Info on "Voyager"
Alan L.M. Buxey
: Hi,
: Anyone got any latest news on the VaporSoft Voyager Browser?? ;)
oops, please dont post anything -> I got c.s.a.networking updated.. ;)
alan
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Alan L.M. Buxey
Anyone got any latest news on the VaporSoft Voyager Browser?? ;)
alan
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Jeff Grimmett
>Anyone got any latest news on the VaporSoft Voyager Browser?? ;)
Try http://www.vapor.com/voyager .
Per Jacobsen
> Try http://www.vapor.com/voyager .
I must say, i don't find it entirely comforting that the address is "vapor"
;-)
Bob Maple
PJ> I must say, i don't find it entirely comforting that the address is
PJ> "vapor"
I found it somewhat ironic also.
Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of software,
by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
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: I must say, i don't find it entirely comforting that the address is "vapor"
i think its quite good that someone can be brave enough to call their
S/w company "VaporSoft" ;)
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Dan J. Fraser
In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of software,
> by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
This also means that they expect people to use several MUI applications,
including a WEB BROWSER on a 2MB Amiga. What the hell? Have they flipped
their lids?
I guess we'll find out in the near future.
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howard daniel joseph
: In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
: > Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of software,
: > by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
: This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
: This also means that they expect people to use several MUI applications,
: including a WEB BROWSER on a 2MB Amiga. What the hell? Have they flipped
: their lids?
MUI3.2 is being especially written/optimised to run on a 2M A1200.
: I guess we'll find out in the near future.
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In article <4egd57$r...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> djho...@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (howard daniel joseph) writes:
> MUI3.2 is being especially written/optimised to run on a 2M A1200.
I can imagine MUI running just fine on a 2MB machine. But other software
running at the SAME TIME? Hmm, that'll be a close call.
Also, to buffer even some of the simplest WEB pages in RAM for effecient
scrolling will take nearly 512 kilobytes. Even AWeb, which is quite
effecient requires nearly this much space.
Unless Voyager/BlazeBrowse/Mindwaker/whatever has some sort of virtual
memory support for low memory situations, it won't be a viable solution in
2MB.
howard daniel joseph
: In article <4egd57$r...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> djho...@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (howard daniel joseph) writes:
: > MUI3.2 is being especially written/optimised to run on a 2M A1200.
: I can imagine MUI running just fine on a 2MB machine. But other software
: running at the SAME TIME? Hmm, that'll be a close call.
You're forgetting something here.
This isn't aimed at power users.
And by power user, I mean people who think they could keep track
of more than one program at a time ...
Also, the 1200+ or whatever is in development, and can hopefully
replace the A1200.
You got a better solution?
This is targeted at people who just wanna surf really, and those
crazy Amiga people who will likely expand as quickly as they can afford
but can't wait for the 1200+ :)
: Also, to buffer even some of the simplest WEB pages in RAM for effecient
: scrolling will take nearly 512 kilobytes. Even AWeb, which is quite
: effecient requires nearly this much space.
512k sys + 512k buffer on browser, +256k network overhead leaves
~600k free, enough to run AmIRC or so ...
Also bear in mind, a lot of people will be using TV screens, not
much resolution or crowded Workbenches. This pack, is in essence, to
networking what the A500 was to games. :) The cheapest computer out
there, but cramped for "power users" :)
: Unless Voyager/BlazeBrowse/Mindwaker/whatever has some sort of virtual
: memory support for low memory situations, it won't be a viable solution in
: 2MB.
watch out! It's got a harddrive ... I'm sure MindWalker isn't
this advanced yet. It's still learning HTML I hear ...
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(dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
>In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
>> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
>> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
>This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
^^^
>This also means that they expect people to use several MUI applications,
>including a WEB BROWSER on a 2MB Amiga. What the hell? Have they flipped
>their lids?
>I guess we'll find out in the near future.
Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nope
there's no MUI at work there.
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: >In message <19960127.7...@mother.com> Dan J. Fraser
: >(dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
: >>In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
: >>> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
: >>> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
: >>This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
: > ^^^
: >Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
^
You are both speaking of different programs ...
The first one is called AmFTP, its written by Matthias Mischler and will be
part of the SurfPak of AT. AmFTP *uses* MUI.
The otherone is AmiFTP written by Magnus Lilja and this one *does NOT*
require MUI.
AmFTP by Matthias Mischler is the very best FTP-Client I have ever seen.
It includes an ADT, and Archie functions.
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In a message of 24 Jan 96 you wrote to All:
>> I must say, i don't find it entirely comforting that the address is
>> "vapor"
ALM> i think its quite good that someone can be brave enough to call their
ALM> S/w company "VaporSoft" ;)
It seems an unually honest and apt name, since all software is vapor until it
is published, installed and running :^)
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Dan J. Fraser
In article <1074.6602...@crl.com> joe...@crl.com (Joseph Waldvogel) writes:
> >Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
> >there's no MUI at work there.
>
> ALSO uses MUI, it accucally requires MUI 3.2. You sure don't test programs
> out very well. I see the MUI Gagets on the program, I sure access MUI.
> It does NOT use ClassAct or any other GUI.
There are TWO different programs here. AmiFTP and AmFTP are completely
different beasties.
One is an awesome FTP program, and the other uses MUI.
Kip Pesuti
>probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nope
>there's no MUI at work there.
Not "AmiFTP", AmFTP. No "i". It's a different program which does use MUI.
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> In message <19960127.7...@mother.com> Dan J. Fraser
> (dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
> >In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
> >> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
> >> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
> >This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
> Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
> probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nope
> there's no MUI at work there.
Please read the posting again. AmiFTP was *not* mentioned.
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On or about 30-Jan-96 07:25:21 Joseph Waldvogel typed the following words about "Re: Info on "Voyager"". My reply is thus...
>>In message <19960127.7...@mother.com> Dan J. Fraser
>>(dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
>>>In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) write
>>>> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
>>>> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
>>>This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
>> ^^^
>>>This also means that they expect people to use several MUI applications
>>>including a WEB BROWSER on a 2MB Amiga. What the hell? Have they flip
>>>their lids?
>>>I guess we'll find out in the near future.
>>Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct
>>probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nop
>>there's no MUI at work there.
JW> I've been using AmIRC and latly AmFTP and BOTH use MUI!!! By the way VOY
JW> ALSO uses MUI, it accucally requires MUI 3.2. You sure don't test progra
JW> out very well. I see the MUI Gagets on the program, I sure access MUI.
JW> It does NOT use ClassAct or any other GUI.
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On or about 30-Jan-96 07:25:21 Joseph Waldvogel typed the following words
about "Re: Info on "Voyager"". My reply is thus...
>>In message <19960127.7...@mother.com> Dan J. Fraser
>>(dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
>>>In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) write
>>>> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
>>>> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
>>>This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
>> ^^^
>>>This also means that they expect people to use several MUI applications
>>>including a WEB BROWSER on a 2MB Amiga. What the hell? Have they flip
>>>their lids?
>>>I guess we'll find out in the near future.
>>Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct
>>probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nop
>>there's no MUI at work there.
JW> I've been using AmIRC and latly AmFTP and BOTH use MUI!!! By the way VOY
^^^^^
I don't think so. AmiFTP does *NOT* use MUI. Have you looked at the About
window in AmiFTP? It says "ClassAct is © Phantom Development". The same
copyright notice is on the first page of the docs.
JW> ALSO uses MUI, it accucally requires MUI 3.2. You sure don't test progra
JW> out very well. I see the MUI Gagets on the program, I sure access MUI.
JW> It does NOT use ClassAct or any other GUI.
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Joseph Waldvogel
>>> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
>>> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
>>This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
> ^^^
>>This also means that they expect people to use several MUI applications,
>>including a WEB BROWSER on a 2MB Amiga. What the hell? Have they flipped
>>their lids?
>>I guess we'll find out in the near future.
>Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
>probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nope
>there's no MUI at work there.
I've been using AmIRC and latly AmFTP and BOTH use MUI!!! By the way VOYAGER
ALSO uses MUI, it accucally requires MUI 3.2. You sure don't test programs
out very well. I see the MUI Gagets on the program, I sure access MUI.
Mathew Hendry
:
: [Attribution lost to the void] wrote:
: >Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
: >probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nope
: >there's no MUI at work there.
:
: I've been using AmIRC and latly AmFTP and BOTH use MUI!!! By the way VOYAGER
: ALSO uses MUI, it accucally requires MUI 3.2. You sure don't test programs
: out very well. I see the MUI Gagets on the program, I sure access MUI.
: It does NOT use ClassAct or any other GUI.
I think you're confusing AmiFTP and AmFTP. AmiFTP is written by Magnus Lilja
and uses ClassAct. AmFTP is written by Oliver Wagner (sp?) and uses MUI.
AmFTP is the one included in the "Surfer Pack".
-- Mat.
Kevin Phair
> Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
> probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nope
> there's no MUI at work there.
I believe the original author was talking about "AmFTP", which does
appear to use MUI. The official announcement that I've seen from AT
suggests that MUI 2.3 will be included in the 'Web Surfer' pack.
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JW> >Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct.
JW> I've been using AmIRC and latly AmFTP and BOTH use MUI!!!
Actually you're talking about two different programs.. AmiFTP and AmFTP
(notice the 'i'). AmFTP is an MUI product, whereas AmiFTP is not.
Michael B. Smith
> In message <19960127.7...@mother.com> Dan J. Fraser
> (dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
> >In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
> >> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
> >> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
>
> >This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
^^^
> probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically. Nope
> there's no MUI at work there.
AmFTP != AmiFTP.
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Joseph Waldvogel
>Joseph Waldvogel (joe...@crl.com) wrote:
>: >In message <19960127.7...@mother.com> Dan J. Fraser
>: >(dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
>: >>In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
>: >>> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
>: >>> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
>: >>This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
>: > ^^^
>: >Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct.
>: >You
> ^
>You are both speaking of different programs ...
>The first one is called AmFTP, its written by Matthias Mischler and will be
>part of the SurfPak of AT. AmFTP *uses* MUI.
>The otherone is AmiFTP written by Magnus Lilja and this one *does NOT*
>require MUI.
>AmFTP by Matthias Mischler is the very best FTP-Client I have ever seen.
>It includes an ADT, and Archie functions.
>To get more information about the SurfPak of AT check out my Web-Site
> http://hahn.heim1.tu-clausthal.de/SurfPak.html
>for running on my AMIGA it may happen that you can not reach it at the first
>time, so try more often.
Ya your right! I was using MFTP, but now after getting my hands of AmFTP and
using it, it FAR FAR better then MFTP, or Any of them other FTP programs out
there. As for it using MUI, Who cares, your already using it for other things
now anyway, besides the program is QUICK, you really can't even tell anyway
from looking at it. Of course I've been using AmIRC now for quite some time
and that RULES also. I was sent a couple Snapshots of Voyager to see what it
looked like, and I must say it looks COOL also, Kind of has that Netscape
Look, I guess you could say, and uses MUI also. I like MUI. Makes things
Easyer for the programmer, makes things easyer, more configurable for ME.
Sure it's not as FAST as other GUI's, but that's the price you PAY for
features. The days of 68000 processors are GONE, People better get out of
the 80's with there systems, and UPGRADE not complain about there SSLLLOOWWW
computers, Gezz and wonder why the Amiga is laging behind everyone else these
days. Can't wait to add a PowerPC board to my A1200 when they come out, I
think I can wait that long, I don't want to just spend it on a 060 card
right now, a 030/50Mzh system is fast enough right now.
Maybe I'll get the SurferPack myself. Who knows, I really don't want to have
to pay for VooDoo which I hear is Included, I alreay have payed for THOR.
John Hertell
hdj> ~600k free, enough to run AmIRC or so ...
Doesnt U forget that the system also grabs quite much memory during boot?
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Dan J. Fraser <dfr...@mother.com> wrote:
DJF> There are TWO different programs here. AmiFTP and AmFTP are completely
DJF> different beasties.
DJF>
DJF> One is an awesome FTP program, and the other uses MUI.
Wrong. The one awesome FTP program uses MUI.
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L Mac Mullan <pros...@internet-eireann.ie> wrote:
>
>Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct. You
>there's no MUI at work there.
Amen
>
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Joseph Waldvogel
>In article <19960130.7...@mother.com>: "Re: Info on "Voyager""
>Dan J. Fraser <dfr...@mother.com> wrote:
DJF>> There are TWO different programs here. AmiFTP and AmFTP are completely
DJF>> different beasties.
DJF>>
DJF>> One is an awesome FTP program, and the other uses MUI.
>Wrong. The one awesome FTP program uses MUI.
AmFTP Rules! So what if it uses MUI, it's quite FAST! It's the BEST FTP
program out!
L Mac Mullan
>> Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct.
>> You probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically.
>> Nope there's no MUI at work there.
>I believe the original author was talking about "AmFTP", which does
>appear to use MUI. The official announcement that I've seen from AT
>suggests that MUI 2.3 will be included in the 'Web Surfer' pack.
Oops, Mea Culpa, I went back and saw the missing 'i'. (Off he heads to get
a new pair of glasses....8*)
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>I don't think so. AmiFTP does *NOT* use MUI. Have you looked at the About
>window in AmiFTP? It says "ClassAct is © Phantom Development". The same
>copyright notice is on the first page of the docs.
Well they are two totally different programs,you are referring to Am"i"FTP
and not AmFTP.AmFTP uses MUI AmiFtp uses class act I beleive.Hope that
clears things up.
Torbjörn Aronsson
JW> AmFTP Rules! So what if it uses MUI, it's quite FAST! It's the BEST FTP
JW> program out!
Isn't that a matter of taste ? :) Or do you eat shit because 100.000.000 flyes
does ? :)
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: suggests that MUI 2.3 will be included in the 'Web Surfer' pack.
3.2
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>>In message <19960127.7...@mother.com> Dan J. Fraser
>>(dfr...@mother.com) wrote:
>>>In article <bmapl...@burner.com> bma...@burner.com (Bob Maple) writes:
>>>> Although, they are putting out AmFTP and AmIRC (Two great pieces of
>>>> software, by the way!) and they _do_ exist.. :)
>>>This also means that they are including MUI, which is VERY scary.
>> ^^^
>>>This also means that they expect people to use several MUI applications,
>>>including a WEB BROWSER on a 2MB Amiga. What the hell? Have they flipped
>>>their lids?
>>>I guess we'll find out in the near future.
>>Erm, I just checked AmiFTP, it uses another upcoming GUI called ClassAct.
>>You probably did not notice it because AmiFTP installs it automatically.
>>Nope there's no MUI at work there.
>I've been using AmIRC and latly AmFTP and BOTH use MUI!!! By the way VOYAGER
>ALSO uses MUI, it accucally requires MUI 3.2. You sure don't test programs
>out very well. I see the MUI Gagets on the program, I sure access MUI. It
>does NOT use ClassAct or any other GUI.
AmFTP uses MUI.
AmiFTP uses ClassAct.
AmFTP != AmiFTP.
End of confusion.
/Mans
Gabriele Greco
In a message dated 02 Feb 96 you wrote to All :
t> >I don't think so. AmiFTP does *NOT* use MUI. Have you looked at the
t> About >window in AmiFTP? It says "ClassAct is ) Phantom Development".
t> The same >copyright notice is on the first page of the docs.
t> Am"i"FTP and not AmFTP.AmFTP uses MUI AmiFtp uses class act I
t> beleive.Hope that clears things up.
It will be very funny to make another ftp client called aftp using bgui, I read
about 30 replys about am / ami ftp, how many replies we have with a 3 program
confusion? :-)
Ciao,
Gabry
George Sanderson
:> MUI3.2 is being especially written/optimised to run on a 2M A1200.
:I can imagine MUI running just fine on a 2MB machine. But other software
:running at the SAME TIME? Hmm, that'll be a close call.
you're overestimating the memory requirements for MUI. The MUI system
has been split up into smaller libraries. Only the ones that are
necessary are actually loaded. It will work on 2 mb machines and a web
browser without problems.
Ish Hallin
GS> you're overestimating the memory requirements for MUI. The MUI system
GS> has been split up into smaller libraries. Only the ones that are
GS> necessary are actually loaded. It will work on 2 mb machines and a web
GS> browser without problems.
Quite right, the web browser will run harmoniously with MUI and everything
else in two megs. But guess what? You're forgetting about the TCP/IP, not to
mention the fact that after doing all this you'll have some 100k left, which
doesn't exactly help when using that really ugly JPEG datatype. I'm glad I
have more memory than that..
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Alan L.M. Buxey
: doesn't exactly help when using that really ugly JPEG datatype. I'm glad I
assign t: sys:t ??
alan
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Joseph Waldvogel
>Hello Bahman,
> In a message dated 04 Feb 96 you wrote to All :
BM>> You are mixing AmiFTP amd AmFTP. They are 2 different programs.
BM>> AmFTP is just aweome.
>Where I can FTP AmFTP & AmIRC?
>I've not seen them on aminet...
AmFTP and AmIRC are both BETA's. Beta's of program's arn't posted on AmiNet,
just like AMosiac, IBrowse, and many other programs. You get Beta's from the
Support location. That happens to be,
ftp.vapor.com or www.vapor.com
Torbjörn Aronsson
>>Hello Bahman,
>> In a message dated 04 Feb 96 you wrote to All :
BM>>> You are mixing AmiFTP amd AmFTP. They are 2 different programs.
BM>>> AmFTP is just aweome.
>>Where I can FTP AmFTP & AmIRC?
>>I've not seen them on aminet...
JW> AmFTP and AmIRC are both BETA's. Beta's of program's arn't posted on Ami
JW> just like AMosiac, IBrowse, and many other programs. You get Beta's from
JW> Support location. That happens to be,
JW> ftp.vapor.com or www.vapor.com
Regards
Torbjorn...@mailbox.swipnet.se
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> On Tue 6-Feb-1996 9:03a, George Sanderson wrote:
> GS> you're overestimating the memory requirements for MUI. The MUI system
> GS> has been split up into smaller libraries. Only the ones that are
> GS> necessary are actually loaded. It will work on 2 mb machines and a web
> GS> browser without problems.
> Quite right, the web browser will run harmoniously with MUI and everything
> else in two megs. But guess what? You're forgetting about the TCP/IP, not to
> mention the fact that after doing all this you'll have some 100k left, which
> doesn't exactly help when using that really ugly JPEG datatype. I'm glad I
> have more memory than that..
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I love this debate. People are complaining about web browsing on ONLY 2M
RAM and not being able to run anything else at the same time. At work I
use a Pentium with Windoze 3.141592654 with 48M of RAM and can't run
more than Netscape. I love coming home to my puny little A1200 running at
14Mhz and going faster than the Pentiums at work. I just thought it was
funny.
I do agree that 2M RAM does not allow for much of the wonderful
graphics found on the web, but I find RAM the least of my limitations.
The 14.4k combined with the 14Mhz processor make large Jpegs load
SLOWLY! Other than that, I love my only slightly expanded A1200(6M RAM).
I have found that IBrowse with GIFs and simpler pages over my 14.4 loads
pages somewhat faster than the Pentium/Netscape/T1 setup at work. Oh
well, just my rants for the evening.
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John Millington
: I love this debate. People are complaining about web browsing on ONLY 2M
: RAM and not being able to run anything else at the same time. At work I
: use a Pentium with Windoze 3.141592654 with 48M of RAM and can't run
: more than Netscape. I love coming home to my puny little A1200 running at
: 14Mhz and going faster than the Pentiums at work. I just thought it was
: funny.
I thought it was kinda funny for a few years too, but after a while
it gets depressing. It seems like Windoze is getting a lot more
development work than Real Computers. (BTW, if you're willing to try
something fun, install OS/2 Warp on that 48M Pentium. You'll find it to
be just as fast as your A1200 for most things, and even faster at some
things.)
2M is very lame. We don't want people to buy these 2M Amigas and then
say "Hey, people told me the Amiga was fast. But it doesn't seem any
faster than my PeeCee. I got cheated." It's really unfortunate that
they're willing to sell it w/out any fast RAM.
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
John Millington
Dan J. Fraser
In article <4gbjno$c...@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> wal...@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Sean Walker) writes:
> I love this debate. People are complaining about web browsing on ONLY 2M
> RAM and not being able to run anything else at the same time. At work I
> use a Pentium with Windoze 3.141592654 with 48M of RAM and can't run
> more than Netscape. I love coming home to my puny little A1200 running at
In this case, there is a SERIOUS problem with your PC. Perhaps you should
take it to someone with a bit of computer knowledge and have it looked at
-- it should easily blow away the 14MHz AGA A1200. Easily. With half its
RAM tied behind its back. No contest.
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Sean Walker
> Sean Walker (wal...@ecs.ecs.csus.edu) wrote:
> : I love this debate. People are complaining about web browsing on ONLY 2M
...
> faster than my PeeCee. I got cheated." It's really unfortunate that
> they're willing to sell it w/out any fast RAM.
> Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
> John Millington
I agree. When I put some fast on my system, I thought the increase in
speed was incredible. I just would really like to see a
PowerPC604@200Mhz as my next speed improvement. What a difference! I am
looking forward to that.
Sean Walker
> In article <4gbjno$c...@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> wal...@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Sean Walker) writes:
> > I love this debate. People are complaining about web browsing on ONLY 2M
> > RAM and not being able to run anything else at the same time. At work I
> > use a Pentium with Windoze 3.141592654 with 48M of RAM and can't run
> > more than Netscape. I love coming home to my puny little A1200 running at
> In this case, there is a SERIOUS problem with your PC. Perhaps you should
> take it to someone with a bit of computer knowledge and have it looked at
> -- it should easily blow away the 14MHz AGA A1200. Easily. With half its
> RAM tied behind its back. No contest.
> --
> Dan J. Fraser -- dfr...@mother.com
> http://www.mother.com/~dfraser
> IRC Nick: Optic Finger me for PGP public key
> I exist as I am, that is enough. - Walt Whitman
I wasn't talking raw processing power. I was talking about usability and
multitasking. If I am running Netscape, most programs either refuse to
run or will GPF the system. There are several bugs in Netscape that
allow this, but I was using a literary term called a hyperbole, except
that it wasn't a gross exaggeration. I load up PhotoChop and watch
as I can no longer run anything else. I run GroupWise and, well, nothing
else at all.
The problem I am referring to is a simple little RAM
limitation. It is not the 48M, it is the 640K. Being on a network, much
of my 640K is already used up. I fire up Windoze and lose the rest. I
use PC's at work. I ENJOY coming home to my 14Mhz A1200 because it is
faster to use. The machine starts up faster. The windows draw faster.
The programs load faster. The jpegs load slower. The archives
compress/decompress slower. I live with that, and I would LOVE to have a
faster processor. Even without the fast processor, my machine is fast.
If I had a fast processor, then look out! Have you ever just double
clicked on the WordIMPerfect icon and sat back and watched? On anything
less than a Pentium, it is enough time to get a cup of coffee and enjoy
it. WordIMPerfect is a HUGE program that does not do anything, anything
worthwhile that is. My wife uses a 386SuX16 at work and you should see
WordIMPerfect scream (in agony that is). I have yet to see any Amiga
application as memory hungry as the typical Windoze program. Even
Lightwave(Amiga) uses less memory than does WordIMPerfect or PhotoChop!
I would hate to see Lightwave on a Windoze machine.
To sum it all up, my A1200@14Mhz can run faster within less ram
in practical running situations than the Pentium I use at work, but the
Pentium will trounce my A1200 in raw power any day. I would love to have a
processor set up like the $1.3Million server I saw the other day (8 DEC
Alphas@300Mhz and half a gig of RAM etc.), but it is a little out of my
butget range. Even the 68030 accellerators are out of my budget right now!
Wessel Dankers
> clicked on the WordIMPerfect icon and sat back and watched? On anything
> less than a Pentium, it is enough time to get a cup of coffee and enjoy
> it. WordIMPerfect is a HUGE program that does not do anything, anything
> worthwhile that is. My wife uses a 386SuX16 at work and you should see
> WordIMPerfect scream (in agony that is). I have yet to see any Amiga
> application as memory hungry as the typical Windoze program. Even
> Lightwave(Amiga) uses less memory than does WordIMPerfect or PhotoChop!
have their own GUI code and other stuff, exactly that which MUI does for you
on a computer.
> processor set up like the $1.3Million server I saw the other day (8 DEC
> Alphas@300Mhz and half a gig of RAM etc.), but it is a little out of my
That expensive? An SGI Onyx (8 RISC processors, 0.5 GB RAM) costs "only"
$200,000... I've played around with one once - a helicopter simulator:
1600x1280x24bit@70fps. Wow.
> butget range. Even the 68030 accellerators are out of my budget right now!
MPC604!
MPC604!
MPC604!
(freak, freak)
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: How much times faster is a single MPC620@300MHz than a standard no-fast-mem
: A1200 (68EC020@14MHz)? (with SysInfo or equiv, or just MIPS)
well, for a start, how can we tell this? since the chip isnt available
as the main CPU for an amiga yet, and no amiga propgram would have been
written to use it.
In terms of MIPs, the 14MHz 020 with no fast mem would scoop around 1.05
MIPS
a 300MHz 620 (and the amiga will have 603 i think anyway) with some
fastram to use will do about 360 MIPS ....
..a lsight difference dont you think?!?
alan
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