions.
I have through the years now bought many GigaDesigns single and dual
CPUs and installed into older G4 Macs. The one in this here is a Dual
G4/1,8-2,0ghz, set to 1,8ghz, but in the last one, I'll have it set to
the full 2.0ghz.
And the GigaDesigns CPUs are not 'after-market' CPUs. They are infact
further developments of the "3rd Generation G4 CPUs" that Apple dropped
even before they were really getting in production, at the time Apple
changed to the G5 CPUs, so these processors are fully native FreeScale.
- Opposite the Sonnet, PowerLogix and FastMac, which are further
developments of the '2nd Generation G4' CPUs.
Cheers, Erik Richard
dorayme
Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
> Hei Clever
>
> Clever Monkey wrote:
> > Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
> >> Can anyone point me to a download link to the QuickSilver firmware
> >> 5.3.3f1.
> >>
>
With all this talk about firmware, Erik, should I be worried mine
is what it is, unchanged since I got the machine? I mean, I like
to be up there with the leading pack, sort of cunningly towards
the back of this pack, ready to strike to win in the last stretch.
Machine Name: Power Mac G4
Machine Model: PowerMac3,5
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 933 MHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 133 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.3.3f2
Serial Number: SG212B47MDN
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dorayme
Clever Monkey
updates for any model of what they call Quicksilver anywhere. The only
thing I recall having to apply was the DVD firmware update and a
potential fixed-disk driver thingy that never did anything on my G4.
As I said, I've never seen or heard of a firmware upgrade for
Quicksilvers. According to Apple, no G4 Mac has needed a user-applied
firmware upgrade since the Digital Audio model. However, this might
just be for the specific case of "need firmware to run OS X" and there
are other actual upgrades tucked away somewhere.
>> I know the after-market CPU upgrades only go to 1.8Ghz and require
>> a kernel extension to work. Even so, there were some G4 AGP
>> machines shipped that cannot boot dual-CPUs at all because they
>> use a specific ASIC that cannot work with MP systems.
>
> That is not correct. I can get G4 Cpus up to 2.2ghz from both Sonnet,
> GigaDesigns and PowerLogix. I chose the GigaDesigns processors due to
> the fact that they are fully native without any further extensions.
>
I had the dual-CPU models in mind, as this is what was mentioned in the
OP. I've only seen the Sonnet duals, which only go to 1.8Ghz. Perhaps
other vendors have other solutions. I actually meant to say "I haven't
seen an after-market dual CPU kit that was higher than 1.8Ghz". At any
rate, my comments were simply speculative since I didn't know exactly
what you were up to.
As for the firmware updates, I've never seen or heard of a system
firmware upgrade for any model of Quicksilver, at least since I
purchased my G4 back in '02.
Erik Richard Sørensen
dorayme wrote:
> Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>> Clever Monkey wrote:
>>> Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>>>> Can anyone point me to a download link to the QuickSilver firmware
>>>> 5.3.3f1.
>
> With all this talk about firmware, Erik, should I be worried mine
> is what it is, unchanged since I got the machine? I mean, I like
> to be up there with the leading pack, sort of cunningly towards
> the back of this pack, ready to strike to win in the last stretch.
No, not for the time being. The only 'problem', which might not even
occour could be that a certain firmware version will not be able to run
the Leopard 10.5. But IF so, I also think that Apple will release a new
firmware update for the G4s...
> Machine Name: Power Mac G4
> Machine Model: PowerMac3,5
> CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
> Number Of CPUs: 1
> CPU Speed: 933 MHz
> L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
> L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
> Memory: 1 GB
> Bus Speed: 133 MHz
> Boot ROM Version: 4.3.3f2
With this version of the firmware, you will even be able to upgrade the
CPU to the fastest ever Dual G4 2,2ghz from PowerLogix or the native
running GigaDesigns 7447A Dual G4/2,0ghz. This since you're using common
PC-133 RAM due to the motherboard... These CPUs require a 133mhz
motherboard...
So no real need to worry, since it is newer than the ver. 4.0.9 from the
first QuickSilver. And in practice I don't even think that we can mark
any differences, if firmware is newer than the 4.1.9f1, which according
to both Apple and GigaDesigns will be the lowest version to run 100%
with fx. OS X 10.4.x Tiger.
I had a B&W G3/400, upgraded to a G3/900mhz with firmware 3.2.2f1. I
could install Tiger, but I couldn't get the machine to run Tiger. It
stopped in the middle of the bootprocess with a kernel panic. Then I
just reformatted the disk, installed 10.3.5 from the CDs and upgraded
firmware to 3.2.8f6, the latest for the B&W G3s, reinstalled Tiger, and
now it runs like a dream.
cheers, Erik Richard
Erik Richard Sørensen
- And the GigabitEthernet... I've just sold a Dual G4/500mhz
GigabitEthernet, which originally had a firmware ver. 4.0.9f2. I
upgraded it to the 4.2.8f1. This gave a real markable increase in many
things in OS X 10.4.x
> Digital Audio, yes. Apple does not mention firmware
> updates for any model of what they call Quicksilver anywhere. The only
> thing I recall having to apply was the DVD firmware update and a
> potential fixed-disk driver thingy that never did anything on my G4.
Yes, the CD/DVD firmware for the Combo drive is also the only one that I
can find on the Apple sites. And this I don't need, since the Combo
drive has been exchanged with a new DVD-RW drive instead.
> As I said, I've never seen or heard of a firmware upgrade for
> Quicksilvers. According to Apple, no G4 Mac has needed a user-applied
> firmware upgrade since the Digital Audio model. However, this might
> just be for the specific case of "need firmware to run OS X" and there
> are other actual upgrades tucked away somewhere.
The Dual G4/500 GigabitEthernet indeed got faster after upg. the
firmware to the 4.2.9f1. (gives 4.2.8f1 on Sawtooth and DigitalAudios).
>>> I know the after-market CPU upgrades only go to 1.8Ghz and require
>>> a kernel extension to work. Even so, there were some G4 AGP
>>> machines shipped that cannot boot dual-CPUs at all because they
>>> use a specific ASIC that cannot work with MP systems.
>>
>> That is not correct. I can get G4 Cpus up to 2.2ghz from both Sonnet,
>> GigaDesigns and PowerLogix. I chose the GigaDesigns processors due to
>> the fact that they are fully native without any further extensions.
>
> I had the dual-CPU models in mind, as this is what was mentioned in the
> OP. I've only seen the Sonnet duals, which only go to 1.8Ghz. Perhaps
> other vendors have other solutions. I actually meant to say "I haven't
> seen an after-market dual CPU kit that was higher than 1.8Ghz". At any
> rate, my comments were simply speculative since I didn't know exactly
> what you were up to.
OK, that 'clearifies' the meaning.:-) - But I can now also see that the
real fast 2.2ghz models have been removed again from both Sonnet,
PowerLogix and also GigaDesigns, - so maybe this model was too unstable
to run at full speed. - Else you're right, - dual CPUs are mostly
between 1,6ghz and 1,8ghz...
> As for the firmware updates, I've never seen or heard of a system
> firmware upgrade for any model of Quicksilver, at least since I
> purchased my G4 back in '02.
From the QuickSilvers that I've had among hands, I can see that there
are more different firmware versions - 4.0.9, 4.1.9, 4.2.6, 4.2.9, 4.3.3
and 5.3.3 - all with the 133mhz motherboard. GigaDesigns writes in the
accompagning read-me file, that it is possible to use the 'Apple
Firmware 4.2.8f1 Update' on a QuickSilver, (makes it 4.2.9f1 on a QS),
if firmware is lower than 4.1.9f1, which is the lower limit to upgrade
with the Dual G4 2.0ghz processor.
- The various firmware versions are due to various QS models and their
release dates... - It could be nice, if one could 'copy' the 5.3.3
version and put it onto the older model with the 4.2.9. - I know it can
be done manually, but my knowledge is way too inferior that I'd dare to
do this.:-) - I think that I'll ask Apple Support tomorrow, if I can get
it directly from Apple tech group.....
cheers, Erik Richard