OT: Going out on a BIG limb here...
Ceowulf
books} on them I figure this cant hurt.
I need to find a series of books. Its driving me crazy. I read them a
few(many) years ago, the person who had them has dissapeared and I cant for
the life of me remember the author or the titles. I've asked book stores,
friends, hell I even asked a stranger {no not really :P} but no avail.
Besides feeling completely stupid for trying to do this I fear its my only
hope {go the melodrama!} :P
Ok, these books were about Psionics. A very... different type of psionics
{not your normal AD&D/Darksun style}. An alien race had subjugated the human
race and has enslaved them and the many psionicly gifted people using a
range of metalic torcs {collars}. These torcs differ in metal depending on
your rank/caste. I.e. all humans have bronze/copper and the aliens
themselves have gold torcs. These torcs from memory both had the ability to
inhibit psionic ability {the bronze/copper ones on the humans} and to
enhance it (gold tocs on the aliens) and provide control over the lesser
torcs.
The description of the aliens {your gonna love this} is... well, like humans
but bigger? I seem to remember them having big heads? Like cone heads? I
seem to remember a relationship between a human and alien protagonist, so
they werent huge or anything.
Several of the human protagonists {very psionicaly able} break free... and
do some abosolutly amazing things with their psionic abilitys. I distinctly
remember one character completely destroying the entrace to a large estury
by pscyhokinetically blasting through hundreds of meters of mountain and
rock.
I also remember the series potentially ending with one of them being able to
litteraly travel through space using his psionic ability. I think there were
a few crazy protagonists in there as well {too much power, sore head, that
kinda thing}.
Does ANYONE have any idea what these books are? They have to ring a bell
with someone! Fantastic books...
Ceo-
Hong Ooi
wrote:
>Ok, as I already know these two newsgroups have alot of avid readers {of
>books} on them I figure this cant hurt.
>
>I need to find a series of books. Its driving me crazy. I read them a
>few(many) years ago, the person who had them has dissapeared and I cant for
>the life of me remember the author or the titles. I've asked book stores,
>friends, hell I even asked a stranger {no not really :P} but no avail.
>
>Besides feeling completely stupid for trying to do this I fear its my only
>hope {go the melodrama!} :P
>
>Ok, these books were about Psionics. A very... different type of psionics
>{not your normal AD&D/Darksun style}. An alien race had subjugated the human
>race and has enslaved them and the many psionicly gifted people using a
>range of metalic torcs {collars}. These torcs differ in metal depending on
>your rank/caste. I.e. all humans have bronze/copper and the aliens
>themselves have gold torcs. These torcs from memory both had the ability to
>inhibit psionic ability {the bronze/copper ones on the humans} and to
>enhance it (gold tocs on the aliens) and provide control over the lesser
>torcs.
Julian May's Saga of the Exiles:
The Many-Colored Land
The Golden Torc
The Nonborn King
--
Hong Ooi | "They are BLUDGEONING WANGERS"
ho...@zipworld.com.au | -- BB (paraphrased)
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/ |
Sydney, Australia |
nobody
theory of relativity (in 5000 words or less) or help me design that x-prize
rocket-ship (take 3 people up 62.5 miles (100 km), bring them back,
preferably alive, then do it again in 2 weeks to win $10 million US )
> >I need to find a series of books. Its driving me crazy. I read them a
>
Nick Reed
news:uts0fv4h5u8asoso4...@4ax.com...
>
> Julian May's Saga of the Exiles:
>
> The Many-Colored Land
> The Golden Torc
> The Nonborn King
Don't forget book #4, "The Adversary".
Ncik.
Steve Smith
news:3ef07179$0$29...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
Post this on rec.arts.sf.written, preface your message's subject with "Book
ID : ..." or something. They are very smart over there concerning sci-fi
books and you'll get an answer within a day, I'm sure of it. Book ids or
story ids are like a challenge to the people over there... I haven't seen
many books or stories go un-identified, maybe one or two in the last year or
so.
Steve
Jan Hyde
on Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:55:43 GMT bearing the following
fruit:
> Simply amazing.... lol. I don't suppose anyone could fully explain the
>theory of relativity (in 5000 words or less)
>or help me design that x-prize
>rocket-ship (take 3 people up 62.5 miles (100 km), bring them back,
>preferably alive, then do it again in 2 weeks to win $10 million US )
I can lend you a pencil if that helps?
J
>> >I need to find a series of books. Its driving me crazy. I read them a
>
>>
>> Julian May's Saga of the Exiles:
>>
>> The Many-Colored Land
>> The Golden Torc
>> The Nonborn King
>
--
Ejaculate: One more time and you're fired! (J. A. Mc.)
[Abolish the TV Licence - http://www.tvlicensing.biz/]
Tommy Engfors
"Hong Ooi" <ho...@zipworld.com.au> skrev i meddelandet
news:uts0fv4h5u8asoso4...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:03:57 +0800, "Ceowulf" <c...@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet>
> wrote:
> >
> >Ok, these books were about Psionics. A very... different type of psionics
> >{not your normal AD&D/Darksun style}. An alien race had subjugated the
human
> >race and has enslaved them and the many psionicly gifted people using a
> >range of metalic torcs {collars}. These torcs differ in metal depending
on
> >your rank/caste. I.e. all humans have bronze/copper and the aliens
> >themselves have gold torcs. These torcs from memory both had the ability
to
> >inhibit psionic ability {the bronze/copper ones on the humans} and to
> >enhance it (gold tocs on the aliens) and provide control over the lesser
> >torcs.
>
> Julian May's Saga of the Exiles:
>
> The Many-Colored Land
>
The Many? Wow. Flashback happening!
"We are..we are...we are...." "Silence the discord.... Raahhh!!!"... yea..
brings back many scary memories.
Too bad SS2 doesn't run on my rig anymore. No other game ever managed to
induce the same feeling of terror... (Thief wasn't far off though).
Sorry for off-thread-topic... :-)
- Tommy Engfors
nobody
>
> > Simply amazing.... lol. I don't suppose anyone could fully explain the
> >theory of relativity (in 5000 words or less)
>> I can lend you a pencil if that helps?
>
That relativity question was posed during my 10th grade science final years
ago: Correctly answear the question and get an extra credit 'A' for the
year.
Today, I believe the answear is simply: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
(E=mc2). Example, we see water as clear and tasteless but maybe 'something'
else sees it as being colored and bitter. We can't see the air we breathe
(unless we live in the city) but we know it is there, we can feel it on
windy days. When we look into space we see a few stars and a vast black
'nothingness' but maybe something else sees something else. All things are
relavent to 'who' the observer is.
GSV Three Minds in a Can
wonderful person Nick Reed <ni...@iomo.co.uk> said
--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Does ANYONE have any idea what these books are? They have to ring a bell
> with someone! Fantastic books...
You also want, even though they're not quite the same series:
Intervention: Surveillance
Intervention: Metaconcert
and
Jack the Bodiless
Diamond Mask
Magnificat
The first is sort of a "prequel" describing how humanity entered the
Galactic Milieu. The second is about the Remillards (still) and tells of
many things, including the Metapsychic Rebellion that took Marc and his
followers to the Pliocene epoch in the Pliocene Exile.
--
Elizabeth D. Brooks | kalima...@attbi.com | US2002021724
Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG
AeonAdventure | "Why, in my day, we used to fight the Lord of
Terror with nothing but a sharp stick!" -- www.reallifecomics.com
Charles Don Hall
news:3ef07179$0$29...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
> Ok, these books were about Psionics. A very... different type of
> psionics {not your normal AD&D/Darksun style}. An alien race had
> subjugated the human race and has enslaved them and the many psionicly
> gifted people using a range of metalic torcs {collars}. These torcs
> differ in metal depending on your rank/caste. I.e. all humans have
> bronze/copper and the aliens themselves have gold torcs. These torcs
> from memory both had the ability to inhibit psionic ability {the
> bronze/copper ones on the humans} and to enhance it (gold tocs on the
> aliens) and provide control over the lesser torcs.
[...]
> Does ANYONE have any idea what these books are? They have to ring a
> bell with someone! Fantastic books...
Julian May's "Pliocene Exile" series. "The Many-Colored Land", "The Golden
Torc", "The Nonborn King", "The Adversary".
--
======================================
Charles Don Hall, Licensed Philosopher
======================================
Ceowulf
> wrote:
>
> >Ok, these books were about Psionics. A very... different type of psionics
> >{not your normal AD&D/Darksun style}. An alien race had subjugated the
human
> >race and has enslaved them and the many psionicly gifted people using a
> >range of metalic torcs {collars}. These torcs differ in metal depending
on
> >your rank/caste. I.e. all humans have bronze/copper and the aliens
> >themselves have gold torcs. These torcs from memory both had the ability
to
> >inhibit psionic ability {the bronze/copper ones on the humans} and to
> >enhance it (gold tocs on the aliens) and provide control over the lesser
> >torcs.
>
> Julian May's Saga of the Exiles:
>
> The Many-Colored Land
> The Golden Torc
> The Nonborn King
Oh My God.
Ceowulf
message news:Xns939EDE635...@216.254.95.101...
> > bell with someone! Fantastic books...
>
> Julian May's "Pliocene Exile" series. "The Many-Colored Land", "The Golden
> Torc", "The Nonborn King", "The Adversary".
No shit hey, I am blown away.
My faith in usenet is... well, it never went away, but DAMN!
:))
Thanks everyone, now to start calling bookstores to see if they have them
{and the ones Julie mentioned!}
Ceo-
Ceowulf
news:3ef117e5$0$32...@echo-01.iinet.net.au...
> >
> > The Many-Colored Land
> > The Golden Torc
> > The Nonborn King
>
> Oh My God.
Shit, just called every book store in Perth {where I live} and not a single
one of them has any of them in stock. Apparantly they are all out of print
with their UK publisher.
Ceo-
nobody
> Shit, just called every book store in Perth {where I live} and not a
single
> one of them has any of them in stock. Apparantly they are all out of print
> with their UK publisher.
>
> Ceo-
Call the bookstores back and ask for the name/number of an 'out-of-print'
specialist or look one up on the 'net. There are resellers that buy
left-over lots of out of print books. Those folks can network with their
peers and get you what you want. I may have the phone number for a few I
used a few years ago (Occult books) but only God knows under which pile...
they are US agents, too. I'm sure Australia has similiar 'out-of-print'
specialist.
Ceowulf
news:51aIa.12748$Jw6.5...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
I love the net, I really do :) I just spent some *coughs* time at work
hunting for second hand book stores.
Found 3 that combined have all 4 of those books in stock. wOOt, they are on
their way to me as I speak =)
Ceo-
Chris Proctor
news:3ef120ed$0$32...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
They're easy to find in secondhand bookshops (at least in Melbourne). I got
all of mine that way.
Incidentally, I think the second series (the Galactic Milieu) is better
than the Saga of Exiles. Plus there's a mind-bogglingly huge twist partway
through - it's worth reading all 8 books just for that :)
Chris
Chris Proctor
@attbi.com:
> Ceowulf wrote:
>>
>> Does ANYONE have any idea what these books are? They have to ring a bell
>> with someone! Fantastic books...
>
> You also want, even though they're not quite the same series:
>
> Intervention: Surveillance
> Intervention: Metaconcert
Interesting.
I've got Intervention as a single volume, and that's the only way I've ever
seen it . . . I wasn't even aware it was ever two ;-)
Chris
Hong Ooi
wrote:
So how come I have no problems with this fluff on teh Intarweb, but I still
got my butt kicked at a trivia night last weekend?
Hong "too trivial for this group" Ooi
Julie d'Aubigny
I've been a longtime fan of JM's metapsychic books. I just wanted to
comment that it's amusing that I read, like, two days ago, a huge number
of threads about those books. Like, they've been at the top of my mind
lately.
Julie d'Aubigny
The Milieu series is the third series.
Intervention (which is one book in Australia, sorry about any confusion,
Ceowulf) is sort of its own series.
Julie d'Aubigny
It is, in America. I found out the other day that it's one book in
Australia, and forgot to explicitly mention that in my post.
Anyway, I read it as two books - thankfully, they came out at the same
time. 'Twas bad enough waiting for the GM books to come out a few years
later.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> So how come I have no problems with this fluff on teh Intarweb, but I still
> got my butt kicked at a trivia night last weekend?
>
> Hong "too trivial for this group" Ooi
People you meet face to face are smarter than teh Intarweb.
Ceowulf
news:3EF15F9E...@attbi.com...
>
> I've been a longtime fan of JM's metapsychic books. I just wanted to
> comment that it's amusing that I read, like, two days ago, a huge number
> of threads about those books. Like, they've been at the top of my mind
> lately.
Funny how the world works :) I've had them on my mind for the last week and
it was really starting to irrirate me and my friends who I kept on asking
"are you SURE you have no idea what they may be?" :)
I am going to lose so much sleep over these books.
I'm a little hesitant to start reading the Saga of the Exiles series now
though if there are others out there that should be read before hand. Any
advise on this? Or are they not really "ordered" as such.
Ceo-
Ceowulf
> Chris Proctor wrote:
> >
> > "Ceowulf" <c...@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in
> > news:3ef120ed$0$32...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
> > > Shit, just called every book store in Perth {where I live} and not a
> > > single one of them has any of them in stock. Apparantly they are all
> > > out of print with their UK publisher.
> >
> > They're easy to find in secondhand bookshops (at least in Melbourne). I
got
> > all of mine that way.
> >
> > Incidentally, I think the second series (the Galactic Milieu) is better
> > than the Saga of Exiles. Plus there's a mind-bogglingly huge twist
partway
> > through - it's worth reading all 8 books just for that :)
>
> The Milieu series is the third series.
>
> Intervention (which is one book in Australia, sorry about any confusion,
> Ceowulf) is sort of its own series.
Ok, so we have (in this order)
Intervention (single book ;)}
Galactic Milieu
Sage of the Exiles
Will have to go looking for the others tommorow. I think I'll start reading
the Sage of the Exiles now anyway, I take it there arnt any characters which
span the entire 8 book series no?
Ceo-
Gerry Quinn
>>
>> > Simply amazing.... lol. I don't suppose anyone could fully explain the
>> >theory of relativity (in 5000 words or less)
Eep?
- Gerry Quinn
Julie d'Aubigny
There's no specific order. I read them in the order of "Intervention,"
"Pliocene Exile" and "Galactic Milieu."
They were written in this order:
"Pliocene Exile"
"Intervention"
"Galactic Milieu."
I tend to think you can read them in any order you want, and they'll be
just as good. Might be best to read them in the above order, especially
if you already have the PE books.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> "Julie d'Aubigny" <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:3EF1603B...@attbi.com...
> > Chris Proctor wrote:
> > >
> > > "Ceowulf" <c...@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in
> > > news:3ef120ed$0$32...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
>
> > > > Shit, just called every book store in Perth {where I live} and not a
> > > > single one of them has any of them in stock. Apparantly they are all
> > > > out of print with their UK publisher.
> > >
> > > They're easy to find in secondhand bookshops (at least in Melbourne). I
> got
> > > all of mine that way.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I think the second series (the Galactic Milieu) is better
> > > than the Saga of Exiles. Plus there's a mind-bogglingly huge twist
> partway
> > > through - it's worth reading all 8 books just for that :)
> >
> > The Milieu series is the third series.
> >
> > Intervention (which is one book in Australia, sorry about any confusion,
> > Ceowulf) is sort of its own series.
>
> Ok, so we have (in this order)
> Intervention (single book ;)}
> Galactic Milieu
> Sage of the Exiles
Well, that is the chronological order. :)
> Will have to go looking for the others tommorow. I think I'll start reading
> the Sage of the Exiles now anyway, I take it there arnt any characters which
> span the entire 8 book series no?
Well...actually... Wait until you meet Le Fantome Familiar.
Mark Morrison
<kalima...@attbi.com> wrote:
>Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in news:3EF115BC.F64B0F88
>> @attbi.com:
>>
>> > Ceowulf wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Does ANYONE have any idea what these books are? They have to ring a bell
>> >> with someone! Fantastic books...
>> >
>> > You also want, even though they're not quite the same series:
>> >
>> > Intervention: Surveillance
>> > Intervention: Metaconcert
>>
>> Interesting.
>> I've got Intervention as a single volume, and that's the only way I've ever
>> seen it . . . I wasn't even aware it was ever two ;-)
>
>It is, in America. I found out the other day that it's one book in
>Australia, and forgot to explicitly mention that in my post.
>
>Anyway, I read it as two books - thankfully, they came out at the same
>time. 'Twas bad enough waiting for the GM books to come out a few years
>later.
US does that from time to time, apparently, at least with fantasy
books.
IIRC, Clive Barker's Imagica was also split up into two books for hte
US market.
--
Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes !
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !
Mark Blunden
Also Mary Gentle's Ash: A Secret History, apparently. Here in the UK, George
Martin's 'A Storm of Swords' came out as a single hardback, but was split in
two for its paperback release.
--
Mark.
* If you're able to keep your head while all around you are losing
theirs, they probably know something you don't
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> "Ceowulf" <c...@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in
>> news:3ef120ed$0$32...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
>>
>> > "Ceowulf" <c...@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in message
>> > news:3ef117e5$0$32...@echo-01.iinet.net.au...
>> >> "Hong Ooi" <ho...@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
>> >> news:uts0fv4h5u8asoso4...@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >> > Julian May's Saga of the Exiles:
>> >> >
>> >> > The Many-Colored Land
>> >> > The Golden Torc
>> >> > The Nonborn King
>> >>
>> >> Oh My God.
>> >
>> > Shit, just called every book store in Perth {where I live} and not
>> > a single one of them has any of them in stock. Apparantly they are
>> > all out of print with their UK publisher.
>>
>> They're easy to find in secondhand bookshops (at least in Melbourne).
>> I got all of mine that way.
>>
>> Incidentally, I think the second series (the Galactic Milieu) is
>> better than the Saga of Exiles. Plus there's a mind-bogglingly huge
>> twist partway through - it's worth reading all 8 books just for that
>> :)
>
> The Milieu series is the third series.
>
> Intervention (which is one book in Australia, sorry about any
> confusion, Ceowulf) is sort of its own series.
Hmm. I read them as two 4-book series, which seemed to flow ok :)
On looking at the books again the first book of the Milieu is definitely
Jack the Bodiless, so I can't have been paying enough attention hey?
Chris
Chris Proctor
> Ceowulf wrote:
>>
>> "Julie d'Aubigny" <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in message
>> news:3EF1603B...@attbi.com...
>> > Chris Proctor wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Ceowulf" <c...@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in
>> > > news:3ef120ed$0$32...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
>>
>> > > > Shit, just called every book store in Perth {where I live} and
>> > > > not a single one of them has any of them in stock. Apparantly
>> > > > they are all out of print with their UK publisher.
>> > >
>> > > They're easy to find in secondhand bookshops (at least in
>> > > Melbourne). I got all of mine that way.
>> > >
>> > > Incidentally, I think the second series (the Galactic Milieu) is
>> > > better than the Saga of Exiles. Plus there's a mind-bogglingly
>> > > huge twist partway through - it's worth reading all 8 books just
>> > > for that :)
>> >
>> > The Milieu series is the third series.
>> >
>> > Intervention (which is one book in Australia, sorry about any
>> > confusion, Ceowulf) is sort of its own series.
>>
>> Ok, so we have (in this order)
>> Intervention (single book ;)}
>> Galactic Milieu
>> Sage of the Exiles
>
> Well, that is the chronological order. :)
Chronological depending on how you look at it . . .
The Pliocene is arguably chronologically before the Milieu ;-)
I'd definitely read them as: Exiles, Intervention, Milieu, anyway. The
impact of the Milieu series is lessened the other way IMO . . .
>> Will have to go looking for the others tommorow. I think I'll start
>> reading the Sage of the Exiles now anyway, I take it there arnt any
>> characters which span the entire 8 book series no?
>
> Well...actually... Wait until you meet Le Fantome Familiar.
Teehee :)
Chris
Chris Proctor
> Ceowulf wrote:
>>
>> "Charles Don Hall" <cdhall_public_remove_this@and_this_pobox.com>
>> wrote in message news:Xns939EDE635...@216.254.95.101...
>> > "Ceowulf" <c...@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in
>> > news:3ef07179$0$29...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
>> >
>> > > Does ANYONE have any idea what these books are? They have to ring
>> > > a bell with someone! Fantastic books...
>> >
>> > Julian May's "Pliocene Exile" series. "The Many-Colored Land", "The
>> > Golden Torc", "The Nonborn King", "The Adversary".
>>
>> No shit hey, I am blown away.
>>
>> My faith in usenet is... well, it never went away, but DAMN!
>>
>> :))
>>
>> Thanks everyone, now to start calling bookstores to see if they have
>> them {and the ones Julie mentioned!}
>
> I've been a longtime fan of JM's metapsychic books. I just wanted to
> comment that it's amusing that I read, like, two days ago, a huge
> number of threads about those books. Like, they've been at the top of
> my mind lately.
I love the setting. I reckon it'd make a great one for a psychics
campaign, using the GURPS Psionics rules (which are the best I've seen to
date, certainly light years ahead of the D&D equivalent).
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> > Intervention (which is one book in Australia, sorry about any
> > confusion, Ceowulf) is sort of its own series.
>
> Hmm. I read them as two 4-book series, which seemed to flow ok :)
> On looking at the books again the first book of the Milieu is definitely
> Jack the Bodiless, so I can't have been paying enough attention hey?
Intervention is either a stand-alone volume or a prelude to the Milieu.
:) I think reading it as either works.
Mark Morrison
<kalima...@attbi.com> wrote:
>Mark Morrison wrote:
>>
>> >Anyway, I read it as two books - thankfully, they came out at the same
>> >time. 'Twas bad enough waiting for the GM books to come out a few years
>> >later.
>>
>> US does that from time to time, apparently, at least with fantasy
>> books.
>>
>> IIRC, Clive Barker's Imagica was also split up into two books for hte
>> US market.
>
>It does.
>
>Magician (volume 1 of the Riftwar Saga) by, er, the guy who wrote the
>Midkemia novels, and all three installments of the Night's Dawn trilogy
>by Peter F. Hamilton were split - for example.
I'm dreading the new Harry Potter - the hardback weighhs 1 kg !!!
Definitely a 'read while lying on your tummy' book, unless you have
forearms of steel.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:17:01 GMT, Julie d'Aubigny
> <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >Mark Morrison wrote:
> >>
> >> >Anyway, I read it as two books - thankfully, they came out at the same
> >> >time. 'Twas bad enough waiting for the GM books to come out a few years
> >> >later.
> >>
> >> US does that from time to time, apparently, at least with fantasy
> >> books.
> >>
> >> IIRC, Clive Barker's Imagica was also split up into two books for hte
> >> US market.
> >
> >It does.
> >
> >Magician (volume 1 of the Riftwar Saga) by, er, the guy who wrote the
> >Midkemia novels, and all three installments of the Night's Dawn trilogy
> >by Peter F. Hamilton were split - for example.
>
> I'm dreading the new Harry Potter - the hardback weighhs 1 kg !!!
>
> Definitely a 'read while lying on your tummy' book, unless you have
> forearms of steel.
Good thing I prepared by reading A Storm of Swords in hardcover.
Mark Morrison
<kalima...@attbi.com> wrote:
>Mark Morrison wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:17:01 GMT, Julie d'Aubigny
>> <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Mark Morrison wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Anyway, I read it as two books - thankfully, they came out at the same
>> >> >time. 'Twas bad enough waiting for the GM books to come out a few years
>> >> >later.
>> >>
>> >> US does that from time to time, apparently, at least with fantasy
>> >> books.
>> >>
>> >> IIRC, Clive Barker's Imagica was also split up into two books for hte
>> >> US market.
>> >
>> >It does.
>> >
>> >Magician (volume 1 of the Riftwar Saga) by, er, the guy who wrote the
>> >Midkemia novels, and all three installments of the Night's Dawn trilogy
>> >by Peter F. Hamilton were split - for example.
>>
>> I'm dreading the new Harry Potter - the hardback weighhs 1 kg !!!
>>
>> Definitely a 'read while lying on your tummy' book, unless you have
>> forearms of steel.
>
>Good thing I prepared by reading A Storm of Swords in hardcover.
Biggest book I ever read was The Witching Hour, by Anne Rice. 976
pages in hardback...
And it wasn't even that good, apart from the sex bits.
Konrad Gaertner
>
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:10:17 GMT, Julie d'Aubigny
> <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >Mark Morrison wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm dreading the new Harry Potter - the hardback weighhs 1 kg !!!
> >>
> >> Definitely a 'read while lying on your tummy' book, unless you have
> >> forearms of steel.
> >
> >Good thing I prepared by reading A Storm of Swords in hardcover.
>
> Biggest book I ever read was The Witching Hour, by Anne Rice. 976
> pages in hardback...
The biggest massmarket book I've seen is a single volume edition
of _War and Peace_ which I calculated to be about 1500 pages.
The biggest massmarket book I've actually read would be Erikson's
_Memories of Ice_ at slightly less than 1200 pages.
--KG
GSV Three Minds in a Can
person Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@worldnet.att.net> said
<snip>
>The biggest massmarket book I've seen is a single volume edition
>of _War and Peace_ which I calculated to be about 1500 pages.
>The biggest massmarket book I've actually read would be Erikson's
>_Memories of Ice_ at slightly less than 1200 pages.
The UK MMPB of _The Neutronium Alchemist_ by Peter F Hamilton weighs in
at 1274pp, or something (and the other two in the trilogy are both over
1200).
--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.
Chris Proctor
> Mark Blunden wrote:
>>
>> Mark Morrison wrote:
>> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:59:56 GMT, Julie d'Aubigny
>> > <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Chris Proctor wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in
>> >>> news:3EF115BC.F64B0F88 @attbi.com:
>> >> Anyway, I read it as two books - thankfully, they came out at the
>> >> same time. 'Twas bad enough waiting for the GM books to come out a
>> >> few years later.
>> >
>> > US does that from time to time, apparently, at least with fantasy
>> > books.
>> >
>> > IIRC, Clive Barker's Imagica was also split up into two books for
>> > hte US market.
>>
>> Also Mary Gentle's Ash: A Secret History, apparently. Here in the UK,
>> George Martin's 'A Storm of Swords' came out as a single hardback,
>> but was split in two for its paperback release.
>
> Here in America, A Storm of Swords is a single paperback installment.
> I am grateful for this.
Two books here as well.
Great series, too. Hopefully a Feast of Crows won't be _too_ much longer!
Chris
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> >> Will have to go looking for the others tommorow. I think I'll start
>> >> reading the Sage of the Exiles now anyway, I take it there arnt any
>> >> characters which span the entire 8 book series no?
>> >
>> > Well...actually... Wait until you meet Le Fantome Familiar.
>>
>> Teehee :)
>
> Uncle Rogi's the best character, I think. And his sidekick, the Family
> Ghost, is just too cool. :)
The Family Ghost is terrific.
I really empathised with Marc, he's a great character.
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> > Uncle Rogi's the best character, I think. And his sidekick, the Family
> > Ghost, is just too cool. :)
>
> The Family Ghost is terrific.
> I really empathised with Marc, he's a great character.
He is. Admittedly, he gets a decent amount of development over the
books.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Biggest book I ever read was The Witching Hour, by Anne Rice. 976
> pages in hardback...
>
> And it wasn't even that good, apart from the sex bits.
Oh, it was fine until it turned into some kind of wacky B-grade SF
thing.
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> > I've been a longtime fan of JM's metapsychic books. I just wanted
>> > to comment that it's amusing that I read, like, two days ago, a
>> > huge number of threads about those books. Like, they've been at the
>> > top of my mind lately.
>>
>> I love the setting. I reckon it'd make a great one for a psychics
>> campaign, using the GURPS Psionics rules (which are the best I've
>> seen to date, certainly light years ahead of the D&D equivalent).
>
> I prefer White Wolf's Trinity, although it doesn't even begin to
> approach the power levels. No game I've seen to date handles
> Psychocreativity, though.
I haven't read Trinity. Maybe I'll have a browse the next time I'm in a
games shop.
The thing I particularly like about the GURPS psionics rules is the concept
of psionic power and skill, the example being a high powered telekinetic
could lift an elephant, but would also require high skill if they wanted to
move it around with precision.
Makes for a nice tradeoff.
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in
> news:3EF1ABBD...@attbi.com:
>
> > Chris Proctor wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've been a longtime fan of JM's metapsychic books. I just wanted
> >> > to comment that it's amusing that I read, like, two days ago, a
> >> > huge number of threads about those books. Like, they've been at the
> >> > top of my mind lately.
> >>
> >> I love the setting. I reckon it'd make a great one for a psychics
> >> campaign, using the GURPS Psionics rules (which are the best I've
> >> seen to date, certainly light years ahead of the D&D equivalent).
> >
> > I prefer White Wolf's Trinity, although it doesn't even begin to
> > approach the power levels. No game I've seen to date handles
> > Psychocreativity, though.
>
> I haven't read Trinity. Maybe I'll have a browse the next time I'm in a
> games shop.
If you can find it, get the trade paperback-looking one, as it has
explanations of what's going on in the back.
> The thing I particularly like about the GURPS psionics rules is the concept
> of psionic power and skill, the example being a high powered telekinetic
> could lift an elephant, but would also require high skill if they wanted to
> move it around with precision.
True. Pretty much the only logical way to develop powers in GURPS, given
how the game was designed, though. I actually designed psionics rules
for GURPS (inspired by the GURPS: Fantasy rules for Magic) a couple of
years before GURPS: Supers was out, and came up with nearly the same
thing.
> Makes for a nice tradeoff.
The problem I have with GURPS is just the sheer number of skills. The
game will someday collapse under the weight of all the skills, shrink to
quantum scale, and sink to the center of the Earth.
Nicklas Wennberg
>Bitstring <3EF22EEB...@worldnet.att.net>, from the wonderful
>person Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@worldnet.att.net> said
><snip>
>>The biggest massmarket book I've seen is a single volume edition
>>of _War and Peace_ which I calculated to be about 1500 pages.
>>The biggest massmarket book I've actually read would be Erikson's
>>_Memories of Ice_ at slightly less than 1200 pages.
>
>The UK MMPB of _The Neutronium Alchemist_ by Peter F Hamilton weighs in
>at 1274pp, or something (and the other two in the trilogy are both over
>1200).
I have swedish version of the LOTR trilogy in one volume :)
--
Nicklas Wennberg
Petrazickis
> Does ANYONE have any idea what these books are? They have to ring a bell
> with someone! Fantastic books...
>
Why not give rec.arts.sf.written a try? They won't flame you too badly.;)
Leons Petrazickis
import java.lang.disclaimer;
GSV Three Minds in a Can
the wonderful person Nicklas Wennberg <d97wenn...@dtek.chalmers.se>
said
Unless the text expands a lot going into Swedish, that won't win any
prizes. My Trade PB _LotR_ in one volume is only 1080 pages, and even
the hardback is only around 1140.
_The Neutronium Alchemist_ appears to be pushing the limit for MMPB
binding (at least the technology they used) since several pages are
becoming 'loose leaf'. Still, it'll read just as well if you shuffle the
pages. 8>.
--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
John Reynolds
trilogy since he was essentially manipulated by Fury (a character that felt
entirely too much like an assisine plot catalyzer). Just my opinion and I'm
somewhat biased toward the original Saga since I felt that the death of
May's husband during the writing of Jack the Bodiless killed her creativity
(in fact, there's a paragraphical blurb in the 2nd milieu book in which May
exposes how grief is the greatest slayer of creativity of all and upon
reading that for the first time I immediately interpreted that passage as a
sly apology for Jack's poor quality).
John
"Chris Proctor" <chris_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A07E1C3B7BFch...@203.16.214.244...
John Reynolds
;)
John
"Chris Proctor" <chris_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A07DBDD324Ach...@203.16.214.244...
Chris Proctor
news:VWLIa.667$Vx2.2...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
Rephrase: Hopefully the wait for a Feast of Crows won't be _too_ much
longer!
The length of the book is fine as long as he can maintain the quality :)
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> reading that for the first time I immediately interpreted that passage as a
> sly apology for Jack's poor quality).
Eh, whatever. They weren't perfect, I enjoyed them. I still like the
character.
By the way, since the thread originator hasn't read these books, might
want to be careful about spoilers.
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in
>> news:3EF1ABBD...@attbi.com:
>>
>> > Chris Proctor wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I've been a longtime fan of JM's metapsychic books. I just
>> >> > wanted to comment that it's amusing that I read, like, two days
>> >> > ago, a huge number of threads about those books. Like, they've
>> >> > been at the top of my mind lately.
>> >>
>> >> I love the setting. I reckon it'd make a great one for a psychics
>> >> campaign, using the GURPS Psionics rules (which are the best I've
>> >> seen to date, certainly light years ahead of the D&D equivalent).
>> >
>> > I prefer White Wolf's Trinity, although it doesn't even begin to
>> > approach the power levels. No game I've seen to date handles
>> > Psychocreativity, though.
>>
>> I haven't read Trinity. Maybe I'll have a browse the next time I'm in
>> a games shop.
>
> If you can find it, get the trade paperback-looking one, as it has
> explanations of what's going on in the back.
Cool . . .
Actually, I was more interested in Adventure!
I went and bought a whole lot of TORG stuff recently, when I got
interested in pulp adventure roleplaying (the Nile Empire book is a
perfect setting for it). Never did pick up Adventure though, I flicked
through the rules and to be honest the presentation put me off dropping
that much on a single book.
>> The thing I particularly like about the GURPS psionics rules is the
>> concept of psionic power and skill, the example being a high powered
>> telekinetic could lift an elephant, but would also require high skill
>> if they wanted to move it around with precision.
>
> True. Pretty much the only logical way to develop powers in GURPS,
> given how the game was designed, though. I actually designed psionics
> rules for GURPS (inspired by the GURPS: Fantasy rules for Magic) a
> couple of years before GURPS: Supers was out, and came up with nearly
> the same thing.
Hmm. Psionics rules are part of GURPS as of the basic set 2nd ed . . .
Anyway, on reading them I immediately thought that it'd be really cool to
run a Saga of Exiles psionic campaign (or one based on Anne McAffrey's
Pegasus series). It'd be funky to come up with balanced, playable rules
for Marc's CE rig, too :)
>> Makes for a nice tradeoff.
>
> The problem I have with GURPS is just the sheer number of skills. The
> game will someday collapse under the weight of all the skills, shrink
> to quantum scale, and sink to the center of the Earth.
It's pretty obscene. The system as a whole is unwieldy, but some sections
of the rules are very nice, and the sourcebooks are exceptionally good
(e.g. GURPS Japan etc). Good setting information for use with any system,
in a lot of cases.
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Cool . . .
> Actually, I was more interested in Adventure!
Adventure! is good too, and made me more money. So, on that basis, it's
probably better.
> I went and bought a whole lot of TORG stuff recently, when I got
> interested in pulp adventure roleplaying (the Nile Empire book is a
> perfect setting for it). Never did pick up Adventure though, I flicked
> through the rules and to be honest the presentation put me off dropping
> that much on a single book.
What was wrong with the presentation?
> > True. Pretty much the only logical way to develop powers in GURPS,
> > given how the game was designed, though. I actually designed psionics
> > rules for GURPS (inspired by the GURPS: Fantasy rules for Magic) a
> > couple of years before GURPS: Supers was out, and came up with nearly
> > the same thing.
>
> Hmm. Psionics rules are part of GURPS as of the basic set 2nd ed . . .
I have these papers still. Pretty close, and prior to any GURPS psionics
rules.
> Anyway, on reading them I immediately thought that it'd be really cool to
> run a Saga of Exiles psionic campaign (or one based on Anne McAffrey's
> Pegasus series). It'd be funky to come up with balanced, playable rules
> for Marc's CE rig, too :)
They have stuff that's sort of like the CE rig.
> >> Makes for a nice tradeoff.
> >
> > The problem I have with GURPS is just the sheer number of skills. The
> > game will someday collapse under the weight of all the skills, shrink
> > to quantum scale, and sink to the center of the Earth.
>
> It's pretty obscene. The system as a whole is unwieldy, but some sections
> of the rules are very nice, and the sourcebooks are exceptionally good
> (e.g. GURPS Japan etc). Good setting information for use with any system,
> in a lot of cases.
I sort of reached a point where I decided I'd do better to just by books
about what I wanted instead of RPG books about what I wanted.
Ceowulf
news:3EF3D502...@attbi.com...
> John Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > reading that for the first time I immediately interpreted that passage
as a
> > sly apology for Jack's poor quality).
>
> Eh, whatever. They weren't perfect, I enjoyed them. I still like the
> character.
>
> By the way, since the thread originator hasn't read these books, might
> want to be careful about spoilers.
Nah thats cool, once I've completed the Exiles saga again and started
hunting after the rest of the recommended books anything written here will
just be a memory :)
Ceo-
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Nah thats cool, once I've completed the Exiles saga again and started
> hunting after the rest of the recommended books anything written here will
> just be a memory :)
One hopes. :)
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> Cool . . .
>> Actually, I was more interested in Adventure!
>
> Adventure! is good too, and made me more money. So, on that basis,
> it's probably better.
Heh, I'll bet it is ;-)
Maybe I'll be able to say something like that myself someday . . .
>> I went and bought a whole lot of TORG stuff recently, when I got
>> interested in pulp adventure roleplaying (the Nile Empire book is a
>> perfect setting for it). Never did pick up Adventure though, I
>> flicked through the rules and to be honest the presentation put me
>> off dropping that much on a single book.
>
> What was wrong with the presentation?
Well, the layout etc looked like something that came out 15 years ago. I
found it quite a slog reading it. I realise it's in theme and everything,
but still.
I guess I was also expecting more of an Indiana Jones theme to it. Ah
well.
>> Anyway, on reading them I immediately thought that it'd be really
>> cool to run a Saga of Exiles psionic campaign (or one based on Anne
>> McAffrey's Pegasus series). It'd be funky to come up with balanced,
>> playable rules for Marc's CE rig, too :)
>
> They have stuff that's sort of like the CE rig.
Which book's it in? I don't have the Psionics book itself, just Supers
and the basic set, and I don't recall anything like that . . .
>> >> Makes for a nice tradeoff.
>> >
>> > The problem I have with GURPS is just the sheer number of skills.
>> > The game will someday collapse under the weight of all the skills,
>> > shrink to quantum scale, and sink to the center of the Earth.
>>
>> It's pretty obscene. The system as a whole is unwieldy, but some
>> sections of the rules are very nice, and the sourcebooks are
>> exceptionally good (e.g. GURPS Japan etc). Good setting information
>> for use with any system, in a lot of cases.
>
> I sort of reached a point where I decided I'd do better to just by
> books about what I wanted instead of RPG books about what I wanted.
Heh. Touche . . .
Still, for a lot of topics the GURPS supplement is a good starting point,
seeing as it's generally heavily summarised (while still accurate), and
has a bibliography if you want more info, plus it's put together
specifically for use in roleplaying, which makes it easier to find the
sort of stuff that'd be useful in a campaign.
For general interest normal reference books are a better bet, of course .
. .
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in
> news:3EF42E86...@attbi.com:
>
> > Chris Proctor wrote:
> >>
> >> Cool . . .
> >> Actually, I was more interested in Adventure!
> >
> > Adventure! is good too, and made me more money. So, on that basis,
> > it's probably better.
>
> Heh, I'll bet it is ;-)
> Maybe I'll be able to say something like that myself someday . . .
It's actually fairly good all the way through.
> >> I went and bought a whole lot of TORG stuff recently, when I got
> >> interested in pulp adventure roleplaying (the Nile Empire book is a
> >> perfect setting for it). Never did pick up Adventure though, I
> >> flicked through the rules and to be honest the presentation put me
> >> off dropping that much on a single book.
> >
> > What was wrong with the presentation?
>
> Well, the layout etc looked like something that came out 15 years ago. I
> found it quite a slog reading it. I realise it's in theme and everything,
> but still.
Which part? The beginning has lots of typewritten pages, but those are
"world/in-game artifacts." Trinity does it too, but since it's set 200
years later, it's all futuristic and weblike. Once you get past that,
the rules are laid out like just about any other late 90s RPG of
quality.
Hmm.
Here's some reviews:
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in
> news:3EF42E86...@attbi.com:
>
> > Chris Proctor wrote:
> >>
> >> Cool . . .
> >> Actually, I was more interested in Adventure!
> >
> > Adventure! is good too, and made me more money. So, on that basis,
> > it's probably better.
>
> Heh, I'll bet it is ;-)
> Maybe I'll be able to say something like that myself someday . . .
Okay, here's some bloody reviews:
http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_4990.html
http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_4878.html
http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_5541.html
This last review is a bit strange. I could give you background on why
it's so strange if you care to ask. Even so, it's not supernegative,
just clueless at points.
http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_5666.html
Julie d'Aubigny
>
I hate Netscape news reader. ANYway.
> I guess I was also expecting more of an Indiana Jones theme to it. Ah
> well.
It had lots of Indiana Jones potential, but it had potential in many
other directions as well. The game itself is best at giving you a
baseline pulp-style experience, and it's just a matter of taking it in
whatever direction you want.
> > They have stuff that's sort of like the CE rig.
>
> Which book's it in? I don't have the Psionics book itself, just Supers
> and the basic set, and I don't recall anything like that . . .
In the Psionics book, as a matter of fact.
> > I sort of reached a point where I decided I'd do better to just by
> > books about what I wanted instead of RPG books about what I wanted.
>
> Heh. Touche . . .
I'm not saying the GURPS books aren't any good, I just got a bit tired
of them for awhile.
> Still, for a lot of topics the GURPS supplement is a good starting point,
> seeing as it's generally heavily summarised (while still accurate), and
> has a bibliography if you want more info, plus it's put together
> specifically for use in roleplaying, which makes it easier to find the
> sort of stuff that'd be useful in a campaign.
>
> For general interest normal reference books are a better bet, of course .
> . .
Indeed.
I think Google's better for that stuff, too. Except for the evil
cookies.
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>
> I hate Netscape news reader. ANYway.
It really does suck. I used it for a while and had to switch.
>> I guess I was also expecting more of an Indiana Jones theme to it. Ah
>> well.
>
> It had lots of Indiana Jones potential, but it had potential in many
> other directions as well. The game itself is best at giving you a
> baseline pulp-style experience, and it's just a matter of taking it in
> whatever direction you want.
Like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen!
Someday . . .
>> > They have stuff that's sort of like the CE rig.
>>
>> Which book's it in? I don't have the Psionics book itself, just
>> Supers and the basic set, and I don't recall anything like that . . .
>
> In the Psionics book, as a matter of fact.
There we go then ;-)
Are the Psionic rules worth picking up? I like the rules in the basic set,
but from what I've read I wouldn't be interested in using the GURPS Psionic
campaign setting info, so it seems like it'd be wasted on me . . .
Chris
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in
>> news:3EF42E86...@attbi.com:
>>
>> > Chris Proctor wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Cool . . .
>> >> Actually, I was more interested in Adventure!
>> >
>> > Adventure! is good too, and made me more money. So, on that basis,
>> > it's probably better.
>>
>> Heh, I'll bet it is ;-)
>> Maybe I'll be able to say something like that myself someday . . .
>
> Okay, here's some bloody reviews:
>
> http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_4990.html
> http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_4878.html
> http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_5541.html
>
> This last review is a bit strange. I could give you background on why
> it's so strange if you care to ask. Even so, it's not supernegative,
> just clueless at points.
>
> http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_5666.html
Hehe.
Yeah, I read a bunch of these reviews on rpg.net when I was considering
buying it, and almost did so just on the strength of them. At $60 AUD I
wasn't willing to pick it up once it didn't grab me from a quick browse
in the shop though. I got the TORG stuff instead, which was a pretty good
deal (West End Games was having a huge clearance sale on TORG stuff, so
it was ridiculously cheap).
Yeesh, that last one is LONG!!
The thing about Adventure that I like the most right now is the
possibility of running a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen campaign with
it . . . but I've had no success getting players for it, so . . . yeah.
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> > I hate Netscape news reader. ANYway.
>
> It really does suck. I used it for a while and had to switch.
I think the only reason I keep using it is habit. Except for one
particular thing (ctrl + enter = send post), it's really not a problem.
> > It had lots of Indiana Jones potential, but it had potential in many
> > other directions as well. The game itself is best at giving you a
> > baseline pulp-style experience, and it's just a matter of taking it in
> > whatever direction you want.
>
> Like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen!
> Someday . . .
Indeed. The LoEG comic would fit perfectly into Adventure!
> >> > They have stuff that's sort of like the CE rig.
> >>
> >> Which book's it in? I don't have the Psionics book itself, just
> >> Supers and the basic set, and I don't recall anything like that . . .
> >
> > In the Psionics book, as a matter of fact.
>
> There we go then ;-)
> Are the Psionic rules worth picking up? I like the rules in the basic set,
> but from what I've read I wouldn't be interested in using the GURPS Psionic
> campaign setting info, so it seems like it'd be wasted on me . . .
The GURPS Psionics book is quite good, actually. As I said, it covers
everything but psychocreativity a la Julian May.
The rules take up the majority of the book - powers, gadgets, that sort
of thing.
The big problem with psionics is that they're one of the most efficient
ways to spend points for power in GURPS.
Julie d'Aubigny
Ah, yeah, $60 AUD is a lot.
If I still had a spare author's copy, I'd send you one. Alas, this is
not the case.
> Yeesh, that last one is LONG!!
>
> The thing about Adventure that I like the most right now is the
> possibility of running a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen campaign with
> it . . . but I've had no success getting players for it, so . . . yeah.
I could see how this would be a problem.
Speaking of the League, btw, Jess Nevins (author of that annotated LoEG
book) is (or at least was) a regular poster on the Adventure! list. I
think he still posts to pulp_games. Fun guy.
Chris Proctor
The thought is appreciated :-)
It'd only be for interest since I'm unlikely to be playing a pulp
campaign though . . .
>> Yeesh, that last one is LONG!!
>>
>> The thing about Adventure that I like the most right now is the
>> possibility of running a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen campaign
>> with it . . . but I've had no success getting players for it, so . .
>> . yeah.
>
> I could see how this would be a problem.
I'm still playing with my old group from high school (a while back now),
and most of them have never played anything but D&D ;-)
> Speaking of the League, btw, Jess Nevins (author of that annotated
> LoEG book) is (or at least was) a regular poster on the Adventure!
> list. I think he still posts to pulp_games. Fun guy.
Doesn't surprise me, there's bound to be a substantial overlap in
audience . . .
I got into LoEG through Alan Moore fandom though, so I'm not a pulp fan
particularly.
I keep meaning to check out that annotated LoEG book, too. Must do that
sometime :)
Chris
Chris Proctor
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> > I hate Netscape news reader. ANYway.
>>
>> It really does suck. I used it for a while and had to switch.
>
> I think the only reason I keep using it is habit. Except for one
> particular thing (ctrl + enter = send post), it's really not a
> problem.
Well, if you're in the market for a new newsreader, I recommend Xnews. The
interface takes some getting used to though . . .
>> Are the Psionic rules worth picking up? I like the rules in the basic
>> set, but from what I've read I wouldn't be interested in using the
>> GURPS Psionic campaign setting info, so it seems like it'd be wasted
>> on me . . .
>
> The GURPS Psionics book is quite good, actually. As I said, it covers
> everything but psychocreativity a la Julian May.
>
> The rules take up the majority of the book - powers, gadgets, that
> sort of thing.
If I see it around fairly cheaply I'll pick it up. Sounds interesting.
> The big problem with psionics is that they're one of the most
> efficient ways to spend points for power in GURPS.
They certainly jumped out at me when I was reading the GURPS book ;-)
Chris
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in
> news:3EF45BD8...@attbi.com:
>
> > Chris Proctor wrote:
> >>
> >> > I hate Netscape news reader. ANYway.
> >>
> >> It really does suck. I used it for a while and had to switch.
> >
> > I think the only reason I keep using it is habit. Except for one
> > particular thing (ctrl + enter = send post), it's really not a
> > problem.
>
> Well, if you're in the market for a new newsreader, I recommend Xnews. The
> interface takes some getting used to though . . .
I tend to get annoyed if my taskbar gets cluttered. With netscape, I can
have news and e-mail take up one spot.
> > The big problem with psionics is that they're one of the most
> > efficient ways to spend points for power in GURPS.
>
> They certainly jumped out at me when I was reading the GURPS book ;-)
It really shows once you get to 500 points, so it may not be an issue.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> >> Hehe.
> >> Yeah, I read a bunch of these reviews on rpg.net when I was
> >> considering buying it, and almost did so just on the strength of
> >> them. At $60 AUD I wasn't willing to pick it up once it didn't grab
> >> me from a quick browse in the shop though. I got the TORG stuff
> >> instead, which was a pretty good deal (West End Games was having a
> >> huge clearance sale on TORG stuff, so it was ridiculously cheap).
> >
> > Ah, yeah, $60 AUD is a lot.
> >
> > If I still had a spare author's copy, I'd send you one. Alas, this is
> > not the case.
>
> The thought is appreciated :-)
> It'd only be for interest since I'm unlikely to be playing a pulp
> campaign though . . .
Well, I only had three, and the second spare went away a year or two
ago.
> >> Yeesh, that last one is LONG!!
> >>
> >> The thing about Adventure that I like the most right now is the
> >> possibility of running a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen campaign
> >> with it . . . but I've had no success getting players for it, so . .
> >> . yeah.
> >
> > I could see how this would be a problem.
>
> I'm still playing with my old group from high school (a while back now),
> and most of them have never played anything but D&D ;-)
This is pretty common.
> > Speaking of the League, btw, Jess Nevins (author of that annotated
> > LoEG book) is (or at least was) a regular poster on the Adventure!
> > list. I think he still posts to pulp_games. Fun guy.
>
> Doesn't surprise me, there's bound to be a substantial overlap in
> audience . . .
> I got into LoEG through Alan Moore fandom though, so I'm not a pulp fan
> particularly.
I'm not sure how Jess got into them, although I know he's a big fan of
penny dreadfuls and pulps and just about any really good adventure
fiction that's about a hundred years old.
> I keep meaning to check out that annotated LoEG book, too. Must do that
> sometime :)
It's fairly good.
Chris Proctor
@attbi.com:
> Chris Proctor wrote:
>>
>> > If I still had a spare author's copy, I'd send you one. Alas, this is
>> > not the case.
>>
>> The thought is appreciated :-)
>> It'd only be for interest since I'm unlikely to be playing a pulp
>> campaign though . . .
>
> Well, I only had three, and the second spare went away a year or two
> ago.
Yeah, a familiar story . . . (I had the same thing happen with my copies of
WBC2 - so many deserving people, so few freebies :)).
>> >> Yeesh, that last one is LONG!!
>> >>
>> >> The thing about Adventure that I like the most right now is the
>> >> possibility of running a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen campaign
>> >> with it . . . but I've had no success getting players for it, so . .
>> >> . yeah.
>> >
>> > I could see how this would be a problem.
>>
>> I'm still playing with my old group from high school (a while back now),
>> and most of them have never played anything but D&D ;-)
>
> This is pretty common.
*sob*
Chris
John Reynolds
I'm sorry but watching the Angel of the Abyss basically being a puppet
rather detracted from the level of his villainy. I really liked Marc's
character in the Saga, too, so the creation of Fury and his imprinted slaves
was a bit much for my tastes. The heavy emphasis on the Shirley Mclane
chakra points was a bit too new age-ish for me too.
And let's talk about Magnificat's ending. Blech! Literally out of nowhere
Rogi's old flame shows up on his doorstep with champagne and is ready to
renew their former love. How utterly f*cking trite.
Hmm, I'm starting to get on a roll here but I'll stop. The Milieu trilogy
is just garbage compared to the Saga.
John
"Julie d'Aubigny" <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3EF3D502...@attbi.com...
> Eh, whatever.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Julie d'Aubigny <kalima...@attbi.com> wrote in news:3EF4678C.8898CCB1
> @attbi.com:
>
> > Chris Proctor wrote:
> >>
> >> > If I still had a spare author's copy, I'd send you one. Alas, this is
> >> > not the case.
> >>
> >> The thought is appreciated :-)
> >> It'd only be for interest since I'm unlikely to be playing a pulp
> >> campaign though . . .
> >
> > Well, I only had three, and the second spare went away a year or two
> > ago.
>
> Yeah, a familiar story . . . (I had the same thing happen with my copies of
> WBC2 - so many deserving people, so few freebies :)).
Not surprising there.
> >> I'm still playing with my old group from high school (a while back now),
> >> and most of them have never played anything but D&D ;-)
> >
> > This is pretty common.
>
> *sob*
Could be worse. You could hate D&D with every fiber of your being.
Julie d'Aubigny
>
> Great response. Pithy, succinct, witty.
Longer than what you topposted over.
> I'm sorry but watching the Angel of the Abyss basically being a puppet
> rather detracted from the level of his villainy. I really liked Marc's
> character in the Saga, too, so the creation of Fury and his imprinted slaves
> was a bit much for my tastes. The heavy emphasis on the Shirley Mclane
> chakra points was a bit too new age-ish for me too.
I think that Marc's decisions/reactions do not stem entirely from being
a puppet. I'm not sure that they mostly stem from being a puppet.
> And let's talk about Magnificat's ending. Blech! Literally out of nowhere
>
> Hmm, I'm starting to get on a roll here but I'll stop. The Milieu trilogy
> is just garbage compared to the Saga.
And yet I and others enjoyed it.