2nd RFD: comp.sys.acorn reorganization
am...@cup.cam.ac.uk
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This is a revised RFD issued as a result of discussions in news.groups.
If you have any comment on the contents of this RFD please follow up
to news.groups. There are two changes to group names from the first RFD.
comp.sys.acorn.comm was changed to comp.sys.acorn.networking,
comp.sys.acorn.software was changed to comp.sys.acorn.apps,
semantic change concerning rename of comp.sys.acorn for group-advice@uunet.
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Group names : comp.sys.acorn.programmer, comp.sys.acorn.hardware,
comp.sys.acorn.apps, comp.sys.acorn.networking,
comp.sys.acorn.misc.
Status : Unmoderated
Distribution: world
Proposer : Andy Mell (am...@cup.cam.ac.uk)
Summary : CREATE five new newsgroups (as above)
DELETE comp.sys.acorn.tech
RENAME comp.sys.acorn TO comp.sys.acorn.misc
Posted to : news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.sys.acorn.announce,
comp.sys.acorn, comp.sys.acorn.tech
Justification
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Currently, the comp.sys.acorn newsgroup hierarchy consists of:
comp.sys.acorn
comp.sys.acorn.tech
comp.sys.acorn.announce
comp.sys.acorn.games
comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
The current configuration has its problems in that the main comp.sys.acorn
newsgroup currently carries most of the traffic, making it very hard
to separate out the articles that readers are interested in. The traffic
is currently of an appreciably large volume, and will only increase, thus
warranting a split into clear subject areas.
It is proposed to make the comp.sys.acorn newsgroups better defined in
terms of subject areas covered, renaming the main comp.sys.acorn group
to comp.sys.acorn.misc and deleting the comp.sys.acorn.tech group.
This should encourage the poster to consider which newsgroup to post to
rather than just posting to comp.sys.acorn - a policy which many of the
comp.sys.* newsgroups have followed.
To this end, the final configuration after reorganisation would be:
comp.sys.acorn.programmer
comp.sys.acorn.hardware
comp.sys.acorn.apps
comp.sys.acorn.networking
comp.sys.acorn.misc
comp.sys.acorn.announce
comp.sys.acorn.games
comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
(No change to comp.binaries.acorn and comp.sources.acorn - which are not
affected by this proposal)
The proposal has already been discussed in comp.sys.acorn at length and
there appears to be widespread support, it is now being made formal.
Charters
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comp.sys.acorn.programmer - For discussions of Acorn related programming
matters. This includes Acorn specific C, BASIC, Assembler (6502 or ARM)
Generic ARM code should be discussed in comp.sys.arm if the vote on this
group passes, otherwise in this newsgroup.
comp.sys.acorn.hardware - For discussions of hardware on Acorn machines
from both technical and user viewpoints
comp.sys.acorn.apps - For discussions of software packages and applications
on Acorn machines from a *user* viewpoint. There should be no programming
discussions in this group.
comp.sys.acorn.networking - For discussions of networking on Acorn machines,
this includes modems, tcp/ip software, WWW browsers, ethernet cards and
other comms hardware and software.
comp.sys.acorn.misc - For discussions which do not fit into any of the
above categories.
This RFD is being issued in accordance with the guidelines set forth in
the "How to create a new USENET newsgroup" FAQ posted regularly to
news.announce.newgroups. Please refer to this article if you have any
questions relating to the newsgroup creation process.
Unless the discussion indicates a need to resubmit a new RFD, the CFV
(Call for Votes), will be posted to news.announce.newgroups and
comp.sys.acorn.announce as soon as practical after January 4th 1995.
Jay Maynard
rename unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.apps
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.hardware
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.networking
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.programmer
remove unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.tech
Newsgroups lines:
comp.sys.acorn.misc Acorn computing in general
comp.sys.acorn.apps Acorn software applications
comp.sys.acorn.hardware Acorn hardware
comp.sys.acorn.networking Networking of Acorn computers
comp.sys.acorn.programmer Programming of Acorn computers
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 February 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at
jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about the
proposed groups, contact the proponent, Andy Mell <am...@cup.cam.ac.uk>.
CHARTERS
comp.sys.acorn.programmer - For discussions of Acorn related programming
matters. This includes Acorn specific C, BASIC, Assembler (6502 or ARM)
Generic ARM code should be discussed in comp.sys.arm.
comp.sys.acorn.hardware - For discussions of hardware on Acorn machines
from both technical and user viewpoints
comp.sys.acorn.apps - For discussions of software packages and applications
on Acorn machines from a *user* viewpoint. There should be no programming
discussions in this group.
comp.sys.acorn.networking - For discussions of networking on Acorn machines,
this includes modems, tcp/ip software, WWW browsers, ethernet cards and
other comms hardware and software.
comp.sys.acorn.misc - For discussions which do not fit into any of the
above categories. Please try to put your post in the correct group,
before you resort to posting here.
HOW TO VOTE
Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these
lines and do not change the group names.
Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
inserts.
Then mail the ballot to: vo...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
comp.sys.acorn reorganization Ballot <CSAR-0001> (Don't remove this marker)
Give your real name here:
[Your Vote] Group
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.misc
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.apps
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.hardware
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.programmer
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.tech
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"Yakko, is our use of falling anvils going to be a bit excessive?" "Yep."
"OK." -- Dot Warner
Jay Maynard
rename unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.apps
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.hardware
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.networking
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.programmer
remove unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.tech
Newsgroups lines:
comp.sys.acorn.misc Acorn computing in general
comp.sys.acorn.apps Acorn software applications
comp.sys.acorn.hardware Acorn hardware
comp.sys.acorn.networking Networking of Acorn computers
comp.sys.acorn.programmer Programming of Acorn computers
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 February 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at
jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about the
proposed groups, contact the proponent, Andy Mell <am...@cup.cam.ac.uk>.
This is a replacement for the original Call for Votes. After discussion
with Dave Lawrence, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups, the
original ballot is being thrown out and replaced with this one. If you
have already voted, or vote again from the original ballot, you will
receive a message by electronic mail advising you of this fact. Please
vote again, using the ballot contained in this message. I apologize for
the confusion and any inconvenience it may cause.
CHARTERS
comp.sys.acorn.programmer - For discussions of Acorn related programming
matters. This includes Acorn specific C, BASIC, Assembler (6502 or ARM)
Generic ARM code should be discussed in comp.sys.arm.
comp.sys.acorn.hardware - For discussions of hardware on Acorn machines
from both technical and user viewpoints
comp.sys.acorn.apps - For discussions of software packages and applications
on Acorn machines from a *user* viewpoint. There should be no programming
discussions in this group.
comp.sys.acorn.networking - For discussions of networking on Acorn machines,
this includes modems, tcp/ip software, WWW browsers, ethernet cards and
other comms hardware and software.
comp.sys.acorn.misc - For discussions which do not fit into any of the
above categories. Please try to put your post in the correct group,
before you resort to posting here.
HOW TO VOTE
Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these
lines and do not change the group names.
Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
inserts.
Then mail the ballot to: vo...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
comp.sys.acorn reorganization Ballot <CSA2-0001> (Don't remove this marker)
Give your real name here:
[Your Vote] Group
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[ ] rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.apps
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.hardware
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.programmer
[ ] remove comp.sys.acorn.tech
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.networking
Jay Maynard
CHARTERS
HOW TO VOTE
comp.sys.acorn reorganization Ballot <CSA2-0002> (Don't remove this marker)
Give your real name here:
[Your Vote] Group
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[ ] rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.apps
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.hardware
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.programmer
[ ] remove comp.sys.acorn.tech
[ ] comp.sys.acorn.networking
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
comp.sys.acorn reorganization Bounce List - No need to revote
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A.Ter...@roe.ac.uk Ale Terlevich
D.M....@qmw.ac.uk David Pick
ee9...@brunel.ac.uk Robert James Munro
j...@camulos.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Jim Noble
pcy...@ccn1.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Alex M Aitken
pw...@paul.acorn.co.uk Paul "S." Wain
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"Beans, beans, the musical fruit. The more you eat, the more they kick you
off the air if you finish this poem." -- Dot Warner, "Ode to a Veggie"
Jay Maynard
rename unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.apps
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.hardware
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.networking
unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.programmer
remove unmoderated group comp.sys.acorn.tech
comp.sys.acorn reorganization results - 356 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
318 29 : Yes Yes : Yes : rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
322 26 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.sys.acorn.apps
328 24 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.sys.acorn.hardware
326 26 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.sys.acorn.programmer
311 36 : Yes Yes : Yes : remove comp.sys.acorn.tech
316 26 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.sys.acorn.networking
Newsgroups lines:
comp.sys.acorn.misc Acorn computing in general
comp.sys.acorn.apps Acorn software applications
comp.sys.acorn.hardware Acorn hardware
comp.sys.acorn.networking Networking of Acorn computers
comp.sys.acorn.programmer Programming of Acorn computers
Voting closed 23:59:59 UTC, 22 February 1995.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at
jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about the
proposed groups, contact the proponent, Andy Mell <am...@cup.cam.ac.uk>.
CHARTERS
comp.sys.acorn.programmer - For discussions of Acorn related programming
matters. This includes Acorn specific C, BASIC, Assembler (6502 or ARM)
Generic ARM code should be discussed in comp.sys.arm.
comp.sys.acorn.hardware - For discussions of hardware on Acorn machines
from both technical and user viewpoints
comp.sys.acorn.apps - For discussions of software packages and applications
on Acorn machines from a *user* viewpoint. There should be no programming
discussions in this group.
comp.sys.acorn.networking - For discussions of networking on Acorn machines,
this includes modems, tcp/ip software, WWW browsers, ethernet cards and
other comms hardware and software.
comp.sys.acorn.misc - For discussions which do not fit into any of the
above categories. Please try to put your post in the correct group,
before you resort to posting here.
comp.sys.acorn reorganization Final Vote Ack
comp.sys.acorn.networking --------+
comp.sys.acorn.tech -------+|
comp.sys.acorn.programmer ------+||
comp.sys.acorn.hardware -----+|||
comp.sys.acorn.apps ----+||||
comp.sys.acorn.misc ---+|||||
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